I'll take a shot at it! I think finding the gap and bridging it makes the most sense here (you can likely save a whole bunch of diagraming just with a bit of intuition)
Just because a customer doesn't bother to do a cost-benefit analysis does meet the sufficiency of the premise; they have to expect that it will not be worth it, which still requires some thought, not doing nothing (bothering to think) at all.
E is the only answer choice that fills these gaps. I think most of the other answer choices in this case can be eliminated quite quickly (or at least arm bells should be going off) because of the word 'usually.' The conclusion is exact, and says nothing about what usually happens.
LMK if you need anymore clarification -- it helps a lot to think about why!
Like many other people here, SA questions have been kicking my ass and these lessons haven't been clicking for me at all. So I went to go watch a recorded class with Clayton Allen and it helped so much. Especially his note about tricks for POE in these types of questions. Highly recommend if these lessons/explanations haven't been clicking for you! (@7sage admin give that man a raise!)
@kosomak100 Taking 5+ minutes and diagramming them out has helped me get more right and made me feel significantly less incompetent. These are definitely hard tho
Sheesh my guy. Something that has worked for me when i'm stuck between two answers is to ALWAYS pick the answer more related to the stimulus, even if I don't necessarily believe in it. It almost always turns out right when I do this.
I don't necessarily NEED to know the answer. I need to get to the final two, and pick the answer that most explains the text. Odds are in your favor with this strategy.
#feedback I think some easier "You Try" questions are needed here and there to motivate us... Back to back medium to difficult questions does something to my brain that I can't comprehend but I know it's not efficient as I need to take more breaks :(
@JessM Oh same... absolutely brutal. I knew it had to be E but kept trying to convince myself that it wasn't. This question is such a good example of choosing an answer that will GUARANTEE the the conclusion is valid. elimintate ones that says "usually" or that are circling back to itself. This question took me wayyyyyy too long. i feel dumb lol
Commenting to highlight a pattern I believe may be relevant: On these SA questions, if I identify language similar to "usually, most of the time, occasionally, sometimes, etc." I immediately cross it out. 9 times out of 10 it is clear that the rule necessary to confirm the conclusion must deal in absolutes, it would not be sufficient in any circumstance for the rule to say "most of the time" or any relevant language to what I highlighted previously. If that language is used, then the "rule" can absolutely not be interpreted as true because a rule is only acceptable if it is binary, you either follow it or you don't.
Therefore on a question like this where 3/5 ACs use "usually", I can use POE to interpret the correct choice! Let me know if my observation is flawed please lol - I comment on these questions to reinforce my thinking - and if that thinking is flawed I'd love to know!
I redid the question after watching the first few minutes of the explanation video. JY tells us to pay attention to modifiers so I did that and the answer is literally so easy because its the only one that uses the same modifiers of the conclusion.
AAAGH I FEEL LIKE SUCH AN IDIOT. I've never felt like crying until this moment. I'm messing up the simplest things. How smart does one have to be to balance all these skills we've learned. UGH. I can't man. JEEZ.
2. unless is negating either statement and making it sufficient so:
rational to acquire → benefit>D&E OR /benefit>D&E → not rational to acquire
3. this is the conclusion:
/acquire info → rational
It helped me to think that if something is not rational to acquire, and these people listen to that, then they are rational, or vice versa. Now looking at these statements I thought, how would we know if the person who didn't acquire the info actually listened to the benefits being greater? what if they just didn't care and it was not because of the rules they mentioned in 2? well since we have to make this conclusion work, we have to assume that these people that didnt acquire info and are rational, actually thought that the the benefits didn't outweigh the difficulty and the cost, which is what E tells us.
What I'm noticing in the past few questions is that the stimulus will have a conditional statement that is in need of being 'triggered' and the correct sufficient assumption is basically what helps trigger the rule. Is this is a good way to think about/approach SA questions (well, in the ones we see conditional logic at work)? #help
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Getting my butt kicked by these
these are literally killing me
spent 8 minutes and 40 seconds just to get this wrong
lmaoooo same I was left with AC A and E and failed !
@dishachellani1023 SAME!
It is so satisfying when you can eliminate an answer choice just with grammar. Grammar is QUEEN.
:)
when will the pain stop
been wondering that for 23 years now. JK lmao
when i get these right it's like seeing sunlight for the first time
@VanillaCat Legit the first one I got right this entire lesson
i dont know about yall but the explanations arent helping me here.
same!!
I'll take a shot at it! I think finding the gap and bridging it makes the most sense here (you can likely save a whole bunch of diagraming just with a bit of intuition)
Just because a customer doesn't bother to do a cost-benefit analysis does meet the sufficiency of the premise; they have to expect that it will not be worth it, which still requires some thought, not doing nothing (bothering to think) at all.
E is the only answer choice that fills these gaps. I think most of the other answer choices in this case can be eliminated quite quickly (or at least arm bells should be going off) because of the word 'usually.' The conclusion is exact, and says nothing about what usually happens.
