Idk if im the only one but im just really confused on how Question 2 is even an argument. If anything I feel like that the last sentence "since macroeconomic forces are nothing more than the aggregation of individual microeconomic choices" is more of a conclusion, but that doesnt really leave a premise
Just confused on what exactly the argument that number 2 is trying to make is
question 5 I struggled on - i know sometimes "but" can be the indicator word for a mc statement as well but in this case it was the last sentence where the author's opinion was given "they should"
5/5!!! the first four were pretty smooth and i spent a few minutes on the Q5; i was able to easily note that the sentence 1 was the context and that sentence 3 was a premise. i was torn between sentences 2 and 4 for the main conclusion.
i recognized that this was a premise+conclusion type of sentence, which are my weak points. however, the phrase "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" pertains to ONLY the first sentence talking about the food waste storage methods. sentence 4 offers a solution (in the form of a conclusion) to the overall problem, which is that they should just overall stop producing the food waste to begin with.
this sentence addresses all of the previous sentences and takes support from them, which is why sentence 4 ("they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately" is the main conclusion!
It's difficult putting all we learned so far into practice lol. I got 1 and 2 wrong so far, by simply forgetting "for, since, and because", on top of finding the context... I got this though!
X[The restaurants on the main block are all temporarily storing their food waste in their backyards.]
S.C[But this is not a sustainable, long term solution.]
P[Since none of them have devised a suitable recycling or disposal plan,]
M.C[they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately.]
This is how I initially categorized it, and I think I am having difficulty finding the difference between sub-conclusion and sub-premise. To me, what I found as S.C was still a conclusion partly then be tied down by the M.C (that the operations should be immediately shut down).
Could it be the "This is not a sustainable, long-term solution" is not a sub-conclusion simply because there's no premise supporting it? Seems to me that's the best case for why it's not a conclusion.
@GavinSchuerch I thought that too initially but it works as a conclusion when you apply the "why should I believe you" reasoning to it.
They should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately. Why should I believe that? Because the current plan (info given in context) is not sustainable, nor is it a long-term solution. Plus, they haven't devised a suitable recycling or disposal plan.
I thought "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" was part of the context because I thought I wasn't supposed to assume that it supports the claim "they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately." I can see why I should have intuitively known though... I was just being too cautious.
Can anyone help me understand why in question 5 the sentence that states, "But this is not a sustainable, long term solution." is not considered a subconclusion, but a premise instead?
@correaminerva09 Subconclusions are also called major premises, so because it is fulfilling the role of "premise" in it's relationship to the final conclusion they've labeled it as such. if I'm remembering correctly. The other skill builders have also labeled subconclusions as premises.
@correaminerva09 However, reading it back over again, I'm not sure it is a subconclusion because there are no premises that would be backing that claim up, we only know what the premises are from question four!
@SavanahHoffstein I totally agree with you. I also marked it as subconclusion at the beginning, but there is no premise to support it. If we ask " Why is it not a sustainable, long term solution?", none of the premises and the context, of course, would support it. It is basically another premise, but a very confusing one!
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Idk if im the only one but im just really confused on how Question 2 is even an argument. If anything I feel like that the last sentence "since macroeconomic forces are nothing more than the aggregation of individual microeconomic choices" is more of a conclusion, but that doesnt really leave a premise
Just confused on what exactly the argument that number 2 is trying to make is
@pbahoura I had the same though that a lack of argument was presented
my first 5/5 sniffles happily
question 5 I struggled on - i know sometimes "but" can be the indicator word for a mc statement as well but in this case it was the last sentence where the author's opinion was given "they should"
For #5 the first premise doesn’t seem like it supports the conclusion. 👎
4/5, The last question I knew was gonna throw me for a loop seeing the same prompt with that minor change.
