got it right on BR…the answer was so obviously right and I can only blame getting it wrong the first time on literally not reading the choice and just skimming through it
I picked D first and got it wrong (right on BR) but its funny because I immediately recognized why. It doesn't include VOTERS SPECIFICALLY in the answer which the correct one does. I wonder how many wrong answers I get are solely due to rushing and how many are knowledge failings. I'm really burning through these with amazing results so something must be working, in any case
I have genuinely got like the last 9 out of 10 questions that 7sage cirriculum has provided correct and im loving it, I feel a lot better and more comfortabe with LR now and it has only been about 2 weeks
@ShanR I think the rule for this type of stimulus is that they will often be implicit. LSAT writers are likely to throw in exceptions to every rule to ensure that test takers are paying attention and understanding the underlying logic rather than applying rules and hammering them in.
@Chanda.m I totally agree, it seems like a better structure to answering these question types is identifying the main point in both speakers opinion and seeing how they contrast.
I have a random thought...so that means if one of the answer choices goes in favor of one the stimulus and against of another it is correct? Then, if the answer choices do not offer any context related to one of the stimulus it is incorrect?
Ping's analysis of answer choice A makes a common scoping error. He see's an argument about elections and thinks 'presidential elections'. The domain of the argument is all elections, precisely including those without debates, and likely many where debates might occur but be sparsely attended and not well covered. Across that domain, it is certainly not self-evident that skill in something that doesn't even occur (or occurs in front of only a handful of people) would make one more likely to win an election. It's correct that it's not the point of disagreement, of course, as neither passage discusses the likelihood of winning. They just discuss the utility of the debate, if it happens, for the people that watch it. This is not a nitpicking comment. It's here to remind people to watch out for this common error. Don't assume an argument about a given topic (here, political elections) is scoped to the most salient example of that topic in your memory (US presidential elections).
Yo can someone lmk how to use the pen on the screen? I mean I'll probably figure it out but assuming I can't because I'm big dumb can someone help me. Plz ;-;
@JackFoley There isn't a way to do it through the program since they want it to be closer to the real LSAT but there are extensions on the chrome store that let you annotate on your screen!
If I go hunting for the answer and find the AC I will choose, is it still worth reading the other ACs under timed pressure? I got this question right but still read the other ACs to be sure even though I was 99.9% certain my answer was correct.
@ARo I don't think it's worth it if you're 100% confident in your answer. The other answers will just slow you down and can shake your confidence. If you go hunting, grab your prey when you can.
One thing I noticed: the stimulus is framed as a causal relationship between two relatas. Knowing that allowed me to eliminate choices that indicates a correlational rather than a causal relationship between two.
13 secs off is great! Just keep drilling, analyzing in blind review, and reviewing the foundations and you will start to see patterns that allow you to get 10 or 20 secs off your time.
Got it incorrect trying to hurry and reach the suggested time. But when I went back for blind review, I got it correct. More suggestive that I understand how to get to the right answer, I just take too long. Because of course.
@tswalker83 Reading the question stem first is really the key for these I think, in terms of time. By the time you're done reading the first author, you should likely be able to infer what the second author will disagree with, allowing you to read the second author with the focus of understanding the specific point theyre disagreeing with. When you finish the second author, you should be able to put in your own words what they disagree with and then just hunt for the answer that matches.
Will the right answer always explicitly include the same subject in both statements? For example, "voters" was mentioned by both Tanner and Saldana giving us a nice indicator here.
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got it right on BR…the answer was so obviously right and I can only blame getting it wrong the first time on literally not reading the choice and just skimming through it
I picked D first and got it wrong (right on BR) but its funny because I immediately recognized why. It doesn't include VOTERS SPECIFICALLY in the answer which the correct one does. I wonder how many wrong answers I get are solely due to rushing and how many are knowledge failings. I'm really burning through these with amazing results so something must be working, in any case
I'm getting these QUICK. I'm loving the consistency with my understanding.
I have genuinely got like the last 9 out of 10 questions that 7sage cirriculum has provided correct and im loving it, I feel a lot better and more comfortabe with LR now and it has only been about 2 weeks
A little confused, since this question was supposed to give an implicit answer? ("most support") The actual answer felt pretty explicit.