LMK if you need anymore clarification -- it helps a lot to think about why!
Like many other people here, SA questions have been kicking my ass and these lessons haven't been clicking for me at all. So I went to go watch a recorded class with Clayton Allen and it helped so much. Especially his note about tricks for POE in these types of questions. Highly recommend if these lessons/explanations haven't been clicking for you! (@7sage admin give that man a raise!)
@iriswu84153 Best advice I just did this and got the next question right.
@iriswu84153 thank you!!
would like to die this moedule has been the absolute worst and has ruined all confidence
@kosomak100 Taking 5+ minutes and diagramming them out has helped me get more right and made me feel significantly less incompetent. These are definitely hard tho
@MilesHartung thank you for actually giving advice rather than just commenting that you got it right
This is now the 5 question in a row I’ve gotten down between 2 answers and picked the wrong one
Sheesh my guy. Something that has worked for me when i'm stuck between two answers is to ALWAYS pick the answer more related to the stimulus, even if I don't necessarily believe in it. It almost always turns out right when I do this.
I don't necessarily NEED to know the answer. I need to get to the final two, and pick the answer that most explains the text. Odds are in your favor with this strategy.
I will definitely try this thank you for sharing. Hopefully it helps!
#feedback I think some easier "You Try" questions are needed here and there to motivate us... Back to back medium to difficult questions does something to my brain that I can't comprehend but I know it's not efficient as I need to take more breaks :(
@jansenbienmbelarmino agreed
@jansenbienmbelarmino yeah it's really bad for morale and even the medium difficult questions are hard af
@jansenbienmbelarmino agreed
I'm about to throw my computer none of this is clicking
@JessM Oh same... absolutely brutal. I knew it had to be E but kept trying to convince myself that it wasn't. This question is such a good example of choosing an answer that will GUARANTEE the the conclusion is valid. elimintate ones that says "usually" or that are circling back to itself. This question took me wayyyyyy too long. i feel dumb lol
y u bully me
I've heard that 7sage isn't great for the 4-5 star questions and I'm starting to see why. I need to find some other source.
Oh dear, it keeps getting worse for me during this module....
Commenting to highlight a pattern I believe may be relevant: On these SA questions, if I identify language similar to "usually, most of the time, occasionally, sometimes, etc." I immediately cross it out. 9 times out of 10 it is clear that the rule necessary to confirm the conclusion must deal in absolutes, it would not be sufficient in any circumstance for the rule to say "most of the time" or any relevant language to what I highlighted previously. If that language is used, then the "rule" can absolutely not be interpreted as true because a rule is only acceptable if it is binary, you either follow it or you don't.
Therefore on a question like this where 3/5 ACs use "usually", I can use POE to interpret the correct choice! Let me know if my observation is flawed please lol - I comment on these questions to reinforce my thinking - and if that thinking is flawed I'd love to know!
wtf
my brain is mush after this
I redid the question after watching the first few minutes of the explanation video. JY tells us to pay attention to modifiers so I did that and the answer is literally so easy because its the only one that uses the same modifiers of the conclusion.
AAAGH I FEEL LIKE SUCH AN IDIOT. I've never felt like crying until this moment. I'm messing up the simplest things. How smart does one have to be to balance all these skills we've learned. UGH. I can't man. JEEZ.
i keep getting these types of questions wrong! How are you all understanding this?
here is my thought process:
1. acquiring info→ difficult and expensive (D&E)
2. unless is negating either statement and making it sufficient so:
rational to acquire → benefit>D&E OR /benefit>D&E → not rational to acquire
3. this is the conclusion:
/acquire info → rational
It helped me to think that if something is not rational to acquire, and these people listen to that, then they are rational, or vice versa. Now looking at these statements I thought, how would we know if the person who didn't acquire the info actually listened to the benefits being greater? what if they just didn't care and it was not because of the rules they mentioned in 2? well since we have to make this conclusion work, we have to assume that these people that didnt acquire info and are rational, actually thought that the the benefits didn't outweigh the difficulty and the cost, which is what E tells us.
I’ve no idea how I got this question right but it is 5/5 difficulty and I got a lot of the past ones wrong. I’m gonna take the W
i'm gonna fling myself out the window. it's been fun guys
@RyanAlexander Ryan, noooo--stay in the fight!!
@RyanAlexander And to the wall? Until the sweat drips down-
What I'm noticing in the past few questions is that the stimulus will have a conditional statement that is in need of being 'triggered' and the correct sufficient assumption is basically what helps trigger the rule. Is this is a good way to think about/approach SA questions (well, in the ones we see conditional logic at work)? #help
I need to go touch grass after this one
@iloveironman ;lololol
hardest question i've ever seen and bro decides not to map it out. I know the difficulty of this question is its grammar but like plz.
Finally got a difficult question right!!!!!