POE is your best friend when it comes to W/S answers lol. I crossed out every other answer aside from D & E.
E's explanation didn't make sense because the 80% of leisure flyers buying tickets will still do so even at a discounted rate.
Thus, D made the most sense since, from the conclusion, Leisure flyers don't seem to be the only kind of important passengers if these business flyers are too.
I feel for C and I'm embarrassed after seeing the difficulty level. But I wanted to say this here because I realized why I went wrong and wanted to share for anyone who has made a similar mistake in the past or on this question.
We need to be careful about context I defiantly put to much thought into what the context meant in relation to the argument and put less emphasis on the P -> C structure that the correct answer played on.
Context is just table stetting information an argument may refer to it via indicators but it should not be considered in strengthening or weakening the argument we must look solely at the P -> C support structure and in these WSE we will assume the P to be true. The conclusion we can push towards truth as well by strengthening the support or brining it to question by weakening the support via a question that attacks the support of P -> C. In most answers they will play on the fact that the premise fact is still true regardless of the direction we want the argument to go W or S.
Note: correct me if Im wrong on thinking this always looking for helpful feedback
I got it right but considered B. I fall into the trap of the very broad wording such as "alterations" could be to expand or reduce. How can I be more alert of these broad words?
still confused on how sometimes we can say that the stimulus is wrong and sometimes we can’t. one time i clicked on an AC, but it was wrong because it said that the stimulus is wrong and you can’t negate the stimulus. now this answer choice is correct even though it’s saying that the stimulus is wrong and it negates it?
Wow, I think the secret to understanding LR is finally clicking for me and it only took 2 months and a level 1 question :P.
Being able to identify the assumption present in the argument makes it so much easier to spot the correct answer for ALL LR questions. I look for the conclusion first and then what premises the author provides as support for their conclusion. With that in mind, I ask myself "what is the author ASSUMING connects these ideas?" For this question the author is assuming the group that buys more tickets (leisure travelers) is the group airlines should prioritize for comfort improvements because doing so would (presumably) be more beneficial for airline profits. That assumption is the missing link, or the gap, the author wants me to bridge. I know that for weaken questions, my job is to expose that assumption, not bridge the gap. So I went hunting for answers that align with exposing the assumption. I will likely rely on this framework for all LR questions moving forward.
Maybe this is already obvious for some, but for those that are still struggling or still trying to get everything to click, I hope that helps!
Yeahhhhhh no. I'm frustrated with this one cause the difficulty level is so small, but I chose C and cannot wrap my head around why it is incorrect. I understand how D weakens the reasoning but how does C not??
@Nickgigs It's super specific - sleeping in comfort and long flights. Maybe they still want to sit comfortably (lumbar support in the seats? nicer cushions? nicer headphones for watching movies?) or they want the comfort during short flights. Or even if it is not the primary concern, maybe it is still a big concern, just not the biggest one.
@Nickgigs I thought it was too narrow because the stimulus says focus on the comfort of leisure travelers (which includes all comfort on all types of flights) and C only talks about sleeping in comfort and on long flights only. Also, even if it is not their primary concern, it does not tell us why we shouldn't focus on their comfort since they buy most of the tickets. They probably still care about their comfort, they just prioritize cheap seats. If two airlines offered equally cheap seats but one airline was way more comfy, the economy class passengers would all probably choose the comfier airline, even it is not their primary concern.
so my wrong answer journal looks like this - i did not negate to make it look like an rre style question, which would have helped me see why D was the right choice. I didn't have a solid grasp of the conclusions monetary concept, which is why i slos glossed over D as being an option. ways To help me not to continue down that path, try to remember with weakening, try to make it into an rre, and remember CLIR—conflict, loophole, inference, resolution.
I am doing pretty well with the LR lessons but I notice that I often go over the target time for each question. Earlier in the LR section it was mentioned not to focus on time too much yet, but I'm unsure at one point I should be start focusing on my speed. Also, what should I do to improve my speed when it becomes a priority?
From what I was told, speed naturally just comes to you as you continue to do these questions. You just sort of figure it out faster. It's similar to how you slowly do jigsaw puzzles, or legos. Eventually you don't even need to read the instructions and can just put it together by looking at it.
@nicolesteinberg133 no i only watch video if i got both first take and br wrong. i read the explanation if i got first take wrong but br right. i move on if i got first take and br right.
Okay y'all here's my 2 cents even though nobody asked:
In a weaken argument, the conclusion is implied to be an assumption which is FALSE.
I think it is safe to NOT look for the smart answer.
Instead you should go for the answer choice that is talking about what is RELEVANT in the premise and conclusion, EVEN IF, the answer choice sounds dumb.
D is stating that business travelers make up a greater proportion of revenue than leisure travelers, while the stim states that leisure passengers make up 80% of ticket purchases
20% of business travelers who purchase tickets pay a greater rate and therefore contribute more to total airline revenue
I think the language is just super specific, which can be tricky!
@inadsiwel I was thinking the exact same thing but after I kept re-reading it (and taking too much time in doing so) I came to the same conclusion that @malenamorroco48710 so elegantly explained. Tricky!
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i am now paying more attention as to whether an answer choice even engages with the stimulus
POE is your best friend when it comes to W/S answers lol. I crossed out every other answer aside from D & E.
E's explanation didn't make sense because the 80% of leisure flyers buying tickets will still do so even at a discounted rate.
Thus, D made the most sense since, from the conclusion, Leisure flyers don't seem to be the only kind of important passengers if these business flyers are too.
I feel for C and I'm embarrassed after seeing the difficulty level. But I wanted to say this here because I realized why I went wrong and wanted to share for anyone who has made a similar mistake in the past or on this question.
We need to be careful about context I defiantly put to much thought into what the context meant in relation to the argument and put less emphasis on the P -> C structure that the correct answer played on.
