@futurelawyerhopefully I would abstract the ideas of this lesson into the way the test messes with specific wording to trick you. The point is just to always pay attention to the specific wording of every question, because the test exploits the fact that in everyday life, we conflate the meanings of words that are technically distinct (like many and most) in our colloquial speech, whereas the LSAT (and infamously, lawyers) will parse out the tiny differences in specific wording to screw you over.
Can we make the case that the lower bound for many, though unclear, must be at least greater than one (as opposed to some's "at least one"), since a single quantity of something cannot be "many"?
You could think of "many" as being equivalent to "some." Let me be clear: this is false. We already established that "many" has a higher minimum threshold than "some." But, it's a useful falsehood because I've never seen the LSAT penalize this conflation.
If the lower bound of "some" is just at least 1, and the lower bound of "many" is higher than "some," can we just say that the lower bound of "many" is 2?
@krzhou_1 The difference between many and some is that it makes an existence claim, not a percentage claim unlike the difference between many vs. most. If X is many, that means that X exists (at least one of X exists)= X is some
Think of It like this: Many can be many while still being below the threshold of most which is more than half. Many can not definitively mean most. However, Most means many because more than half is certainly many. The main difference is that many does not need to be half or more than half. Most relies on proportion while many does not.
Something that helps me with these new quantifiers, and may click as well for those who have written literature reviews, is the distinction between "most", "many", and "some" when referencing scholarly opinions. I try to reserve "most" for when I'm describing a viewpoint that is widely accepted by the majority of scholars. For instance, when I say "many/some scholars argue that", I'm implying that a number of scholars hold a particular view, but not necessarily the majority. On the other hand, when I say "most scholars argue that", I'm suggesting that the majority of scholars agree on that point.
“Many scholars argue that 7sage should incorporate videos to help illustrate difficult concepts and enhance the learning experience. Some scholars, however, defend 7sage's current approach, suggesting that they are doing their best with the resources available. Nevertheless, most agree that, given the premium they pay for the service, they should have access to high-quality visual content that meets their expectations.”
Hi all, I made another flashcard set. This time for memorizing Quantifiers. Flashcards are what really helped me in undergrad and so I decided to make them to companion my 7sage studies. Thought I'd share to help others who would benefit :) made a folder that I will most likely add more sets to as I go. Much Love and happy studying! https://quizlet.com/user/ehoffmanwallace/folders/lsat-7sage-flashcards
"some birds migrate south." All that we can logically conclude from that statement is that at least 1 bird migrates south. If we say: "many birds migrate south." Then we can logically conclude that more than 1 bird migrates south. Essentially, on the LSAT you will only want to conclude the least amount of information possible. Dont try to figure out if all birds migrate south or if most birds migrate south because the only information that is gauranteed is what is stated in the sentence.
This might be a silly question, but "several" was listed as a quantifier that indicates an intersectional relationship a few lessons ago but I don't see a lesson dedicated to it... Does anyone know if we should think of it as the same as "many"? And in that case, would it be considered equivalent to "some" as well?
Does not matter specifically how much many is. All that is important to know is that many is more than some. Some can be at least 1 so just think about many being a bit more than that. BUT DON'T THINK MANY = MOST. WE DON'T KNOW IF MANY IS MOST. What we do know is that many is more than some
Here is what I am finding a good way to see it for those of you who are unclear:
If i said many students cheated on the test that could only mean 6/20 students which is still a lot in proportion of students who would cheat on any given test. On the contrary if I said most students cheated on the test then that must mean 11/20 cheated
how is "some cats like to drink milk" okay for "one cat likes to drink milk"?? the statement defines and establishes a plural "some cats" like to drink milk...... so does that not mean at least more than one has to like drinking milk?
@CarlosHernandez03 Yeah, careful. Many is not less than Most, because again, many is talking about numbers while most is talking about percentages. Numerically, many can cover most just like some can cover most and all. But proportionally (%) is where the distinction happens. So just gotta be careful not to confuse numbers for percentages.
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@andreabear LOL
@andreabear BRUH lol
I’m starting to think that law is just all made up
Is this even relevant im getting a headache
@futurelawyerhopefully I would abstract the ideas of this lesson into the way the test messes with specific wording to trick you. The point is just to always pay attention to the specific wording of every question, because the test exploits the fact that in everyday life, we conflate the meanings of words that are technically distinct (like many and most) in our colloquial speech, whereas the LSAT (and infamously, lawyers) will parse out the tiny differences in specific wording to screw you over.
@mhenwohl Well said. One word can make or break an answer choice. Be very sensitive to quantifier, indicator, and pivot words.
When the video said "you could just think of 'many' as equivalent to 'some'", I almost crashed out.
@ThisClose2CrashingOut it's in order to avoid the association between many and most
Many is not the same as most, as most is higher. However many is the same as some. But some can mean all.
Bruh.
@gabahahaha
think of "some" and "many" as just a quantity of something
think of "most" as a proportion of something
think of "some" and "many" as the same under the world of LSAT (since the test will not trick you in the difference between "many" and "some")
bird law in this country is not governed by reason (iykyk)
Can we make the case that the lower bound for many, though unclear, must be at least greater than one (as opposed to some's "at least one"), since a single quantity of something cannot be "many"?
@caelesalad That's what I was thinking too
@caelesalad
It says:
"Many" = "Some"
You could think of "many" as being equivalent to "some." Let me be clear: this is false. We already established that "many" has a higher minimum threshold than "some." But, it's a useful falsehood because I've never seen the LSAT penalize this conflation.
