@futurelawyerhopefully I would abstract the ideas of this lesson into the way the test messes with specific wording to trick you. The point is just to always pay attention to the specific wording of every question, because the test exploits the fact that in everyday life, we conflate the meanings of words that are technically distinct (like many and most) in our colloquial speech, whereas the LSAT (and infamously, lawyers) will parse out the tiny differences in specific wording to screw you over.
Can we make the case that the lower bound for many, though unclear, must be at least greater than one (as opposed to some's "at least one"), since a single quantity of something cannot be "many"?
You could think of "many" as being equivalent to "some." Let me be clear: this is false. We already established that "many" has a higher minimum threshold than "some." But, it's a useful falsehood because I've never seen the LSAT penalize this conflation.
If the lower bound of "some" is just at least 1, and the lower bound of "many" is higher than "some," can we just say that the lower bound of "many" is 2?
@krzhou_1 The difference between many and some is that it makes an existence claim, not a percentage claim unlike the difference between many vs. most. If X is many, that means that X exists (at least one of X exists)= X is some
Think of It like this: Many can be many while still being below the threshold of most which is more than half. Many can not definitively mean most. However, Most means many because more than half is certainly many. The main difference is that many does not need to be half or more than half. Most relies on proportion while many does not.
Something that helps me with these new quantifiers, and may click as well for those who have written literature reviews, is the distinction between "most", "many", and "some" when referencing scholarly opinions. I try to reserve "most" for when I'm describing a viewpoint that is widely accepted by the majority of scholars. For instance, when I say "many/some scholars argue that", I'm implying that a number of scholars hold a particular view, but not necessarily the majority. On the other hand, when I say "most scholars argue that", I'm suggesting that the majority of scholars agree on that point.
“Many scholars argue that 7sage should incorporate videos to help illustrate difficult concepts and enhance the learning experience. Some scholars, however, defend 7sage's current approach, suggesting that they are doing their best with the resources available. Nevertheless, most agree that, given the premium they pay for the service, they should have access to high-quality visual content that meets their expectations.”
Hi all, I made another flashcard set. This time for memorizing Quantifiers. Flashcards are what really helped me in undergrad and so I decided to make them to companion my 7sage studies. Thought I'd share to help others who would benefit :) made a folder that I will most likely add more sets to as I go. Much Love and happy studying! https://quizlet.com/user/ehoffmanwallace/folders/lsat-7sage-flashcards
"some birds migrate south." All that we can logically conclude from that statement is that at least 1 bird migrates south. If we say: "many birds migrate south." Then we can logically conclude that more than 1 bird migrates south. Essentially, on the LSAT you will only want to conclude the least amount of information possible. Dont try to figure out if all birds migrate south or if most birds migrate south because the only information that is gauranteed is what is stated in the sentence.
This might be a silly question, but "several" was listed as a quantifier that indicates an intersectional relationship a few lessons ago but I don't see a lesson dedicated to it... Does anyone know if we should think of it as the same as "many"? And in that case, would it be considered equivalent to "some" as well?
To make it easier. Understand that "Many" and "Some" represent the same concept but have different minimum thresholds.
For instance, "Some" must have at least one, and "Many" must be a reasonable amount above some or a reasonable amount higher than AT LEAST one.
I say this because of context. Let's first start with the minimum threshold
If I say, "Wow, I have caught some bad guys with my webs across the world," it means I caught at least one, but not enough to say I've caught hundreds.
If I say, "Wow, I have caught many bad guys with my webs across the world," that has to be at least higher than 1, 2, 3, etc.; a reasonable amount would be, like, 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? that's a lot objectively, but it doesn't mean I've caught all. Let's say all I've caught is 1% of all the world's bad guys, but if 1% is 100,000,000, that's many.
Now, we see that they have different starting points ("Many" has to start higher than just one), but depending on the context could mean 2 or 3. Think about if I said, "That one time Tony Stark threw a whole pizza box at me, I caught many slices." Objectively, that could be what 2, 3, 4, 5? I'm not sure how many are in the pizza box, but 2 or 3 could be many.
Now, note that neither of them assumes without context that all is done. By my statements, I can't tell you that I've caught all the bad guys in the world or pizza slices from Tony Stark (R.I.P). What I can do is state that some = at least one, and many means at least more than some (DOESN'T MEAN 51% many can start below 51%, could start at 1%, like how the example of me catching 100,000,000 criminals is only 1%, which isn't a majority of criminals, but it is many that are locked up in damage control).
