Read question first and found in the stimulus where that exact phrase was used
Looking to stimulus I analyzed the structure as a two part argument. The subsidiary conclusion being the warm sea under the service supported by the photographs/buckling and the main conclusion being that their may be life on Europa supported by the warm sea sub conclusion
Now looking to the answer choices:
I picked A as it follows exactly my outline I have made above.
B I felt was incorrect because I thought that everything leads to the author talking about life on this moon. It funnels into this conclusion much more than the idea of warm seas. Warm seas is also the only direct support for the idea of life. The photographs and topography support the warm sea conclusion more and thus indirectly supports the main conclusion.
C: Completely incorrect. There is no counterpoint in this stimulus
D: When I saw the word "ONLY" immediately crossed out this answer. As stated before there is indirect support from the photograph
E: I think this could get some folk. The highlighted phrase is support for the "MAIN" conclusion imo.
I ended up getting this right but felt uneasy before answering. I was struggling a little finding the actual conclusion to this. Once I realized the warm sea statement wasn't the main conclusion but an "in between" conclusion is when it hit me that it was A.
I was in between A and E and end up choosing E. I didn't understand the answer that much but i knew that that statement was supporting the premise to present the conclusion. I got it right for the blind review though.
okay so I learn that a is saying it is a sub conclusion supporting the main conclusion
while E is saying it is a premise for a sub conclusion
I liked this question especially because I was looking for it to have contextual information since the previous lessons were about that. So i answered thinking maybe context could be used as premise, which was not taught in any lesson. I ended up getting it right but for the wrong reasons.
After the explanation I realized I should have went went my first instinct and treated the first sentence as a premise which it was.
Just like the test itself, these practice tests (lessons) won't give you hint's of their format or contents so we can only rely on what we are reading in that question; And not think previous questions or lessons are providing guidance (like me expecting to find contextual info).
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
@180-Energy This is useful once you've gotten more experience with different question types. It won't make much difference in the first half of your studies, though.
@isabellagirjikian i break down the passage in the context, premise and conclusion first. then i ask myself what is the main argument being made. In this question i feel like on first reading one would think the warm sea is the conclusion however the warm sea is a premise (more accurately a sub conclusion) that there is life on this moon. my anxiety sky rockets on these questions but just go back to your fundamentals and take it one sentence at a time.
@isabellagirjikian i like to read the question first to get a sense of what i'm really looking to answer, then read the stimulus, then read the answer choices. i deliberately try to make sure I am highlighting the conclusion in the stimulus and premises different colors.
Are there two major premises in this? 1) The sentence that "indicates that there is a warm sea" (also the subsidiary conclusion) and 2) the warm sea is a primary factor in the early dev of life. Both supporting the Major Conclusion that we should believe there's life on Europa?
Got this one right. I was a minute and 22 seconds over, though. At first, I picked B, as I thought that the first conclusion was the main conclusion, but I read the entire passage. So A, is the subsidiary conclusion from the first premise that supports the main conclusion, "so there is a reason to believe that there may be life on Europa".
I picked E, and I was torn between A and E. Now I get it, but man I feel like I'm just not getting this stuff. My gut told me A at first, but as always went for the wrong answer
@SZavala I feel you because when I just trust myself and not overthink I have the answers, but the moment I think for a second too long I change it to "be safe" and it is wrong. And I am breaking down the statements, but I am just mentally disconnected today.
Ugh I got this wrong. I didn't really know what a subsidiary conclusion met and I only really focused on the main conclusion. This was very hard for my brain to break down.
@SamanthaFinjap I struggled with this as well. I was also confused with subsidiary conclusion but I’m trying to remember if a claim contains a conclusion but also gives support to another conclusion it is subsidiary or second to the main conclusion it supports.
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Read question first and found in the stimulus where that exact phrase was used
Looking to stimulus I analyzed the structure as a two part argument. The subsidiary conclusion being the warm sea under the service supported by the photographs/buckling and the main conclusion being that their may be life on Europa supported by the warm sea sub conclusion
Now looking to the answer choices:
I picked A as it follows exactly my outline I have made above.
B I felt was incorrect because I thought that everything leads to the author talking about life on this moon. It funnels into this conclusion much more than the idea of warm seas. Warm seas is also the only direct support for the idea of life. The photographs and topography support the warm sea conclusion more and thus indirectly supports the main conclusion.
C: Completely incorrect. There is no counterpoint in this stimulus
D: When I saw the word "ONLY" immediately crossed out this answer. As stated before there is indirect support from the photograph
E: I think this could get some folk. The highlighted phrase is support for the "MAIN" conclusion imo.
I ended up getting this right but felt uneasy before answering. I was struggling a little finding the actual conclusion to this. Once I realized the warm sea statement wasn't the main conclusion but an "in between" conclusion is when it hit me that it was A.
i chose E at first, and then i got it right during BR. had the stem asked about the first sentence instead, the correct answer would be E, right?
