All hope was lost, 4 wrong in a row, rock bottom was reached. But there is only one way to go when you reach rock bottom. UP. Banged this one out lets goooo
@ps939 Can you write out how you're thinking about this question? What's the conclusion, premise, what are you thinking about what we want before the correct answer? What answer are you attracted to, why do you think it's right, why don't you like the answer that's correct, etc.? This is the best way to clarify anything that's confusing.
@JessM Oh same... absolutely brutal. I knew it had to be E but kept trying to convince myself that it wasn't. This question is such a good example of choosing an answer that will GUARANTEE the the conclusion is valid. elimintate ones that says "usually" or that are circling back to itself. This question took me wayyyyyy too long. i feel dumb lol
Like many other people here, SA questions have been kicking my ass and these lessons haven't been clicking for me at all. So I went to go watch a recorded class with Clayton Allen and it helped so much. Especially his note about tricks for POE in these types of questions. Highly recommend if these lessons/explanations haven't been clicking for you! (@7sage admin give that man a raise!)
@kosomak100 Taking 5+ minutes and diagramming them out has helped me get more right and made me feel significantly less incompetent. These are definitely hard tho
@arieatsoranges If I still struggle to understand the stimulus and which answer choice was the correct one for what reason, I will try diagramming the problem on my own and just beat the dead horse until the words barely make sense anymore. When we first started the curriculum, this is what I did with the Coffee Shoppe problem. I would write out the conditional statements backwards and forwards and chain them and do the same thing with the ACs.
I will also talk myself through it out loud like I am writing the lesson myself. It can help to take notes and diagram for sure, but in the actual test environment you're rarely going to have time to diagram, so the work of diagramming now should be done with the goal of doing it in your head eventually.
With note taking, I heard someone say one time that they started using note taking as a strategy to procrastinate. This is definitely something I do, so I had to resist note taking and just flag the hard questions and come back to them later with a fresh eye to see how I do. If you notice yourself continually making the same mistakes, whether it is making the sufficiency/necessity confusion, failing to read the whole stimulus/AC, messing up comparatives, etc., you can make note of those and drill them separately.
It is smart not to buy a house unless one expects to live there for at least ten years.
Therefore, Jim is smart for deciding not to buy a house.
What is missing here? The assumption that Jim falls into the subset of people that were described in the premise. It's not about supporting the argument per say, it's about showing that what was originally an unwarranted assumption required for the argument to be valid is in fact true.
YEsssssss. It's so nice to understand the structure of these questions types, because then prediction makes these scarily easy once I got it down. I deadass skimmed the ACs and landed on E because that was exactly what I was looking for. 44 seconds to spare. Thank you JY I love you
these are kicking me in the butt. I havent got any correct and I even drilled with the easiest questions and got them wrong. This just isnt clicking at all :/
@kimwexler Dude I literally started from lesson 1 of SA questions cause I COULDN'T GET ANY RIGHT. There are a lot of minor details you see after doing some of these questions.
okay so ive got everything wrong in all of this section even in blind review but im holding onto hope bc i finally got this right in blind review (why am i struggling so much today?)
Commenting to highlight a pattern I believe may be relevant: On these SA questions, if I identify language similar to "usually, most of the time, occasionally, sometimes, etc." I immediately cross it out. 9 times out of 10 it is clear that the rule necessary to confirm the conclusion must deal in absolutes, it would not be sufficient in any circumstance for the rule to say "most of the time" or any relevant language to what I highlighted previously. If that language is used, then the "rule" can absolutely not be interpreted as true because a rule is only acceptable if it is binary, you either follow it or you don't.
Therefore on a question like this where 3/5 ACs use "usually", I can use POE to interpret the correct choice! Let me know if my observation is flawed please lol - I comment on these questions to reinforce my thinking - and if that thinking is flawed I'd love to know!
@Arthurxx usually is the indicator. It is not a complete statement about the consumer so it then breaks it up into subsets of consumers. What about consumers who think differently?
@Arthurxx We are not talking about ALL RATIONAL CONSUMERS, like answer choice D (and A) mention. We are talking about CONSUMERS that act RATIONALLY. That is what helped me eliminate those answer choices.
this is the only time where i've successfully mapped out the premise to conclusion bridge and drew an argument that matched the answer choice almost verbatim
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I hate when the answer choices are just as long as the stimmy :(
i can't believe i got this right :0 this whole section has been kicking my butt
All hope was lost, 4 wrong in a row, rock bottom was reached. But there is only one way to go when you reach rock bottom. UP. Banged this one out lets goooo
Geez this question took me 10 minutes but I found the correct answer
idk but these explanations have not been good at all. I feel like there were longer explanations for much more simpler questions.
@ps939 Can you write out how you're thinking about this question? What's the conclusion, premise, what are you thinking about what we want before the correct answer? What answer are you attracted to, why do you think it's right, why don't you like the answer that's correct, etc.? This is the best way to clarify anything that's confusing.
