This is an "identify the role" question type. The phrase "figures" is this question type's indicator. My steps then are to locate the sentence being questioned, identify the MAIN conclusion, and how said identified sentence's relationship IS to the main conclusion. My trouble, however, is not seeing any sub-conclusion sentences/indicators and only looking out for MCs. I see now that the phrase "indicates that" is an indicator for SC.
at first i chose e. felt it was right, did anonymous review and chose d, knew d was wrong becasue of the word "only", but i thought e was right because it seemed like it supported the claim that "so there is reason to believe that there may be life on Europa.", and that the subconclusion was "The presence of such a sea is thought by scientists to be a primary factor in the early development of life, ", but after submitting it and knowing i got both blind review and regular wrong, i tried again without looking at the right asner and retook it, i chose A, which is correct, becasue after a little more time to read, i was trying to be a speed demon and do POE quickly, but i need to take my time. Anyway, I chose A because after carefully re-reading, A is its own claim, own conclusion, that also supports the last sentence, which is the conclusion, and the in-between sentence serves as some sort of support, so.. yeah
Limited my answer choices to only A & D, got the first answer wrong, and got the blind review correct. The Subsidiary conclusion made sense, but also tricked my mind at the same time lol.
I think I'm going to skip the blind review, it makes me second guess myself and I don't really see the purpose? I got the question correct thankfully but can someone please explain the purpose of blind review to me.
no way, if only I took my time reading the question and all of the choices, I keep rushing myself for no reason right now. I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCLUSION, PREMISE!!! WHEN I TOOK MY TIME!!!
@IVM781 Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. Before using 7sage i read through the Powerscore books, and one thing they covered was the importance of pacing yourself based on your accuracy. If taking your time to complete 16/26 LR questions means you get all 16 of those you worked on right, but rushing through all 26 means you make little mistakes and get only 14/26 right, then taking your time is worth it in the long run. Speed will come; practice for accuracy first!!
Took me a bit longer on this one because the word "subsidiary" lol - I'm not ashamed to have went straight to the dictionary! But I'm proud to have chosen the right answer, as answer D almost got me but the word "only" stuck out like a sore thumb
Read question first and found in the stimulus where that exact phrase was used
Looking to stimulus I analyzed the structure as a two part argument. The subsidiary conclusion being the warm sea under the service supported by the photographs/buckling and the main conclusion being that their may be life on Europa supported by the warm sea sub conclusion
Now looking to the answer choices:
I picked A as it follows exactly my outline I have made above.
B I felt was incorrect because I thought that everything leads to the author talking about life on this moon. It funnels into this conclusion much more than the idea of warm seas. Warm seas is also the only direct support for the idea of life. The photographs and topography support the warm sea conclusion more and thus indirectly supports the main conclusion.
C: Completely incorrect. There is no counterpoint in this stimulus
D: When I saw the word "ONLY" immediately crossed out this answer. As stated before there is indirect support from the photograph
E: I think this could get some folk. The highlighted phrase is support for the "MAIN" conclusion imo.
I ended up getting this right but felt uneasy before answering. I was struggling a little finding the actual conclusion to this. Once I realized the warm sea statement wasn't the main conclusion but an "in between" conclusion is when it hit me that it was A.
@coconut Yes, i think that the first sentence is a premise for the subconclusion (that there is a warm sea beneath the planet's surface). So, E would be accurate if the stem had asked about the first sentence.
I was in between A and E and end up choosing E. I didn't understand the answer that much but i knew that that statement was supporting the premise to present the conclusion. I got it right for the blind review though.
okay so I learn that a is saying it is a sub conclusion supporting the main conclusion
while E is saying it is a premise for a sub conclusion
I liked this question especially because I was looking for it to have contextual information since the previous lessons were about that. So i answered thinking maybe context could be used as premise, which was not taught in any lesson. I ended up getting it right but for the wrong reasons.
After the explanation I realized I should have went went my first instinct and treated the first sentence as a premise which it was.
Just like the test itself, these practice tests (lessons) won't give you hint's of their format or contents so we can only rely on what we are reading in that question; And not think previous questions or lessons are providing guidance (like me expecting to find contextual info).
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
@180-Energy This is useful once you've gotten more experience with different question types. It won't make much difference in the first half of your studies, though.
@isabellagirjikian i break down the passage in the context, premise and conclusion first. then i ask myself what is the main argument being made. In this question i feel like on first reading one would think the warm sea is the conclusion however the warm sea is a premise (more accurately a sub conclusion) that there is life on this moon. my anxiety sky rockets on these questions but just go back to your fundamentals and take it one sentence at a time.
@isabellagirjikian i like to read the question first to get a sense of what i'm really looking to answer, then read the stimulus, then read the answer choices. i deliberately try to make sure I am highlighting the conclusion in the stimulus and premises different colors.
@isabellagirjikian I've found that reading the question first works better for finding exactly what you need, aka to skip over the things you don't need. I've been told to do this since elementary school for state testing.
Breaking down the passage into sections is always best.
Are there two major premises in this? 1) The sentence that "indicates that there is a warm sea" (also the subsidiary conclusion) and 2) the warm sea is a primary factor in the early dev of life. Both supporting the Major Conclusion that we should believe there's life on Europa?
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This is an "identify the role" question type. The phrase "figures" is this question type's indicator. My steps then are to locate the sentence being questioned, identify the MAIN conclusion, and how said identified sentence's relationship IS to the main conclusion. My trouble, however, is not seeing any sub-conclusion sentences/indicators and only looking out for MCs. I see now that the phrase "indicates that" is an indicator for SC.