I was in between A and E and end up choosing E. I didn't understand the answer that much but i knew that that statement was supporting the premise to present the conclusion. I got it right for the blind review though.
okay so I learn that a is saying it is a sub conclusion supporting the main conclusion
while E is saying it is a premise for a sub conclusion
I liked this question especially because I was looking for it to have contextual information since the previous lessons were about that. So i answered thinking maybe context could be used as premise, which was not taught in any lesson. I ended up getting it right but for the wrong reasons.
After the explanation I realized I should have went went my first instinct and treated the first sentence as a premise which it was.
Just like the test itself, these practice tests (lessons) won't give you hint's of their format or contents so we can only rely on what we are reading in that question; And not think previous questions or lessons are providing guidance (like me expecting to find contextual info).
Something that I'm working on overcoming is working through these questions too quickly. For some reason, I'm getting in my own head and believing that these practice questions are strictly timed, but frankly, we're only a few hours into studying, so we should be focused on comprehending the fundamentals rather than working with the efficiency of a master; that'll come once we have the basics down! Give yourself grace and understanding!
Got it wrong then blind reviewed and got it right!
I notice in the explanations he reads the questions first then moves to the paragraphs. Should we do it in this order when responding to questions?
@180-Energy This is useful once you've gotten more experience with different question types. It won't make much difference in the first half of your studies, though.
Yay! I feel better about this one than the first one actually LOL
Any recommendations for you guys breaking down the passage? Having 0/2 now and am getting confused :/
@isabellagirjikian i break down the passage in the context, premise and conclusion first. then i ask myself what is the main argument being made. In this question i feel like on first reading one would think the warm sea is the conclusion however the warm sea is a premise (more accurately a sub conclusion) that there is life on this moon. my anxiety sky rockets on these questions but just go back to your fundamentals and take it one sentence at a time.
@isabellagirjikian i like to read the question first to get a sense of what i'm really looking to answer, then read the stimulus, then read the answer choices. i deliberately try to make sure I am highlighting the conclusion in the stimulus and premises different colors.
got it right! :)
I got it right but I was 00:52 over, E was tripping me up a bit.
Got this one! focusing on nailing the points, identifying each piece of the argument, then ill focus on doing it quicker with more practice!
I got it right, but was +1:12 over :/ bc D and E were tripping me up, but atleast i got it right.
1/1 LETS GO
Are there two major premises in this? 1) The sentence that "indicates that there is a warm sea" (also the subsidiary conclusion) and 2) the warm sea is a primary factor in the early dev of life. Both supporting the Major Conclusion that we should believe there's life on Europa?
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@JohnThorn you got this!
Got this one right. I was a minute and 22 seconds over, though. At first, I picked B, as I thought that the first conclusion was the main conclusion, but I read the entire passage. So A, is the subsidiary conclusion from the first premise that supports the main conclusion, "so there is a reason to believe that there may be life on Europa".
Was torn between A and D for a minute, but then I felt a lightbulb going on. Feeling pretty good about identifying the premises and conclusions
Note to self: Subsidiary and Subsequent are not synonyms.
@Arkavian I thought the exact same thing!
@Arkavian that got me too
this photographic was the conclusion
I got the two answers correct fairly easily, but I need to move much quicker than I did to answer them due to the time constraints of the LSAT.
@Feitan Same, hopefully with more practice and exposure timing will be reduced. it took me 7 minutes.
@Feitan Do not worry about timing so soon, assuming you just started your LSAT journey. Accuracy is the key at this point in time.
I picked E, and I was torn between A and E. Now I get it, but man I feel like I'm just not getting this stuff. My gut told me A at first, but as always went for the wrong answer
@SZavala I feel the same way, but man we putting the work in , we gone be good!
@SZavala I feel you because when I just trust myself and not overthink I have the answers, but the moment I think for a second too long I change it to "be safe" and it is wrong. And I am breaking down the statements, but I am just mentally disconnected today.
@Dpolanco happens to me all the time!
@SZavala I picked E too. Kinda feeling a bit frustrated not being able to get it so fast.
Is consideration another word for premise? The second to last answer choice had this and was wondering.
Ugh I got this wrong. I didn't really know what a subsidiary conclusion met and I only really focused on the main conclusion. This was very hard for my brain to break down.
@SamanthaFinjap I struggled with this as well. I was also confused with subsidiary conclusion but I’m trying to remember if a claim contains a conclusion but also gives support to another conclusion it is subsidiary or second to the main conclusion it supports.
@SamanthaFinjap Same here - we haven't really discussed it up to this point so it was slightly difficult.
@SamanthaFinjap the first sentence felt like context to me, not a premise.