Hope that helps!
I'm not going into the caveat that was mentioned in the lesson because, as lawyers who will be handling law without webs, you have to know the rules!
Does not matter specifically how much many is. All that is important to know is that many is more than some. Some can be at least 1 so just think about many being a bit more than that. BUT DON'T THINK MANY = MOST. WE DON'T KNOW IF MANY IS MOST. What we do know is that many is more than some
Here is what I am finding a good way to see it for those of you who are unclear:
If i said many students cheated on the test that could only mean 6/20 students which is still a lot in proportion of students who would cheat on any given test. On the contrary if I said most students cheated on the test then that must mean 11/20 cheated
how is "some cats like to drink milk" okay for "one cat likes to drink milk"?? the statement defines and establishes a plural "some cats" like to drink milk...... so does that not mean at least more than one has to like drinking milk?
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@andreabear LOL
@andreabear BRUH lol
I’m starting to think that law is just all made up
Literally.
When the video said "you could just think of 'many' as equivalent to 'some'", I almost crashed out.
@ThisClose2CrashingOut it's in order to avoid the association between many and most
Many is not the same as most, as most is higher. However many is the same as some. But some can mean all.
Bruh.
@gabahahaha
think of "some" and "many" as just a quantity of something
think of "most" as a proportion of something
think of "some" and "many" as the same under the world of LSAT (since the test will not trick you in the difference between "many" and "some")
Is this even relevant im getting a headache
@futurelawyerhopefully I would abstract the ideas of this lesson into the way the test messes with specific wording to trick you. The point is just to always pay attention to the specific wording of every question, because the test exploits the fact that in everyday life, we conflate the meanings of words that are technically distinct (like many and most) in our colloquial speech, whereas the LSAT (and infamously, lawyers) will parse out the tiny differences in specific wording to screw you over.
@mhenwohl Well said. One word can make or break an answer choice. Be very sensitive to quantifier, indicator, and pivot words.
bird law in this country is not governed by reason (iykyk)
Can we make the case that the lower bound for many, though unclear, must be at least greater than one (as opposed to some's "at least one"), since a single quantity of something cannot be "many"?
@caelesalad That's what I was thinking too
@caelesalad
It says:
"Many" = "Some"
You could think of "many" as being equivalent to "some." Let me be clear: this is false. We already established that "many" has a higher minimum threshold than "some." But, it's a useful falsehood because I've never seen the LSAT penalize this conflation.
@caelesalad
"The lower bound of "many" is higher than that for "some."
makes sense, thank you
If the lower bound of "some" is just at least 1, and the lower bound of "many" is higher than "some," can we just say that the lower bound of "many" is 2?
@krzhou_1 I second this question #help
@krzhou_1 The difference between many and some is that it makes an existence claim, not a percentage claim unlike the difference between many vs. most. If X is many, that means that X exists (at least one of X exists)= X is some
Think of It like this: Many can be many while still being below the threshold of most which is more than half. Many can not definitively mean most. However, Most means many because more than half is certainly many. The main difference is that many does not need to be half or more than half. Most relies on proportion while many does not.
MOST means 50% - 100% (majority or could be all)
based on that logic...
MANY could mean 25% - 50% ? < more than "few" , less than "most"?
Context remains king on LSAT questions.
Most is 51 to 100%
Something that helps me with these new quantifiers, and may click as well for those who have written literature reviews, is the distinction between "most", "many", and "some" when referencing scholarly opinions. I try to reserve "most" for when I'm describing a viewpoint that is widely accepted by the majority of scholars. For instance, when I say "many/some scholars argue that", I'm implying that a number of scholars hold a particular view, but not necessarily the majority. On the other hand, when I say "most scholars argue that", I'm suggesting that the majority of scholars agree on that point.
“Many scholars argue that 7sage should incorporate videos to help illustrate difficult concepts and enhance the learning experience. Some scholars, however, defend 7sage's current approach, suggesting that they are doing their best with the resources available. Nevertheless, most agree that, given the premium they pay for the service, they should have access to high-quality visual content that meets their expectations.”
