If this helps anyone, because I also was like whaaaat, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obtain, "intransitive verb: to be generally recognized or established : prevail"
"Those ideas no longer obtain for our generation."
"a greater degree of free expression than usually obtains in film production"
—Roger Manvell
I keep thinking, if law school doesn't work out for me, at least my vocabulary is expanding through this!
the 0 at the end of the 100 has always, and still gives me a minor heart attack for a brief moment. always tricks me into thinking i get a question wrong
I find it extremely helpful to refer back to the kinds of MOR sentence types there are. I immediately told myself that this passage was set up like a "Eliminating options/alternatives" kind which led me to A.
In the text summaries, giving alternative phrasing to show how the answer choices could be correct are v useful (e.g., here is an argument that (E) would accurately describe). I often struggle most with understanding the phrasing of the answer choices, so examples are useful - thanks!
I got 10 seconds below the time since I knew it was a conclusion.... and answer A was the only one that states it was a conclusion.
I realize this won't work most of the time, but I have gotten many answers correct in this manner- but is this something I can rely on during the exam?
@Catpop Youre on the right path. One thing id recommend from the previous lesson is that A also used a conclusion descriptor and a premise descriptor. The premise indicator "by" separates the two. What ive done is I compared the Conclusion descriptor to the stimulus and the Premise desc as well. Both matched and thats how I was confident it was the correct answer choice. I think the piecemeal analysis method is more reliable since a trap answer choice could also include the word conclusion in it and trip you up in the future. I hope this helps!
Isn't "only" overly inclusive in answer choice A? that was my pick but I didn't because of only. the stimulus does not use that level of certainity, even after the first event does not occur
It doesn’t say the only outcome, it says the only PROBABLE outcome. That’s kind of what did it for me, because while there may be other possible outcomes, the two most probable are stated in the stimulus.
Given that the stimulus says "virtually certain", 'only' acting as overly inclusive is reasonable. Even if we maintain that it is overly inclusive, given that there might be a 1% chance of a third company getting the contract, the other answers choices are too flimsy and so through the POE and choosing the best answer, we would arrive at this answer choice.
from what I can gather, while it does use "only", it is followed by "probable alternative". The info from the stimulus provides us with 2 probable options and out of those, only 1 is left thus how we arrive to A. Again, we can only use what the stimulus provides according to their line of logic. Just my take but hope it helps some!
B almost took me out for a second like, it looked like an inference but like there was not anything to infer bc it is stated right there if that makes sense
How would we know where we can't use splitting the conclusion and premise descriptors method?... would it just be where u do not spot a P or C in the ACs?
I wanna make sure I am not going crazy with my reasoning for eliminating B. The conclusion of the passage is also regarding what event most likely WILL occur. B states the conclusion is an event will NOT occur. I saw "will not occur" and immediately crossed it out.
AC:B does express a level of certainty that is not expressed in the stim, which is one reason that it can be eliminated. B does not respect that idea that AC and CC were "virtually certain" to be awarded the contract. It leaves some room for uncertainty, though small..
More importantly, the conclusion and premise that B describes do not match the stim. B speaks to an event it is inferring will not happen, whereas the stim is saying that it is "almost inevitable" (still expressing little uncertainty) that AC will be awarded the contract. This is what makes B wrong.
Annoyed got this wrong and it's suppose to be a easy question. Least I got the blind review right, prayerfully I get a hold of it. I'm making a list of the type of questions I need to drill before taking the lsat because there's no blind review on that.
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Still irked by the random and weird use of the word 'obtain' a few questions ago
I agree with you in ways I cannot even begin to express
it's clear from your comment on this question that your expectation of satisfaction with that question did not obtain
(didn't for me either, it was archaic as hell)
If this helps anyone, because I also was like whaaaat, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obtain, "intransitive verb: to be generally recognized or established : prevail"
"Those ideas no longer obtain for our generation."
"a greater degree of free expression than usually obtains in film production"
—Roger Manvell
I keep thinking, if law school doesn't work out for me, at least my vocabulary is expanding through this!
lmaoooo me too man me too
@evanito_ Haha, same here. I don't think I'll ever forget that word "obtain".
If A was wrong, I was going to eat my shoes. Still hungry...
@DNAlex this is the confidence i want when submitting my answers
@yesterdayseeker
Just keep it going. Cancelling my subscription now, but eeked out a 167 using this.