@caelesalad
"The lower bound of "many" is higher than that for "some."
If the lower bound of "some" is just at least 1, and the lower bound of "many" is higher than "some," can we just say that the lower bound of "many" is 2?
@krzhou_1 I second this question #help
@krzhou_1 The difference between many and some is that it makes an existence claim, not a percentage claim unlike the difference between many vs. most. If X is many, that means that X exists (at least one of X exists)= X is some
makes sense, thank you
Think of It like this: Many can be many while still being below the threshold of most which is more than half. Many can not definitively mean most. However, Most means many because more than half is certainly many. The main difference is that many does not need to be half or more than half. Most relies on proportion while many does not.
MOST means 50% - 100% (majority or could be all)
based on that logic...
MANY could mean 25% - 50% ? < more than "few" , less than "most"?
Context remains king on LSAT questions.
Most is 51 to 100%
Something that helps me with these new quantifiers, and may click as well for those who have written literature reviews, is the distinction between "most", "many", and "some" when referencing scholarly opinions. I try to reserve "most" for when I'm describing a viewpoint that is widely accepted by the majority of scholars. For instance, when I say "many/some scholars argue that", I'm implying that a number of scholars hold a particular view, but not necessarily the majority. On the other hand, when I say "most scholars argue that", I'm suggesting that the majority of scholars agree on that point.
“Many scholars argue that 7sage should incorporate videos to help illustrate difficult concepts and enhance the learning experience. Some scholars, however, defend 7sage's current approach, suggesting that they are doing their best with the resources available. Nevertheless, most agree that, given the premium they pay for the service, they should have access to high-quality visual content that meets their expectations.”
Hi all, I made another flashcard set. This time for memorizing Quantifiers. Flashcards are what really helped me in undergrad and so I decided to make them to companion my 7sage studies. Thought I'd share to help others who would benefit :) made a folder that I will most likely add more sets to as I go. Much Love and happy studying! https://quizlet.com/user/ehoffmanwallace/folders/lsat-7sage-flashcards
"some birds migrate south." All that we can logically conclude from that statement is that at least 1 bird migrates south. If we say: "many birds migrate south." Then we can logically conclude that more than 1 bird migrates south. Essentially, on the LSAT you will only want to conclude the least amount of information possible. Dont try to figure out if all birds migrate south or if most birds migrate south because the only information that is gauranteed is what is stated in the sentence.
This might be a silly question, but "several" was listed as a quantifier that indicates an intersectional relationship a few lessons ago but I don't see a lesson dedicated to it... Does anyone know if we should think of it as the same as "many"? And in that case, would it be considered equivalent to "some" as well?
Several is equivalent to Some.
Several X are Y = Some X are Y
Several in LSAT means at least 2, but not necessarily many.
Some means at least 1 but usually at least 2 lol
since several guarantees at least 2, and some guarantees at least 1,
so, we can safely say :
Several X are Y = Some X are Y
Correct me if I am wrong.
Does not matter specifically how much many is. All that is important to know is that many is more than some. Some can be at least 1 so just think about many being a bit more than that. BUT DON'T THINK MANY = MOST. WE DON'T KNOW IF MANY IS MOST. What we do know is that many is more than some
Here is what I am finding a good way to see it for those of you who are unclear:
If i said many students cheated on the test that could only mean 6/20 students which is still a lot in proportion of students who would cheat on any given test. On the contrary if I said most students cheated on the test then that must mean 11/20 cheated
how is "some cats like to drink milk" okay for "one cat likes to drink milk"?? the statement defines and establishes a plural "some cats" like to drink milk...... so does that not mean at least more than one has to like drinking milk?
#help
Can we conclude it to Some < Many < Most?
Thank you!
My assumption is no, because "some" and "most" are qualitative of a set (%) and "many" is quantitative (#).
For example
"Many people eat bread."
"Many" could be 1 million people eating bread, but that could be 2% of a total group (50 million people total)
Whereas in "some people eat bread," the "some" could be 95% of 50 million people (47,500,000 people)
Further, in this case, "most" could be, say, 51% of 50 million people eating bread (25500000).
In these hypothetical cases, then:
1,000,000 (many) < 25500000 (most) < 47500000 (some)
Equating "some" to "many" is just a more accurate comparison than the word "most" because its limit is less defined when using lawgic.
I think I could be totally off the mark, but that's how I've compartmentalized it so far.
So the lower bound of many is greater than some, but the upper bound of many could be the same as some.
That is correct.
There's only ~50 billion birds on planet earth
Like 50 birds fly south each winter (50 is a lot of birds!)
At least half of all birds in the world fly south each winter (that's a lot more than 50!)
can we equate "overwhelming majority" to "most"?
@KhushyMandania no, however, an overwhelming majority of X includes most of X, but the same cannot be said vice versa.
I understand many to be more than some and less than most. maybe this helps idk tho lol
@CarlosHernandez03 Yeah, careful. Many is not less than Most, because again, many is talking about numbers while most is talking about percentages. Numerically, many can cover most just like some can cover most and all. But proportionally (%) is where the distinction happens. So just gotta be careful not to confuse numbers for percentages.
Is it correct to understand that the upper bound for some, many, and most can all be the same?
@elchapin I believe it all depends on context
@elchapin They can implicitly or explicitly include or exclude all
So can many include all?