If both of these tests are time-consuming to apply and we should only use them as "training wheels" and not actually on test day, what strategies should we be using to approach these questions in timed conditions?
Love how they never reply to these types of questions lol. They show us the basics and say good luck! Really wish they did more to help us through the process/ #feedback
@sophiaaliang333 It seems like whenever timing comes into question, the big picture idea is that we practice enough that the logic becomes intuitive for each answer type. So I think the answer to your question here is to practice with the "training wheels" of these methods so much that eventually it just becomes intuitive logic and you don't need to use the "training wheels."
Alrighty according to the two pre tests I took before knowing of 7sage one of my weekest sections is this one Necessary assumptions, this is what I signed for =) thanks for the knwoledge by the way
so were not to use the negation test right off the bat? then what are we supposed to use? i thought the negation test was a great way to find the answer right off the bat
@LadyShiva yeah! Use the negation technique for practice, but in the long run, we have to actually figure out why the answer choice is necessary for the argument. ik ik. I was also told sometimes the negation test doesnt work for 5 star questions because of the pesky test writer's ability to hide the right answers
feedback: I wish the written formats were more consistent in style for note taking purposes. For instance, with the SA question stem, there were "How to Approach" and "Patterns in Right/Wrong Answers" sections which is great for straightforward notes. With this stem however, everything is embedded and it's also difficult to tell how our approach differs from that of the SA stem. (I know they're very similar but even the small differences in approach is how we can make strides in understanding).
@jennawiese Sure! Let's say the conclusion is "I am a really good baker."
An answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary is "I have baked for the past 15 years and won several international baking competitions." This definitely supports the conclusion and could arguably be considered sufficient, but it is not necessary.
There are other ways to be considered a really good baker! What if you haven't won any international baking competitions, but you've been baking for the past 30 years and own your own bakery?
What makes the "must be true" test time consuming? I don't see any additional steps it involves compared to just doing the question without that test. I get why negation might add an additional step, but not "must be true."
Would the negation test be something that could also be used on "Must be True" questions? Since on both NA and MBT questions we have to find a missing premise or assumption that must be true given the argument?
What other way would you determine an AC is necessary other than negating..when you ask yourself is it necessary you're automatically negating no? even if subconsciously...not sure why this as advised as something not to use during testing
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"i wish you good luck" bro after the sufficient assumption module i need a miracle
@kimwexler that module genuinely made me rethink things
feels like I'm being sent out for war
If both of these tests are time-consuming to apply and we should only use them as "training wheels" and not actually on test day, what strategies should we be using to approach these questions in timed conditions?
Love how they never reply to these types of questions lol. They show us the basics and say good luck! Really wish they did more to help us through the process/ #feedback
@sophiaaliang333 It seems like whenever timing comes into question, the big picture idea is that we practice enough that the logic becomes intuitive for each answer type. So I think the answer to your question here is to practice with the "training wheels" of these methods so much that eventually it just becomes intuitive logic and you don't need to use the "training wheels."
praying this NA battle is better than SA...........
this is alot easier after the SA section that almost made me die
Alrighty according to the two pre tests I took before knowing of 7sage one of my weekest sections is this one Necessary assumptions, this is what I signed for =) thanks for the knwoledge by the way
With necessary assumption questions ask: Is it necessary? Doesn't matter if it supports or not.
I feel like we can conclude that the negation test is necessary but not sufficient :)
Thank You. Good luck guys
time to go to war with this one
so were not to use the negation test right off the bat? then what are we supposed to use? i thought the negation test was a great way to find the answer right off the bat
@LadyShiva yeah! Use the negation technique for practice, but in the long run, we have to actually figure out why the answer choice is necessary for the argument. ik ik. I was also told sometimes the negation test doesnt work for 5 star questions because of the pesky test writer's ability to hide the right answers
wow he's really getting us all hyped up for these questions! Love it!
Objectively this looks easier than sufficient, we will see once I get some of these questions.
feedback: I wish the written formats were more consistent in style for note taking purposes. For instance, with the SA question stem, there were "How to Approach" and "Patterns in Right/Wrong Answers" sections which is great for straightforward notes. With this stem however, everything is embedded and it's also difficult to tell how our approach differs from that of the SA stem. (I know they're very similar but even the small differences in approach is how we can make strides in understanding).
Can someone provide an example of an answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary?
@jennawiese Sure! Let's say the conclusion is "I am a really good baker."
An answer choice that would strengthen but not be necessary is "I have baked for the past 15 years and won several international baking competitions." This definitely supports the conclusion and could arguably be considered sufficient, but it is not necessary.
There are other ways to be considered a really good baker! What if you haven't won any international baking competitions, but you've been baking for the past 30 years and own your own bakery?
Hope that helps.
What makes the "must be true" test time consuming? I don't see any additional steps it involves compared to just doing the question without that test. I get why negation might add an additional step, but not "must be true."
would you ever get in the answer choices a SA and a weak NA or something?
Would the negation test be something that could also be used on "Must be True" questions? Since on both NA and MBT questions we have to find a missing premise or assumption that must be true given the argument?
What other way would you determine an AC is necessary other than negating..when you ask yourself is it necessary you're automatically negating no? even if subconsciously...not sure why this as advised as something not to use during testing
Why spectrum of support go the other way then in all the previous lessons.
fug this is messing with my head while trying to learn a new concept.