Got the right answer but this question is so long. It felt like reading through a reading comprehension passage. The test writers are sooo extra sometimes!
@lilakdunn It took me 17 minutes and I was really struggling. I examined every single word in the answer choices. I am a little worried about getting the answer on time but I also want to get it correct right now so IK my concepts are clean
Do people here watch JY's videos every single time? I'm finding it better to come up with reasons on my own for why questions are right and wrong. Listening to his voice for multiple hours in a row can be tough, and the explanations don't always stick. Just trying to see if I'm selling myself short and missing a ton of information if I don't watch his explanation videos every time, including when I get the answer right.
I only listen to JY talk about the logic in the stimulus and any answer choices that I was close to choosing. I wish some lessons he would give more concise explanations for why wrong answer choices are wrong, since we have about a minute per question.
if i got the answer right and was very secure in my choice, i usually skip the video cause i have a good grasp of the question. if i get the answer wrong, i watch the whole video. if i got the answer right but was conflicted on two answer choices, I'll watch the part of the video that specifically talks about the two answer choices that i was stuck between.
ultimately, it depends on how u're understanding the material bc his explanations can be long-winded and overly detailed, which we don't necessarily have time for. i try to ensure that my condensed thinking while doing the question aligns with his explanation by skimming the text under the video and then moving on.
Can someone please explain the reason why we can contrapose one of the rules but not the other? This is really not clicking for me...I need it in more digestible terms lol
@ameliaviscay1 I'm also confused about this! Here's what I think is going on:
Rule 1: Justified to access without authorization --> comp. used in business
Rule 2: comp used in business AND reasonable grounds for data etc --> justified to access without authoriziation
For rule 1, we contrapose and get: comp not used in business --> not justified to access without authorization
For rule 2, we contrapose and get: not justified to access without authorization --> not used in business or not reasonable grounds for data etc
When an answer choice gives us the conclusion "is justified", we look at rule 2 because rule 2 tells us the 2 sufficient conditions that, if they are met, guarantee the conclusion (necessary condition) "is justified". Rule 1 isn't useful because the "is justified" is on the side of the sufficient condition, not the necessary condition. The contrapositive of rule 1 isn't useful either because it pertains to the conclusion "is not justified".
When an answer choice gives us the conclusion "is not justified", we look at the contrapositive of rule 1 because it gives us the sufficient condition for the conclusion "not justified". Rule 2 isn't useful because it tells us when something "is justified". The contrapositive of rule 2 also isn't useful because the "not justified" is on the side of the sufficient condition. In other words, the contrapositive of rule 2 is telling us what follows logically when something is not justified, but we're looking for what leads to the conclusion that something is not justified. Satisfying a necessary condition doesn't tell us anything about the sufficient condition (example: All cats are mammals [cats = sufficient, mammals = necessary]. Teto is a mammal [satisfies necessary condition]. Therefore Teto is a cat [FLAWED reasoning about the sufficient condition].)
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they really snuck in a novel as an LSAT question
The amount of text in the answer choices should be illegal
These are fun lowkey...
These last two actually felt pretty functional.
I ate this up
and they want me to answer this within 2 minutes????
damn this one ate me up
I’m legit such a queen slay girl boss
omg no way me 2 #slé
Im da king of the lsat baby
I got it right but if i see a question this long on the LSAT im skipping and coming back later LOL
Had B chosen for a good minute, chose E because im no longer mentally stable
@JPolus lol!! humour like that is needed in such a time as this... keep at it JP
If a question similar to this is on the LSAT I will reasonably crashout during the test even though I got it right
Got the right answer but this question is so long. It felt like reading through a reading comprehension passage. The test writers are sooo extra sometimes!
I also got it right but was over target time on this because of the amount of reading for this one
Difficulty is 3 only lmfao
definitely skipping this one on test day :)
correct but OVER time
Okay now how do I do this without panicking about how long it's taking me to read the answer choices/stimulus lol
@lilakdunn fear itself is what keeps you from staying focused:
1) don't start with fear--remind yourself that you ain't afraid of words
2) read through it the first time without constantly going back
3) simplify and shorten info by picking out words that stood out to you
do the same for longer answer choices
@lilakdunn It took me 17 minutes and I was really struggling. I examined every single word in the answer choices. I am a little worried about getting the answer on time but I also want to get it correct right now so IK my concepts are clean
no way this a 3/5 wtf 😭
I was so confident with D, damn I have to work on these types of questions
Do people here watch JY's videos every single time? I'm finding it better to come up with reasons on my own for why questions are right and wrong. Listening to his voice for multiple hours in a row can be tough, and the explanations don't always stick. Just trying to see if I'm selling myself short and missing a ton of information if I don't watch his explanation videos every time, including when I get the answer right.
I only listen to JY talk about the logic in the stimulus and any answer choices that I was close to choosing. I wish some lessons he would give more concise explanations for why wrong answer choices are wrong, since we have about a minute per question.
if i got the answer right and was very secure in my choice, i usually skip the video cause i have a good grasp of the question. if i get the answer wrong, i watch the whole video. if i got the answer right but was conflicted on two answer choices, I'll watch the part of the video that specifically talks about the two answer choices that i was stuck between.
ultimately, it depends on how u're understanding the material bc his explanations can be long-winded and overly detailed, which we don't necessarily have time for. i try to ensure that my condensed thinking while doing the question aligns with his explanation by skimming the text under the video and then moving on.
This question took me so long
bro on god
8 mins but managed to get it right god
I got it right in BR, damn these question types are so hard.
its ridiculous the amount of confidence I had when I picked D on the first try lol...
Can someone please explain the reason why we can contrapose one of the rules but not the other? This is really not clicking for me...I need it in more digestible terms lol
@ameliaviscay1 I'm also confused about this! Here's what I think is going on:
Rule 1: Justified to access without authorization --> comp. used in business
Rule 2: comp used in business AND reasonable grounds for data etc --> justified to access without authoriziation
For rule 1, we contrapose and get: comp not used in business --> not justified to access without authorization
For rule 2, we contrapose and get: not justified to access without authorization --> not used in business or not reasonable grounds for data etc
When an answer choice gives us the conclusion "is justified", we look at rule 2 because rule 2 tells us the 2 sufficient conditions that, if they are met, guarantee the conclusion (necessary condition) "is justified". Rule 1 isn't useful because the "is justified" is on the side of the sufficient condition, not the necessary condition. The contrapositive of rule 1 isn't useful either because it pertains to the conclusion "is not justified".
When an answer choice gives us the conclusion "is not justified", we look at the contrapositive of rule 1 because it gives us the sufficient condition for the conclusion "not justified". Rule 2 isn't useful because it tells us when something "is justified". The contrapositive of rule 2 also isn't useful because the "not justified" is on the side of the sufficient condition. In other words, the contrapositive of rule 2 is telling us what follows logically when something is not justified, but we're looking for what leads to the conclusion that something is not justified. Satisfying a necessary condition doesn't tell us anything about the sufficient condition (example: All cats are mammals [cats = sufficient, mammals = necessary]. Teto is a mammal [satisfies necessary condition]. Therefore Teto is a cat [FLAWED reasoning about the sufficient condition].)
Hope this helps!
I was between B and D and fell for D
same
same initially chose B and switched to D