@jennawiese Sure! Let's say the conclusion is "I am a really good baker."
An answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary is "I have baked for the past 15 years and won several international baking competitions." This definitely supports the conclusion and could arguably be considered sufficient, but it is not necessary.
There are other ways to be considered a really good baker! What if you haven't won any international baking competitions, but you've been baking for the past 30 years and own your own bakery?
What makes the "must be true" test time consuming? I don't see any additional steps it involves compared to just doing the question without that test. I get why negation might add an additional step, but not "must be true."
Alrighty according to the two pre tests I took before knowing of 7sage one of my weekest sections is this one Necessary assumptions, this is what I signed for =) thanks for the knwoledge by the way
Would the negation test be something that could also be used on "Must be True" questions? Since on both NA and MBT questions we have to find a missing premise or assumption that must be true given the argument?
so were not to use the negation test right off the bat? then what are we supposed to use? i thought the negation test was a great way to find the answer right off the bat
@LadyShiva yeah! Use the negation technique for practice, but in the long run, we have to actually figure out why the answer choice is necessary for the argument. ik ik. I was also told sometimes the negation test doesnt work for 5 star questions because of the pesky test writer's ability to hide the right answers
What other way would you determine an AC is necessary other than negating..when you ask yourself is it necessary you're automatically negating no? even if subconsciously...not sure why this as advised as something not to use during testing
If both of these tests are time-consuming to apply and we should only use them as "training wheels" and not actually on test day, what strategies should we be using to approach these questions in timed conditions?
Love how they never reply to these types of questions lol. They show us the basics and say good luck! Really wish they did more to help us through the process/ #feedback
@sophiaaliang333 It seems like whenever timing comes into question, the big picture idea is that we practice enough that the logic becomes intuitive for each answer type. So I think the answer to your question here is to practice with the "training wheels" of these methods so much that eventually it just becomes intuitive logic and you don't need to use the "training wheels."
Subscribe to unlock everything that 7Sage has to offer.
Hold on there, stranger! You need a free account for that.
We love that you want to get going. Just create a free account below—it only takes a minute—and then you can continue!
Hold on there, stranger! You need a free account for that.
We love that you came here to read all the amazing posts from our 300,000+ members. They all have accounts too! Just create a free account below—it only takes a minute—and then you’re free to discuss anything!
Hold on there, stranger! You need a free account for that.
We love that you want to give us feedback! Just create a free account below—it only takes a minute—and then you’re free to vote on this!
Hold on there, you need to slow down.
We love that you want post in our discussion forum! Just come back in a bit to post again!
Sorry, you need a subscription for that.
Happens all the time: now that you've had a taste of the lessons, you just can't stop -- and you don't have to! Click the button.
22 comments
Can someone provide an example of an answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary?
@jennawiese Sure! Let's say the conclusion is "I am a really good baker."
An answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary is "I have baked for the past 15 years and won several international baking competitions." This definitely supports the conclusion and could arguably be considered sufficient, but it is not necessary.
There are other ways to be considered a really good baker! What if you haven't won any international baking competitions, but you've been baking for the past 30 years and own your own bakery?
Hope that helps.
feels like I'm being sent out for war
What makes the "must be true" test time consuming? I don't see any additional steps it involves compared to just doing the question without that test. I get why negation might add an additional step, but not "must be true."
praying this NA battle is better than SA...........
Thank You. Good luck guys
With necessary assumption questions ask: Is it necessary? Doesn't matter if it supports or not.
time to go to war with this one
this is alot easier after the SA section that almost made me die
Alrighty according to the two pre tests I took before knowing of 7sage one of my weekest sections is this one Necessary assumptions, this is what I signed for =) thanks for the knwoledge by the way
"i wish you good luck" bro after the sufficient assumption module i need a miracle
@kimwexler that module genuinely made me rethink things
would you ever get in the answer choices a SA and a weak NA or something?
wow he's really getting us all hyped up for these questions! Love it!
Why spectrum of support go the other way then in all the previous lessons.
fug this is messing with my head while trying to learn a new concept.
Would the negation test be something that could also be used on "Must be True" questions? Since on both NA and MBT questions we have to find a missing premise or assumption that must be true given the argument?
so were not to use the negation test right off the bat? then what are we supposed to use? i thought the negation test was a great way to find the answer right off the bat
@LadyShiva yeah! Use the negation technique for practice, but in the long run, we have to actually figure out why the answer choice is necessary for the argument. ik ik. I was also told sometimes the negation test doesnt work for 5 star questions because of the pesky test writer's ability to hide the right answers
What other way would you determine an AC is necessary other than negating..when you ask yourself is it necessary you're automatically negating no? even if subconsciously...not sure why this as advised as something not to use during testing
If both of these tests are time-consuming to apply and we should only use them as "training wheels" and not actually on test day, what strategies should we be using to approach these questions in timed conditions?
Love how they never reply to these types of questions lol. They show us the basics and say good luck! Really wish they did more to help us through the process/ #feedback
@sophiaaliang333 It seems like whenever timing comes into question, the big picture idea is that we practice enough that the logic becomes intuitive for each answer type. So I think the answer to your question here is to practice with the "training wheels" of these methods so much that eventually it just becomes intuitive logic and you don't need to use the "training wheels."