Wow I can't believe I'm getting the hang of this already. I would've had no idea what the question is asking if I saw it in the very beginning of the course
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
I picked E, and I was torn between A and E. Now I get it, but man I feel like I'm just not getting this stuff. My gut told me A at first, but as always went for the wrong answer
@SZavala I feel you because when I just trust myself and not overthink I have the answers, but the moment I think for a second too long I change it to "be safe" and it is wrong. And I am breaking down the statements, but I am just mentally disconnected today.
@GSUDREAM I picked E as well. My issue was that I read the stimulus and didn't 100% fully understand it before trying to answer the question stem. I correctly identified the main conclusion but misidentified the subsidiary conclusion which caused me to choose the wrong answer.
Ugh I got this wrong. I didn't really know what a subsidiary conclusion met and I only really focused on the main conclusion. This was very hard for my brain to break down.
@SamanthaFinjap I struggled with this as well. I was also confused with subsidiary conclusion but I’m trying to remember if a claim contains a conclusion but also gives support to another conclusion it is subsidiary or second to the main conclusion it supports.
I got this question right, but can someone explain to me why the first sentance is a premise instead of context? In the video explanation, I understand that it is being used as evidence to support the sub-conclusion, but I feel like it is tricky because the way I saw it was table-setting context. If someone could break it down further for me that would be great!
@NatashaChander-Levy Could be wrong here but I think it’s a premise because what follows is a sub-conclusion. It’s not context to a premise and main conclusion.
It’s its own premise to its own conclusion. That’s how I saw it and got the answer right as well.
I did find it odd that in the section testing what we’ve learned so far, we’re introduced to sub conclusions. It was surprising to see a correct answer choice involving a concept not yet covered.
I picked E because one I didn't know what a subsidiary conclusion was, but using context clues I picked E because I thought it was what A was saying and my mind thought A said what E had said, if that makes sense
Sub-conclusion gives AND receives support, conclusion just receives support. We know that "This photographic evidence indicates that there is a warm sea beneath Europa's icy surface" is not the conclusion due to the last sentence . Like J.Y. said the phrase receives support from the fact there is photographic evidence, this same evidence gives support that there may be life. This is why it's considered a sub-conclusion
I got confused because I mistakenly rode off the first sentence as "context" and not as a possible premise for the sentence that followed. Any thoughts/advice on that? Can context serve as both context and a premise? After reviewing the video, I thought it made more sense esp given that I missed the words "indicates that.." which I should've known is a conclusion and had to be supported by another claim (1st sentence.)
One of the biggest ways to figure out if a sentence is "Context" is to see if the sentence is in the author's POV or "voice". The first sentence is not context because it is the definition of Premise that they gave in the summary a couple slides back that is a "statement providing support for another statement" which this sentence is. If the first statement were something like "Some scientists claim that....." then it would change the structure of the entire passage. Let me know if that makes sense.
This is an "identify the role" question type. The phrase "figures" is this question type's indicator. My steps then are to locate the sentence being questioned, identify the MAIN conclusion, and how said identified sentence's relationship IS to the main conclusion. My trouble, however, is not seeing any sub-conclusion sentences/indicators and only looking out for MCs. I see now that the phrase "indicates that" is an indicator for SC.
at first i chose e. felt it was right, did anonymous review and chose d, knew d was wrong becasue of the word "only", but i thought e was right because it seemed like it supported the claim that "so there is reason to believe that there may be life on Europa.", and that the subconclusion was "The presence of such a sea is thought by scientists to be a primary factor in the early development of life, ", but after submitting it and knowing i got both blind review and regular wrong, i tried again without looking at the right asner and retook it, i chose A, which is correct, becasue after a little more time to read, i was trying to be a speed demon and do POE quickly, but i need to take my time. Anyway, I chose A because after carefully re-reading, A is its own claim, own conclusion, that also supports the last sentence, which is the conclusion, and the in-between sentence serves as some sort of support, so.. yeah
no way, if only I took my time reading the question and all of the choices, I keep rushing myself for no reason right now. I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCLUSION, PREMISE!!! WHEN I TOOK MY TIME!!!
@IVM781 Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. Before using 7sage i read through the Powerscore books, and one thing they covered was the importance of pacing yourself based on your accuracy. If taking your time to complete 16/26 LR questions means you get all 16 of those you worked on right, but rushing through all 26 means you make little mistakes and get only 14/26 right, then taking your time is worth it in the long run. Speed will come; practice for accuracy first!!
Really like how everything you taught in this section made this question a breeze. Really helped breaking everything down individually and understanding it
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I get the questions correct but I need to work on answering them fast
GUYS ITS WORKING IM GETTING THESE RIGHT
Wow I can't believe I'm getting the hang of this already. I would've had no idea what the question is asking if I saw it in the very beginning of the course
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
@madeinkeaven !!!!!!!!
I picked E, and I was torn between A and E. Now I get it, but man I feel like I'm just not getting this stuff. My gut told me A at first, but as always went for the wrong answer
@SZavala I feel the same way, but man we putting the work in , we gone be good!
@SZavala I feel you because when I just trust myself and not overthink I have the answers, but the moment I think for a second too long I change it to "be safe" and it is wrong. And I am breaking down the statements, but I am just mentally disconnected today.
@Dpolanco happens to me all the time!
@SZavala I picked E too. Kinda feeling a bit frustrated not being able to get it so fast.