Hi all, I made another flashcard set. This time for memorizing Quantifiers. Flashcards are what really helped me in undergrad and so I decided to make them to companion my 7sage studies. Thought I'd share to help others who would benefit :) made a folder that I will most likely add more sets to as I go. Much Love and happy studying! https://quizlet.com/user/ehoffmanwallace/folders/lsat-7sage-flashcards
"some birds migrate south." All that we can logically conclude from that statement is that at least 1 bird migrates south. If we say: "many birds migrate south." Then we can logically conclude that more than 1 bird migrates south. Essentially, on the LSAT you will only want to conclude the least amount of information possible. Dont try to figure out if all birds migrate south or if most birds migrate south because the only information that is gauranteed is what is stated in the sentence.
This might be a silly question, but "several" was listed as a quantifier that indicates an intersectional relationship a few lessons ago but I don't see a lesson dedicated to it... Does anyone know if we should think of it as the same as "many"? And in that case, would it be considered equivalent to "some" as well?
Several is equivalent to Some.
Several X are Y = Some X are Y
Several in LSAT means at least 2, but not necessarily many.
Some means at least 1 but usually at least 2 lol
since several guarantees at least 2, and some guarantees at least 1,
so, we can safely say :
Several X are Y = Some X are Y
Correct me if I am wrong.
To make it easier. Understand that "Many" and "Some" represent the same concept but have different minimum thresholds.
For instance, "Some" must have at least one, and "Many" must be a reasonable amount above some or a reasonable amount higher than AT LEAST one.
I say this because of context. Let's first start with the minimum threshold
If I say, "Wow, I have caught some bad guys with my webs across the world," it means I caught at least one, but not enough to say I've caught hundreds.
If I say, "Wow, I have caught many bad guys with my webs across the world," that has to be at least higher than 1, 2, 3, etc.; a reasonable amount would be, like, 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? that's a lot objectively, but it doesn't mean I've caught all. Let's say all I've caught is 1% of all the world's bad guys, but if 1% is 100,000,000, that's many.
Now, we see that they have different starting points ("Many" has to start higher than just one), but depending on the context could mean 2 or 3. Think about if I said, "That one time Tony Stark threw a whole pizza box at me, I caught many slices." Objectively, that could be what 2, 3, 4, 5? I'm not sure how many are in the pizza box, but 2 or 3 could be many.
Now, note that neither of them assumes without context that all is done. By my statements, I can't tell you that I've caught all the bad guys in the world or pizza slices from Tony Stark (R.I.P). What I can do is state that some = at least one, and many means at least more than some (DOESN'T MEAN 51% many can start below 51%, could start at 1%, like how the example of me catching 100,000,000 criminals is only 1%, which isn't a majority of criminals, but it is many that are locked up in damage control).
Hope that helps!
I'm not going into the caveat that was mentioned in the lesson because, as lawyers who will be handling law without webs, you have to know the rules!
Also, screw A.I. this is all off the dome ;)
Does not matter specifically how much many is. All that is important to know is that many is more than some. Some can be at least 1 so just think about many being a bit more than that. BUT DON'T THINK MANY = MOST. WE DON'T KNOW IF MANY IS MOST. What we do know is that many is more than some
Here is what I am finding a good way to see it for those of you who are unclear:
If i said many students cheated on the test that could only mean 6/20 students which is still a lot in proportion of students who would cheat on any given test. On the contrary if I said most students cheated on the test then that must mean 11/20 cheated
how is "some cats like to drink milk" okay for "one cat likes to drink milk"?? the statement defines and establishes a plural "some cats" like to drink milk...... so does that not mean at least more than one has to like drinking milk?
#help
Can we conclude it to Some < Many < Most?
Thank you!
My assumption is no, because "some" and "most" are qualitative of a set (%) and "many" is quantitative (#).
For example
"Many people eat bread."
"Many" could be 1 million people eating bread, but that could be 2% of a total group (50 million people total)
Whereas in "some people eat bread," the "some" could be 95% of 50 million people (47,500,000 people)
Further, in this case, "most" could be, say, 51% of 50 million people eating bread (25500000).
In these hypothetical cases, then:
1,000,000 (many) < 25500000 (most) < 47500000 (some)
Equating "some" to "many" is just a more accurate comparison than the word "most" because its limit is less defined when using lawgic.
I think I could be totally off the mark, but that's how I've compartmentalized it so far.
So the lower bound of many is greater than some, but the upper bound of many could be the same as some.
That is correct.
There's only ~50 billion birds on planet earth
I am thinking of many as “a lot of” something and most as “almost all of” something. Hopefully that will work on the test.
as i write in my notes that many means more than some, i have to follow it up and say but count both as equal.
If you're getting a headache, basically:
Many = Some+
Overwhelming = Most+
*Not worth it = Soundcloud+