I struggle with the MBF ones I think. But I think it’s easier to do them via POE if I just find the ones that could be true. Because if it could be true, it can’t be always false.
Oops, missed the "reject" part of the question -- definitely will be specifically highlighting that in the question stem moving forward as to not make the same mistake again
God I got this right but for the wrong reasons! I missed the "reject" part and was looking for one that would be accepted by the principle. I immediately eliminated the first four answer choices because they were obviously out of scope, and picked the right answer because I thought it conformed to the principle. Man.
I got confused here because I presumed that it's understood that once a domestic cleaner comes into your home. Your home is automatically a workplace until they leave.
I was dumb and answered D but got E on the blind review. Honestly I have a hard time with MBF questions, my brain equates the right answer with whats true.
I knew the answer was E, but still i was so confused about how to approach this question when going to the answers. but i think i figured it out and maybe it'll help u too.
I basically just went through the answers giving them "true" or "false" labels.
bc this is a MBF question, 4 should be true and 1 must be false.
So, based on the info we learned in the stimulus, labelling true or false on each answer with POE can make it sooo much simpler (at least for me). yay
I was SO CLOSE To picking C then I was like WAIT what does provide the basis of rejecting mean. Sorry had to cheat and googled that it means its a "must be false question". That's the only reason I got that question right. Now I know for the future HOW important it is to read the question stem!
I feel that may statement can vouch for most people that picked answer choice C is due to how the questions was written. The word choice made it confusing for me to choose E over C until there was video explanation of what the question was specifically asking.
Can someone explain to me why it is unreasonable to assume that banning smoking in workplaces offers some protection to people outside of their workplaces? Those people presumably have some protection from secondhand smoke when they visit other people's workplaces, such as grocery stores or restaurants.
I see why E is correct, but I fail to understand why C isn't also correct. Are we living in a hypothetical world where no one is ever a customer or visitor in someone else's workplace?
@JessHyder The difference between C and E is that C merely provides support for the stimulus instead of being rejected by the stimulus like E is (anti-supported).
C is claiming that the law offers no protection from 2nd hand smoke outside the workplace, the passage is simply confirming this idea. Therefore, C wouldn't be rejected by the stimulus because it doesn't fall on the anti-support side of the spectrum, as E does.
@JessHyder We don't know for a fact that there are no other laws in place that may protect people from second hand smoke. We know it IS prohibited in the workplace and is NOT prohibited at home. This opens up doors for there to be laws such as "no smoking allowed in public restrooms" which is not a workplace and is not a home but can be governed.
I find it best to imagine a world where anything and everything can happen!
So I have been struggling with inference questions and I decided to take a day break of studying and I watched a video that kinda helped get my mind straight and think more logically.
Okay so if someone is walking inside and they are soaked head to toe, the first thing you should think of is that "they are not dry" and make no assumptions about them at all. the only facts you have is that they are wet and not dry.
I have no idea if that is going to help anyone but for some reason after struggling with inference questions for 2 weeks, this made it click. I just know I am always looking through these comments trying to find another perspective to make it click. :)
@YazanMoubayed Honestly that was a while ago when I saw it on TikTok. However, everything that I wrote in the comment is exactly what the video said.
Another way to look at the example I stated is that when someone who walks inside who is soaked head to toe. You should not be thinking of reasons to why they are wet, like it's raining, they fell into the pool... you should only think about how they are wet.
So to move into an LSAT version. I think the key is to NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. The only thing you should do is gather information from what you see in the stimulus.
@Eymendkk That's what I thought at first but the answer choice says (to paraphrase)
"the law will protect the house cleaners from secondhand smoke in their workplace"
That can be rejected because the house cleaner is working in someone else's home, and that person (the person who owns the home) is allowed to smoke in their home, thus the law does NOT protect the housecleaners from secondhand smoke.
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mbt and mbf are my shit I love this
Got my first level 4 MBF correct! I got the right answer, and when I did blind review I agreed with my original answer. (+00:49)
I struggle with the MBF ones I think. But I think it’s easier to do them via POE if I just find the ones that could be true. Because if it could be true, it can’t be always false.
i didnt read the question and assumed it was a regular mbt. my mistake
Got my first 4 level difficulty question correct!!
confusing but then i thought it's still a HOME. (crying)
Oops, missed the "reject" part of the question -- definitely will be specifically highlighting that in the question stem moving forward as to not make the same mistake again
God I got this right but for the wrong reasons! I missed the "reject" part and was looking for one that would be accepted by the principle. I immediately eliminated the first four answer choices because they were obviously out of scope, and picked the right answer because I thought it conformed to the principle. Man.