@Kevin_Lin I think this explanation would have been better with conditional arrows
I'm about to throw my computer none of this is clicking
@JessM Oh same... absolutely brutal. I knew it had to be E but kept trying to convince myself that it wasn't. This question is such a good example of choosing an answer that will GUARANTEE the the conclusion is valid. elimintate ones that says "usually" or that are circling back to itself. This question took me wayyyyyy too long. i feel dumb lol
C almost tricked me, but it became apparent why it was wrong.
Like many other people here, SA questions have been kicking my ass and these lessons haven't been clicking for me at all. So I went to go watch a recorded class with Clayton Allen and it helped so much. Especially his note about tricks for POE in these types of questions. Highly recommend if these lessons/explanations haven't been clicking for you! (@7sage admin give that man a raise!)
@iriswu84153 Best advice I just did this and got the next question right.
would like to die this moedule has been the absolute worst and has ruined all confidence
@kosomak100 Taking 5+ minutes and diagramming them out has helped me get more right and made me feel significantly less incompetent. These are definitely hard tho
Now how in the hell I end up getting the hardest one right? Like I knew what to search for and found it in the answers. SMH.
when i get these right it's like seeing sunlight for the first time
@VanillaCat Legit the first one I got right this entire lesson
How do y'all take notes on difficult questions like these? Do you takes notes or do you just watch/read the content?
@arieatsoranges If I still struggle to understand the stimulus and which answer choice was the correct one for what reason, I will try diagramming the problem on my own and just beat the dead horse until the words barely make sense anymore. When we first started the curriculum, this is what I did with the Coffee Shoppe problem. I would write out the conditional statements backwards and forwards and chain them and do the same thing with the ACs.
I will also talk myself through it out loud like I am writing the lesson myself. It can help to take notes and diagram for sure, but in the actual test environment you're rarely going to have time to diagram, so the work of diagramming now should be done with the goal of doing it in your head eventually.
With note taking, I heard someone say one time that they started using note taking as a strategy to procrastinate. This is definitely something I do, so I had to resist note taking and just flag the hard questions and come back to them later with a fresh eye to see how I do. If you notice yourself continually making the same mistakes, whether it is making the sufficiency/necessity confusion, failing to read the whole stimulus/AC, messing up comparatives, etc., you can make note of those and drill them separately.
Oh dear, it keeps getting worse for me during this module....
I'm so confused, it feels like most of the correct answers for this question type are just restating the conclusion
@jessicapearson Imagine the following argument.
It is smart not to buy a house unless one expects to live there for at least ten years.
Therefore, Jim is smart for deciding not to buy a house.
What is missing here? The assumption that Jim falls into the subset of people that were described in the premise. It's not about supporting the argument per say, it's about showing that what was originally an unwarranted assumption required for the argument to be valid is in fact true.
This one was actually so hard for me
YEsssssss. It's so nice to understand the structure of these questions types, because then prediction makes these scarily easy once I got it down. I deadass skimmed the ACs and landed on E because that was exactly what I was looking for. 44 seconds to spare. Thank you JY I love you
these are kicking me in the butt. I havent got any correct and I even drilled with the easiest questions and got them wrong. This just isnt clicking at all :/
@kimwexler dont give up, sometimes it takes days or even weeks for small thing to click in.
Winner takes it all!!!
@kimwexler Dude I literally started from lesson 1 of SA questions cause I COULDN'T GET ANY RIGHT. There are a lot of minor details you see after doing some of these questions.
me getting sufficient assumptions questions wrong that are below a lvl 3 but somehow getting two lvl 5's right
@ggasca21 so true !!!!
Practice conditional logic, but don't waste time drawing it out in the test. Don't lean on your intuition but don't waste too much time.
I’m not understanding😪
okay so ive got everything wrong in all of this section even in blind review but im holding onto hope bc i finally got this right in blind review (why am i struggling so much today?)
Commenting to highlight a pattern I believe may be relevant: On these SA questions, if I identify language similar to "usually, most of the time, occasionally, sometimes, etc." I immediately cross it out. 9 times out of 10 it is clear that the rule necessary to confirm the conclusion must deal in absolutes, it would not be sufficient in any circumstance for the rule to say "most of the time" or any relevant language to what I highlighted previously. If that language is used, then the "rule" can absolutely not be interpreted as true because a rule is only acceptable if it is binary, you either follow it or you don't.
Therefore on a question like this where 3/5 ACs use "usually", I can use POE to interpret the correct choice! Let me know if my observation is flawed please lol - I comment on these questions to reinforce my thinking - and if that thinking is flawed I'd love to know!
just gonna skip this one
I still don't understand the difference between D and E for some reason.
@Arthurxx usually is the indicator. It is not a complete statement about the consumer so it then breaks it up into subsets of consumers. What about consumers who think differently?
@Arthurxx We are not talking about ALL RATIONAL CONSUMERS, like answer choice D (and A) mention. We are talking about CONSUMERS that act RATIONALLY. That is what helped me eliminate those answer choices.
this is the only time where i've successfully mapped out the premise to conclusion bridge and drew an argument that matched the answer choice almost verbatim