@DNAlex insane work king. thank you o7
Love the Suits reference!!
SUITS MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
@tommyfernandezwolff991 I was gonna skip this video because the answer seemed relatively easy, but now I have to watch it.
The lesson did a great job of illustrating the previously discussed principle, thanks JY.
I like the method of splitting the conclusion and premise descriptors. That was a very helpful tip for these types of questions.
i did not read the choices carefully omfg
This stimulus reminded me to log back into my other LSAT prep app (viz., Phoenix Wright: ACE Attorney Trilogy for Android)
Splitting the conclusion and premise descriptors definitely helped eliminate answers quicker
the 0 at the end of the 100 has always, and still gives me a minor heart attack for a brief moment. always tricks me into thinking i get a question wrong
I find it extremely helpful to refer back to the kinds of MOR sentence types there are. I immediately told myself that this passage was set up like a "Eliminating options/alternatives" kind which led me to A.
wow these MoR questions are the easiest of all, such a relief
Thought the stimulus was an Ace Attorney reference for a second...
This one seemed too good to be true haha
In the text summaries, giving alternative phrasing to show how the answer choices could be correct are v useful (e.g., here is an argument that (E) would accurately describe). I often struggle most with understanding the phrasing of the answer choices, so examples are useful - thanks!
Am I doing this right?:
I got 10 seconds below the time since I knew it was a conclusion.... and answer A was the only one that states it was a conclusion.
I realize this won't work most of the time, but I have gotten many answers correct in this manner- but is this something I can rely on during the exam?
@Catpop I think so. I'm in the same boat
@Catpop Youre on the right path. One thing id recommend from the previous lesson is that A also used a conclusion descriptor and a premise descriptor. The premise indicator "by" separates the two. What ive done is I compared the Conclusion descriptor to the stimulus and the Premise desc as well. Both matched and thats how I was confident it was the correct answer choice. I think the piecemeal analysis method is more reliable since a trap answer choice could also include the word conclusion in it and trip you up in the future. I hope this helps!
Isn't "only" overly inclusive in answer choice A? that was my pick but I didn't because of only. the stimulus does not use that level of certainity, even after the first event does not occur
#help
It doesn’t say the only outcome, it says the only PROBABLE outcome. That’s kind of what did it for me, because while there may be other possible outcomes, the two most probable are stated in the stimulus.
The "only" tripped me up to.
Given that the stimulus says "virtually certain", 'only' acting as overly inclusive is reasonable. Even if we maintain that it is overly inclusive, given that there might be a 1% chance of a third company getting the contract, the other answers choices are too flimsy and so through the POE and choosing the best answer, we would arrive at this answer choice.
Hope that helps!
from what I can gather, while it does use "only", it is followed by "probable alternative". The info from the stimulus provides us with 2 probable options and out of those, only 1 is left thus how we arrive to A. Again, we can only use what the stimulus provides according to their line of logic. Just my take but hope it helps some!
B almost took me out for a second like, it looked like an inference but like there was not anything to infer bc it is stated right there if that makes sense
How would we know where we can't use splitting the conclusion and premise descriptors method?... would it just be where u do not spot a P or C in the ACs?
Yeah if you can't fit the answer choice to the technique, then you can't really use the technique
I wanna make sure I am not going crazy with my reasoning for eliminating B. The conclusion of the passage is also regarding what event most likely WILL occur. B states the conclusion is an event will NOT occur. I saw "will not occur" and immediately crossed it out.
AC:B does express a level of certainty that is not expressed in the stim, which is one reason that it can be eliminated. B does not respect that idea that AC and CC were "virtually certain" to be awarded the contract. It leaves some room for uncertainty, though small..
More importantly, the conclusion and premise that B describes do not match the stim. B speaks to an event it is inferring will not happen, whereas the stim is saying that it is "almost inevitable" (still expressing little uncertainty) that AC will be awarded the contract. This is what makes B wrong.
Hope this helps. :)
Annoyed got this wrong and it's suppose to be a easy question. Least I got the blind review right, prayerfully I get a hold of it. I'm making a list of the type of questions I need to drill before taking the lsat because there's no blind review on that.
calm before the storm perhaps
almost picked B, but picked !
Got it right on the blind review. id dint even know that was an option LOL