Context is just table stetting information an argument may refer to it via indicators but it should not be considered in strengthening or weakening the argument we must look solely at the P -> C support structure and in these WSE we will assume the P to be true. The conclusion we can push towards truth as well by strengthening the support or brining it to question by weakening the support via a question that attacks the support of P -> C. In most answers they will play on the fact that the premise fact is still true regardless of the direction we want the argument to go W or S.
Note: correct me if Im wrong on thinking this always looking for helpful feedback
pretty sure i've seen this question before on 7sage
It's crazy how getting answers right lifts our confidence. Never in a million years did I think this would be me LOL I am such a dork hahaha
I get frustrated when I get these right now cause I know it's not one of the harder difficulty questions. Sigh
I got it right but considered B. I fall into the trap of the very broad wording such as "alterations" could be to expand or reduce. How can I be more alert of these broad words?
I swear this question appeared earlier on in the cirriculum
I’m such a genius!!!!! My ego has been lifted. Level of difficulty - level 1
wait why was this hard for me
@tessapys no bc this took me five minutes
Finally an easy one
still confused on how sometimes we can say that the stimulus is wrong and sometimes we can’t. one time i clicked on an AC, but it was wrong because it said that the stimulus is wrong and you can’t negate the stimulus. now this answer choice is correct even though it’s saying that the stimulus is wrong and it negates it?
confidence boost!
This was definitely a must needed confidence booster question.
LETS GOOOO ANOTHER ONE!!!!! HUGE W'S CHAT
if weaken has no haters I'm dead
I can't answer a weaken question right to save my life😭
what does RRE mean again?
@delaine0115 Resolve, Reconcile, or Explain questions--from previous lesson
Wow, I think the secret to understanding LR is finally clicking for me and it only took 2 months and a level 1 question :P.
Being able to identify the assumption present in the argument makes it so much easier to spot the correct answer for ALL LR questions. I look for the conclusion first and then what premises the author provides as support for their conclusion. With that in mind, I ask myself "what is the author ASSUMING connects these ideas?" For this question the author is assuming the group that buys more tickets (leisure travelers) is the group airlines should prioritize for comfort improvements because doing so would (presumably) be more beneficial for airline profits. That assumption is the missing link, or the gap, the author wants me to bridge. I know that for weaken questions, my job is to expose that assumption, not bridge the gap. So I went hunting for answers that align with exposing the assumption. I will likely rely on this framework for all LR questions moving forward.
Maybe this is already obvious for some, but for those that are still struggling or still trying to get everything to click, I hope that helps!
@HayleeHarris Super helpful framing, thank you!
Yeahhhhhh no. I'm frustrated with this one cause the difficulty level is so small, but I chose C and cannot wrap my head around why it is incorrect. I understand how D weakens the reasoning but how does C not??
@Nickgigs It's super specific - sleeping in comfort and long flights. Maybe they still want to sit comfortably (lumbar support in the seats? nicer cushions? nicer headphones for watching movies?) or they want the comfort during short flights. Or even if it is not the primary concern, maybe it is still a big concern, just not the biggest one.
@Nush what
@Nickgigs I thought it was too narrow because the stimulus says focus on the comfort of leisure travelers (which includes all comfort on all types of flights) and C only talks about sleeping in comfort and on long flights only. Also, even if it is not their primary concern, it does not tell us why we shouldn't focus on their comfort since they buy most of the tickets. They probably still care about their comfort, they just prioritize cheap seats. If two airlines offered equally cheap seats but one airline was way more comfy, the economy class passengers would all probably choose the comfier airline, even it is not their primary concern.
so my wrong answer journal looks like this - i did not negate to make it look like an rre style question, which would have helped me see why D was the right choice. I didn't have a solid grasp of the conclusions monetary concept, which is why i slos glossed over D as being an option. ways To help me not to continue down that path, try to remember with weakening, try to make it into an rre, and remember CLIR—conflict, loophole, inference, resolution.
I am doing pretty well with the LR lessons but I notice that I often go over the target time for each question. Earlier in the LR section it was mentioned not to focus on time too much yet, but I'm unsure at one point I should be start focusing on my speed. Also, what should I do to improve my speed when it becomes a priority?
From what I was told, speed naturally just comes to you as you continue to do these questions. You just sort of figure it out faster. It's similar to how you slowly do jigsaw puzzles, or legos. Eventually you don't even need to read the instructions and can just put it together by looking at it.
@clumar1 I wouldn't focus on speed until I have done all of the foundational topics and I am now drilling questions and doing more practice tests.
are you guys watching the whole video if you confidently got the question right?
Yes. There's been a few questions I've gotten easily then watched the video and learned something, usually about the wrong answers.
@nicolesteinberg133 no tbh
@nicolesteinberg133 no i only watch video if i got both first take and br wrong. i read the explanation if i got first take wrong but br right. i move on if i got first take and br right.
Okay y'all here's my 2 cents even though nobody asked:
In a weaken argument, the conclusion is implied to be an assumption which is FALSE.
I think it is safe to NOT look for the smart answer.
Instead you should go for the answer choice that is talking about what is RELEVANT in the premise and conclusion, EVEN IF, the answer choice sounds dumb.
i thought we weren't supposed to basically make a premise incorrect... which is exactly what D does...
D is stating that business travelers make up a greater proportion of revenue than leisure travelers, while the stim states that leisure passengers make up 80% of ticket purchases
20% of business travelers who purchase tickets pay a greater rate and therefore contribute more to total airline revenue
I think the language is just super specific, which can be tricky!
@inadsiwel I was thinking the exact same thing but after I kept re-reading it (and taking too much time in doing so) I came to the same conclusion that @malenamorroco48710 so elegantly explained. Tricky!