I got confused here because I presumed that it's understood that once a domestic cleaner comes into your home. Your home is automatically a workplace until they leave.
I was dumb and answered D but got E on the blind review. Honestly I have a hard time with MBF questions, my brain equates the right answer with whats true.
I knew the answer was E, but still i was so confused about how to approach this question when going to the answers. but i think i figured it out and maybe it'll help u too.
I basically just went through the answers giving them "true" or "false" labels.
bc this is a MBF question, 4 should be true and 1 must be false.
So, based on the info we learned in the stimulus, labelling true or false on each answer with POE can make it sooo much simpler (at least for me). yay
I was SO CLOSE To picking C then I was like WAIT what does provide the basis of rejecting mean. Sorry had to cheat and googled that it means its a "must be false question". That's the only reason I got that question right. Now I know for the future HOW important it is to read the question stem!
I feel that may statement can vouch for most people that picked answer choice C is due to how the questions was written. The word choice made it confusing for me to choose E over C until there was video explanation of what the question was specifically asking.
Ok, got it right but I was 48 seconds over.
Having this 'supposed' to be done in 1min is absolutely diabolical. 1:24 here. But correct is correct.
LETS GO ANOTHER DUB
I see many people now confused why it isn't C
Carefully read the question stem - which provides a basis for REJECTING (not supporting) the claim?
Can someone explain to me why it is unreasonable to assume that banning smoking in workplaces offers some protection to people outside of their workplaces? Those people presumably have some protection from secondhand smoke when they visit other people's workplaces, such as grocery stores or restaurants.
I see why E is correct, but I fail to understand why C isn't also correct. Are we living in a hypothetical world where no one is ever a customer or visitor in someone else's workplace?
@JessHyder The difference between C and E is that C merely provides support for the stimulus instead of being rejected by the stimulus like E is (anti-supported).
C is claiming that the law offers no protection from 2nd hand smoke outside the workplace, the passage is simply confirming this idea. Therefore, C wouldn't be rejected by the stimulus because it doesn't fall on the anti-support side of the spectrum, as E does.
@JessHyder We don't know for a fact that there are no other laws in place that may protect people from second hand smoke. We know it IS prohibited in the workplace and is NOT prohibited at home. This opens up doors for there to be laws such as "no smoking allowed in public restrooms" which is not a workplace and is not a home but can be governed.
I find it best to imagine a world where anything and everything can happen!
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@JackFoley I don't think you being confused is a necessary condition for JY being unable to explain stuff to clients lol
@MacSelesnick needing some ice is the necessary condition for getting burned
So I have been struggling with inference questions and I decided to take a day break of studying and I watched a video that kinda helped get my mind straight and think more logically.
Okay so if someone is walking inside and they are soaked head to toe, the first thing you should think of is that "they are not dry" and make no assumptions about them at all. the only facts you have is that they are wet and not dry.
I have no idea if that is going to help anyone but for some reason after struggling with inference questions for 2 weeks, this made it click. I just know I am always looking through these comments trying to find another perspective to make it click. :)
@CourtneyPierce can you send the video
@YazanMoubayed Honestly that was a while ago when I saw it on TikTok. However, everything that I wrote in the comment is exactly what the video said.
Another way to look at the example I stated is that when someone who walks inside who is soaked head to toe. You should not be thinking of reasons to why they are wet, like it's raining, they fell into the pool... you should only think about how they are wet.
So to move into an LSAT version. I think the key is to NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. The only thing you should do is gather information from what you see in the stimulus.
"provides a basis for rejecting which one of the following claims?" = which of the answer choices would the stimulus prove incorrect
@jansenbienmbelarmino Thank you
If we define workplace as a place where people work, then homes would count as workplaces for housecleaners. I think this is a bad question
@Eymendkk That's what I thought at first but the answer choice says (to paraphrase)
That can be rejected because the house cleaner is working in someone else's home, and that person (the person who owns the home) is allowed to smoke in their home, thus the law does NOT protect the housecleaners from secondhand smoke.
@Eymendkk I work from home, so my home is my workplace, but because it is my home, I am allowed to smoke in my workplace.
I had a partial stroke reading the question for some reason LOL. Got it right but had to reread it a few times
@AnibalCPerez me too
I found this right and it was honestly so easy. Like basic logic. I don't get how I find hard questions right but not the 'medium' or easy ones...lol