5/5 yay
5/5 😃
q5 stumped me. commenting to revisit when my mastery of the english language has improved....drastically
4/5
5/5!!! the first four were pretty smooth and i spent a few minutes on the Q5; i was able to easily note that the sentence 1 was the context and that sentence 3 was a premise. i was torn between sentences 2 and 4 for the main conclusion.
i recognized that this was a premise+conclusion type of sentence, which are my weak points. however, the phrase "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" pertains to ONLY the first sentence talking about the food waste storage methods. sentence 4 offers a solution (in the form of a conclusion) to the overall problem, which is that they should just overall stop producing the food waste to begin with.
this sentence addresses all of the previous sentences and takes support from them, which is why sentence 4 ("they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately" is the main conclusion!
It's difficult putting all we learned so far into practice lol. I got 1 and 2 wrong so far, by simply forgetting "for, since, and because", on top of finding the context... I got this though!
X: CONTEXT
S.C: SUB CONCLUSION
P: PREMISE
M.C: MAJOR CONCLUSION
X[The restaurants on the main block are all temporarily storing their food waste in their backyards.]
S.C[But this is not a sustainable, long term solution.]
P[Since none of them have devised a suitable recycling or disposal plan,]
M.C[they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately.]
This is how I initially categorized it, and I think I am having difficulty finding the difference between sub-conclusion and sub-premise. To me, what I found as S.C was still a conclusion partly then be tied down by the M.C (that the operations should be immediately shut down).
4/5
Could it be the "This is not a sustainable, long-term solution" is not a sub-conclusion simply because there's no premise supporting it? Seems to me that's the best case for why it's not a conclusion.
@GavinSchuerch I thought that too initially but it works as a conclusion when you apply the "why should I believe you" reasoning to it.
They should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately. Why should I believe that? Because the current plan (info given in context) is not sustainable, nor is it a long-term solution. Plus, they haven't devised a suitable recycling or disposal plan.
Q5 tripped me up. I forgot that "But" statements can simply just be transitioning to the argument and could be a sub-conclusion/major premise
How important is it to memorize words like "however" and "some believe" and what they signify regarding the rest of the passage?
I thought "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" was part of the context because I thought I wasn't supposed to assume that it supports the claim "they should stop producing food waste and shut down operations immediately." I can see why I should have intuitively known though... I was just being too cautious.
5/5! the last one tripped me up a bit but we got there in the end.
4/5. I really thought "this is not a sustainable, long-term solution" was a sub conclusion.
how is 5 changing the subconclusion to conclusion? its the same sentence and phrasing
@GDatria715 I thought it was the same at first (You're not alone) the wording is changed slightly. Easy to miss, no shame upon ye
Would "But this is not sustainable.." be a sub-conclusion?
5/5, but the last one almost got me!
1/5. I found this extremely confusing. Would appreciate it if someone here can help explain it in a more simpler manner? I'm at my wits end :(
@Dom80
Context (‘random info’)
Leads to 2. premise/conclusion.
How to tell premise/conclusion apart;
If (premise) then (conclusion)
However (conclusion). This is because (premise).
There are a lot of possibilities but hopefully this helps. Keep trying. You got this!
We are so back
5/5
Can anyone help me understand why in question 5 the sentence that states, "But this is not a sustainable, long term solution." is not considered a subconclusion, but a premise instead?
@correaminerva09 Subconclusions are also called major premises, so because it is fulfilling the role of "premise" in it's relationship to the final conclusion they've labeled it as such. if I'm remembering correctly. The other skill builders have also labeled subconclusions as premises.
@correaminerva09 However, reading it back over again, I'm not sure it is a subconclusion because there are no premises that would be backing that claim up, we only know what the premises are from question four!
@SavanahHoffstein I totally agree with you. I also marked it as subconclusion at the beginning, but there is no premise to support it. If we ask " Why is it not a sustainable, long term solution?", none of the premises and the context, of course, would support it. It is basically another premise, but a very confusing one!
#2 almost got me boy, had to slow down rq