@ShanR I think the rule for this type of stimulus is that they will often be implicit. LSAT writers are likely to throw in exceptions to every rule to ensure that test takers are paying attention and understanding the underlying logic rather than applying rules and hammering them in.
it took me a lot longer than i wanted since i second-guessed myself but my intuition was right. yay!
Main conclusion and Main point questions are a god send here!
I AM FINALLY SCOPING OUT THE CORRECT ANSWER UNDER TIME.. Granted these are easier but FINALLY
Main conclusion lessons are really coming in clutch rn.
@Chanda.m I totally agree, it seems like a better structure to answering these question types is identifying the main point in both speakers opinion and seeing how they contrast.
4/4 lets gooo I needed this
LETS GO!!!! ANOTHER W
I have a random thought...so that means if one of the answer choices goes in favor of one the stimulus and against of another it is correct? Then, if the answer choices do not offer any context related to one of the stimulus it is incorrect?
@EdithM
I was thinking this too, but am too scared to test that 😅. I'd rather just read both to be safe.
Ping's analysis of answer choice A makes a common scoping error. He see's an argument about elections and thinks 'presidential elections'. The domain of the argument is all elections, precisely including those without debates, and likely many where debates might occur but be sparsely attended and not well covered. Across that domain, it is certainly not self-evident that skill in something that doesn't even occur (or occurs in front of only a handful of people) would make one more likely to win an election. It's correct that it's not the point of disagreement, of course, as neither passage discusses the likelihood of winning. They just discuss the utility of the debate, if it happens, for the people that watch it. This is not a nitpicking comment. It's here to remind people to watch out for this common error. Don't assume an argument about a given topic (here, political elections) is scoped to the most salient example of that topic in your memory (US presidential elections).
I've noticed that I am stronger in answering these questions and MC questions compared to MSS questions. Lol I need to go over MSS questions more
@aidamaeee04 Same!
@jrm98 I'm glad I'm not alone on this!
@aidamaeee04 we are in the same boat.
42 seconds babyyy
Yo can someone lmk how to use the pen on the screen? I mean I'll probably figure it out but assuming I can't because I'm big dumb can someone help me. Plz ;-;
@JackFoley you can't
@JackFoley There isn't a way to do it through the program since they want it to be closer to the real LSAT but there are extensions on the chrome store that let you annotate on your screen!
If I go hunting for the answer and find the AC I will choose, is it still worth reading the other ACs under timed pressure? I got this question right but still read the other ACs to be sure even though I was 99.9% certain my answer was correct.
@ARo I don't think it's worth it if you're 100% confident in your answer. The other answers will just slow you down and can shake your confidence. If you go hunting, grab your prey when you can.
second-guessing and switching to an incorrect answer in BR pains my soul
One thing I noticed: the stimulus is framed as a causal relationship between two relatas. Knowing that allowed me to eliminate choices that indicates a correlational rather than a causal relationship between two.
Love these questions. I've realized this question type is my strength, along with MSS.
Same, although I'm doing better on these questions than on the MSS ones.
i hate how fast you have to be at responding to these questions i got it right but 13 seconds off urgggg
13 secs off is great! Just keep drilling, analyzing in blind review, and reviewing the foundations and you will start to see patterns that allow you to get 10 or 20 secs off your time.
Thanks Gordy!! :,)
Got it incorrect trying to hurry and reach the suggested time. But when I went back for blind review, I got it correct. More suggestive that I understand how to get to the right answer, I just take too long. Because of course.
@tswalker83 Reading the question stem first is really the key for these I think, in terms of time. By the time you're done reading the first author, you should likely be able to infer what the second author will disagree with, allowing you to read the second author with the focus of understanding the specific point theyre disagreeing with. When you finish the second author, you should be able to put in your own words what they disagree with and then just hunt for the answer that matches.
I got it correct but 12 seconds off ugh
Will the right answer always explicitly include the same subject in both statements? For example, "voters" was mentioned by both Tanner and Saldana giving us a nice indicator here.
I'd say yes (I could be wrong).
My two cents: it's important to identify the subject, premise, and conclusion.
Subject is the most important to identify because you know what the two arguments are talking about.
How can you determine whether something is conditional vs causational. I am sort of getting it but not sure.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/ksqjl1/causation_vs_conditional/