I get the questions correct but I need to work on answering them fast
at first i chose e. felt it was right, did anonymous review and chose d, knew d was wrong becasue of the word "only", but i thought e was right because it seemed like it supported the claim that "so there is reason to believe that there may be life on Europa.", and that the subconclusion was "The presence of such a sea is thought by scientists to be a primary factor in the early development of life, ", but after submitting it and knowing i got both blind review and regular wrong, i tried again without looking at the right asner and retook it, i chose A, which is correct, becasue after a little more time to read, i was trying to be a speed demon and do POE quickly, but i need to take my time. Anyway, I chose A because after carefully re-reading, A is its own claim, own conclusion, that also supports the last sentence, which is the conclusion, and the in-between sentence serves as some sort of support, so.. yeah
Limited my answer choices to only A & D, got the first answer wrong, and got the blind review correct. The Subsidiary conclusion made sense, but also tricked my mind at the same time lol.
I think I'm going to skip the blind review, it makes me second guess myself and I don't really see the purpose? I got the question correct thankfully but can someone please explain the purpose of blind review to me.
@KayMM 7Sage explains the purpose of blind review in a post/page somwhere
Got it wrong but then got it right during the blind review. I need to slow down lol.
no way, if only I took my time reading the question and all of the choices, I keep rushing myself for no reason right now. I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCLUSION, PREMISE!!! WHEN I TOOK MY TIME!!!
@IVM781 Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. Before using 7sage i read through the Powerscore books, and one thing they covered was the importance of pacing yourself based on your accuracy. If taking your time to complete 16/26 LR questions means you get all 16 of those you worked on right, but rushing through all 26 means you make little mistakes and get only 14/26 right, then taking your time is worth it in the long run. Speed will come; practice for accuracy first!!
Took me a bit longer on this one because the word "subsidiary" lol - I'm not ashamed to have went straight to the dictionary! But I'm proud to have chosen the right answer, as answer D almost got me but the word "only" stuck out like a sore thumb
Read question first and found in the stimulus where that exact phrase was used
Looking to stimulus I analyzed the structure as a two part argument. The subsidiary conclusion being the warm sea under the service supported by the photographs/buckling and the main conclusion being that their may be life on Europa supported by the warm sea sub conclusion
Now looking to the answer choices:
I picked A as it follows exactly my outline I have made above.
B I felt was incorrect because I thought that everything leads to the author talking about life on this moon. It funnels into this conclusion much more than the idea of warm seas. Warm seas is also the only direct support for the idea of life. The photographs and topography support the warm sea conclusion more and thus indirectly supports the main conclusion.
C: Completely incorrect. There is no counterpoint in this stimulus
D: When I saw the word "ONLY" immediately crossed out this answer. As stated before there is indirect support from the photograph
E: I think this could get some folk. The highlighted phrase is support for the "MAIN" conclusion imo.
@SamuelGallegos omg how did you create that outline so quickly in your head... Time is my biggest enemy
I ended up getting this right but felt uneasy before answering. I was struggling a little finding the actual conclusion to this. Once I realized the warm sea statement wasn't the main conclusion but an "in between" conclusion is when it hit me that it was A.
i chose E at first, and then i got it right during BR. had the stem asked about the first sentence instead, the correct answer would be E, right?
@coconut Yes, i think that the first sentence is a premise for the subconclusion (that there is a warm sea beneath the planet's surface). So, E would be accurate if the stem had asked about the first sentence.
I was in between A and E and end up choosing E. I didn't understand the answer that much but i knew that that statement was supporting the premise to present the conclusion. I got it right for the blind review though.
okay so I learn that a is saying it is a sub conclusion supporting the main conclusion
while E is saying it is a premise for a sub conclusion
I liked this question especially because I was looking for it to have contextual information since the previous lessons were about that. So i answered thinking maybe context could be used as premise, which was not taught in any lesson. I ended up getting it right but for the wrong reasons.
After the explanation I realized I should have went went my first instinct and treated the first sentence as a premise which it was.
Just like the test itself, these practice tests (lessons) won't give you hint's of their format or contents so we can only rely on what we are reading in that question; And not think previous questions or lessons are providing guidance (like me expecting to find contextual info).
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
Got it wrong then blind reviewed and got it right!
I notice in the explanations he reads the questions first then moves to the paragraphs. Should we do it in this order when responding to questions?
@180-Energy This is useful once you've gotten more experience with different question types. It won't make much difference in the first half of your studies, though.
Yay! I feel better about this one than the first one actually LOL
Any recommendations for you guys breaking down the passage? Having 0/2 now and am getting confused :/
@isabellagirjikian i break down the passage in the context, premise and conclusion first. then i ask myself what is the main argument being made. In this question i feel like on first reading one would think the warm sea is the conclusion however the warm sea is a premise (more accurately a sub conclusion) that there is life on this moon. my anxiety sky rockets on these questions but just go back to your fundamentals and take it one sentence at a time.
@isabellagirjikian i like to read the question first to get a sense of what i'm really looking to answer, then read the stimulus, then read the answer choices. i deliberately try to make sure I am highlighting the conclusion in the stimulus and premises different colors.
@isabellagirjikian I've found that reading the question first works better for finding exactly what you need, aka to skip over the things you don't need. I've been told to do this since elementary school for state testing.
Breaking down the passage into sections is always best.
got it right! :)
I got it right but I was 00:52 over, E was tripping me up a bit.
Got this one! focusing on nailing the points, identifying each piece of the argument, then ill focus on doing it quicker with more practice!
I got it right, but was +1:12 over :/ bc D and E were tripping me up, but atleast i got it right.
1/1 LETS GO
Are there two major premises in this? 1) The sentence that "indicates that there is a warm sea" (also the subsidiary conclusion) and 2) the warm sea is a primary factor in the early dev of life. Both supporting the Major Conclusion that we should believe there's life on Europa?
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@JohnThorn you got this!