@GSUDREAM I picked E as well. My issue was that I read the stimulus and didn't 100% fully understand it before trying to answer the question stem. I correctly identified the main conclusion but misidentified the subsidiary conclusion which caused me to choose the wrong answer.
Feel like Daniel La Russo learning the wax on wax off method
Got it wrong then blind reviewed and got it right!
Ugh I got this wrong. I didn't really know what a subsidiary conclusion met and I only really focused on the main conclusion. This was very hard for my brain to break down.
@SamanthaFinjap I struggled with this as well. I was also confused with subsidiary conclusion but I’m trying to remember if a claim contains a conclusion but also gives support to another conclusion it is subsidiary or second to the main conclusion it supports.
@SamanthaFinjap Same here - we haven't really discussed it up to this point so it was slightly difficult.
@SamanthaFinjap the first sentence felt like context to me, not a premise.
I got this question right, but can someone explain to me why the first sentance is a premise instead of context? In the video explanation, I understand that it is being used as evidence to support the sub-conclusion, but I feel like it is tricky because the way I saw it was table-setting context. If someone could break it down further for me that would be great!
@NatashaChander-Levy Could be wrong here but I think it’s a premise because what follows is a sub-conclusion. It’s not context to a premise and main conclusion.
It’s its own premise to its own conclusion. That’s how I saw it and got the answer right as well.
I did find it odd that in the section testing what we’ve learned so far, we’re introduced to sub conclusions. It was surprising to see a correct answer choice involving a concept not yet covered.
I picked E because one I didn't know what a subsidiary conclusion was, but using context clues I picked E because I thought it was what A was saying and my mind thought A said what E had said, if that makes sense
Sub-conclusion gives AND receives support, conclusion just receives support. We know that "This photographic evidence indicates that there is a warm sea beneath Europa's icy surface" is not the conclusion due to the last sentence . Like J.Y. said the phrase receives support from the fact there is photographic evidence, this same evidence gives support that there may be life. This is why it's considered a sub-conclusion
I was thinking the first sentence was just context, not a premise for the subsidiary conclusion.
Note to self: Subsidiary and Subsequent are not synonyms.
@Arkavian I thought the exact same thing!
@Arkavian that got me too
I was very shocked I got it correct. I wasn’t confident, but none of the other answers could be true.
I got the two answers correct fairly easily, but I need to move much quicker than I did to answer them due to the time constraints of the LSAT.
@Feitan Same, hopefully with more practice and exposure timing will be reduced. it took me 7 minutes.
@Feitan Do not worry about timing so soon, assuming you just started your LSAT journey. Accuracy is the key at this point in time.
I got confused because I mistakenly rode off the first sentence as "context" and not as a possible premise for the sentence that followed. Any thoughts/advice on that? Can context serve as both context and a premise? After reviewing the video, I thought it made more sense esp given that I missed the words "indicates that.." which I should've known is a conclusion and had to be supported by another claim (1st sentence.)
I have the same question - can context be both a premise and context?
One of the biggest ways to figure out if a sentence is "Context" is to see if the sentence is in the author's POV or "voice". The first sentence is not context because it is the definition of Premise that they gave in the summary a couple slides back that is a "statement providing support for another statement" which this sentence is. If the first statement were something like "Some scientists claim that....." then it would change the structure of the entire passage. Let me know if that makes sense.
So basically as a rule of thumb, if they don't mention an outside "source" for the context, it's more likely part of the premise?
This is an "identify the role" question type. The phrase "figures" is this question type's indicator. My steps then are to locate the sentence being questioned, identify the MAIN conclusion, and how said identified sentence's relationship IS to the main conclusion. My trouble, however, is not seeing any sub-conclusion sentences/indicators and only looking out for MCs. I see now that the phrase "indicates that" is an indicator for SC.
at first i chose e. felt it was right, did anonymous review and chose d, knew d was wrong becasue of the word "only", but i thought e was right because it seemed like it supported the claim that "so there is reason to believe that there may be life on Europa.", and that the subconclusion was "The presence of such a sea is thought by scientists to be a primary factor in the early development of life, ", but after submitting it and knowing i got both blind review and regular wrong, i tried again without looking at the right asner and retook it, i chose A, which is correct, becasue after a little more time to read, i was trying to be a speed demon and do POE quickly, but i need to take my time. Anyway, I chose A because after carefully re-reading, A is its own claim, own conclusion, that also supports the last sentence, which is the conclusion, and the in-between sentence serves as some sort of support, so.. yeah
no way, if only I took my time reading the question and all of the choices, I keep rushing myself for no reason right now. I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCLUSION, PREMISE!!! WHEN I TOOK MY TIME!!!
@IVM781 Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. Before using 7sage i read through the Powerscore books, and one thing they covered was the importance of pacing yourself based on your accuracy. If taking your time to complete 16/26 LR questions means you get all 16 of those you worked on right, but rushing through all 26 means you make little mistakes and get only 14/26 right, then taking your time is worth it in the long run. Speed will come; practice for accuracy first!!
Yay! I feel better about this one than the first one actually LOL
Got this one! focusing on nailing the points, identifying each piece of the argument, then ill focus on doing it quicker with more practice!
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@JohnThorn you got this!
Really like how everything you taught in this section made this question a breeze. Really helped breaking everything down individually and understanding it
I got it right but I was 00:52 over, E was tripping me up a bit.