Can anyone help me understand why in question 5 the sentence that states, "But this is not a sustainable, long term solution." is not considered a subconclusion, but a premise instead?
@correaminerva09 Subconclusions are also called major premises, so because it is fulfilling the role of "premise" in it's relationship to the final conclusion they've labeled it as such. if I'm remembering correctly. The other skill builders have also labeled subconclusions as premises.
@correaminerva09 However, reading it back over again, I'm not sure it is a subconclusion because there are no premises that would be backing that claim up, we only know what the premises are from question four!
@SavanahHoffstein I totally agree with you. I also marked it as subconclusion at the beginning, but there is no premise to support it. If we ask " Why is it not a sustainable, long term solution?", none of the premises and the context, of course, would support it. It is basically another premise, but a very confusing one!
I got 5/5 but i really had to take my time with it. Any recs on how to work through them quicker? I tend to second guess myself which causes me to spend more time on it!
Did anyone else have a hard time with question 3 as well? Question 5 was the most difficult for me, but his explanation makes sense! I (sort of) understand it now.
@brookedonnelly04 yeah i had a hard time for question 3 but the explanation is very helpful. If you just work on using the indictors. I think it clears up question 3 a lot. I feel like for me I started overthinking and looking too deep into it. For question 5 i was mostly right. i just didn't recognize "long term solution" as also a premise. You got this though, with practice we both will get the score we are looking to get!
Regarding Question 5, is "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" premise also could be considered as a sub-conclusion? Making this a complex argument?
@RachelMeltsin I thought the same thing, but the explanation helped me understand it a bit more. The added example about the escape plan helped me see the need to ask what the point is really driving toward. In other words, what is the main point? I rephrase the text in question 5 to say "the status quo is not a sustainable, long-term solution, so they need to shut down." Doing this helped me see that the status quo not working in the long run isn't really the point, it's just emphasizing the need for the main point - to shut things down.
Finally, the reassurance that I don't need to understand all this perfectly gave me a little sigh of relief :)
Did anyone else think about Question 1 like this? Context: If these new policies are approved, students will soon be able to freely access their academic records.
Conclusion: However, as a teacher, I believe this would be a blunder.
Major premise/Sub conclusion: First, allowing students full access to their academic records might distract teachers from more significant responsibilities
Minor premise: as they have to organize and provide files.
Major premise: Second, based on my experiences, I've noticed that most students don't express the desire to access their records in the first place.
@DavidCollins To my understanding, yes, there can be multiple conclusions. Sometimes there's a subsidiary conclusion (minor conclusion) that contributes to the point of the main conclusion.
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4/5. I really thought "this is not a sustainable, long-term solution" was a sub conclusion.
how is 5 changing the subconclusion to conclusion? its the same sentence and phrasing
@GDatria715 I thought it was the same at first (You're not alone) the wording is changed slightly. Easy to miss, no shame upon ye
Would "But this is not sustainable.." be a sub-conclusion?
5/5, but the last one almost got me!
1/5. I found this extremely confusing. Would appreciate it if someone here can help explain it in a more simpler manner? I'm at my wits end :(
@Dom80
Context (‘random info’)
Leads to 2. premise/conclusion.
How to tell premise/conclusion apart;
If (premise) then (conclusion)
However (conclusion). This is because (premise).
There are a lot of possibilities but hopefully this helps. Keep trying. You got this!
We are so back
5/5
Can anyone help me understand why in question 5 the sentence that states, "But this is not a sustainable, long term solution." is not considered a subconclusion, but a premise instead?
@correaminerva09 Subconclusions are also called major premises, so because it is fulfilling the role of "premise" in it's relationship to the final conclusion they've labeled it as such. if I'm remembering correctly. The other skill builders have also labeled subconclusions as premises.
@correaminerva09 However, reading it back over again, I'm not sure it is a subconclusion because there are no premises that would be backing that claim up, we only know what the premises are from question four!
@SavanahHoffstein I totally agree with you. I also marked it as subconclusion at the beginning, but there is no premise to support it. If we ask " Why is it not a sustainable, long term solution?", none of the premises and the context, of course, would support it. It is basically another premise, but a very confusing one!
#2 almost got me boy, had to slow down rq
I got 5/5 but i really had to take my time with it. Any recs on how to work through them quicker? I tend to second guess myself which causes me to spend more time on it!
4 + 4 = i ate
Can one say that "But this is not a sustainable, long term solution." in question 5 is a sub conclusion/major premise?
@JiggityJack5 i think that would be the sub-conclusion as it is support for the main conclusion.
Gosh, question 3 is hard lol. Got 4/5
5/5!!
hello,
Does context information are usually at the beginning of the arguments?
@katia:) Yes, it's almost always at the beginning. (But it can also appear elsewhere).
@katia:) ive also seen it can be throughout a passage!
Did anyone else have a hard time with question 3 as well? Question 5 was the most difficult for me, but his explanation makes sense! I (sort of) understand it now.
@brookedonnelly04 yeah i had a hard time for question 3 but the explanation is very helpful. If you just work on using the indictors. I think it clears up question 3 a lot. I feel like for me I started overthinking and looking too deep into it. For question 5 i was mostly right. i just didn't recognize "long term solution" as also a premise. You got this though, with practice we both will get the score we are looking to get!
This escalated quickly
That last one was a little odd. The context & conclusion were easy but calling those two parts premises made me raise an eyebrow.
Wow. I am really bad at this.
@DeborahAdel Don't beat yourself up over it. Just keep practicing. You can and will get better.
@DeborahAdel keep practicing!!
Context is good to know/sets the scene.
Conclusion tells you what the author is trying to persuade you of.
Premise is why you should believe them.
@DeborahAdel me too, i'm struggling with it a lot
@DavidGodspell we got this. I think im geting a bit better due to constant reviewing of my notes
Regarding Question 5, is "but this is not a sustainable, long term solution" premise also could be considered as a sub-conclusion? Making this a complex argument?
@RachelMeltsin I thought the same thing, but the explanation helped me understand it a bit more. The added example about the escape plan helped me see the need to ask what the point is really driving toward. In other words, what is the main point? I rephrase the text in question 5 to say "the status quo is not a sustainable, long-term solution, so they need to shut down." Doing this helped me see that the status quo not working in the long run isn't really the point, it's just emphasizing the need for the main point - to shut things down.
Finally, the reassurance that I don't need to understand all this perfectly gave me a little sigh of relief :)
@RachelMeltsin I thought this too!
4/5. Got tripped up on Q5 and thought there were two conclusions.
Did anyone else think about Question 1 like this? Context: If these new policies are approved, students will soon be able to freely access their academic records.
Conclusion: However, as a teacher, I believe this would be a blunder.
Major premise/Sub conclusion: First, allowing students full access to their academic records might distract teachers from more significant responsibilities
Minor premise: as they have to organize and provide files.
Major premise: Second, based on my experiences, I've noticed that most students don't express the desire to access their records in the first place.
Can there be 2 conclusions in one argument?
@DavidCollins To my understanding, yes, there can be multiple conclusions. Sometimes there's a subsidiary conclusion (minor conclusion) that contributes to the point of the main conclusion.
Questions 4 & 5 are the same for me?
@herebedragons There's a subtle difference! Dig in and check out the video explanation after you think through them.
5/5 ! Woo Hoo!