Got it 14 seconds over the target time. While going through the answer choices, I immediately ruled out options B-D because they did not justify the principle. And decided not to go with A because I felt that it was using irrelevant information to justify.
I chose the correct answer within a minute and then spent 4 MINUTES triple checking i was actually right. :/ I'm not sure how to stop second guessing myself.
A - "while this style of vase is not currently sought after by other collectors..." I am taking this to mean, it is not desirable. Therefore, A seems like an appealing choice to me. Is this not a good way to think because it does not mention if Matilde desires the vase but just that other people do?
B - "although the seller is willing to take back the vase if Matilde cannot independently authenticate it..." I am taking this to mean that is not confident purchasing it. I guess this is also not the right way to think about the answer choice since it doesn't mention/allude to that she isn't confident in purchasing it.
I made quite a silly mistake in that I didn't properly read the question.
I correctly diagrammed everything, but in the back of my mind I was looking for reasons Matilde SHOULD buy the vase, completely forgot the second part of the question/diagramming
I got it wrong the first time because I didn’t understand what principle and application mean. But got it right on blind review once took some time to understand the question.
Went with C the first time around and for the Blind Review answer correct. I am not a diagram person, all of that just confuses me a little. Like sometime I get it and other times I be completely lost.
In the video explanation, the instructor says that we can immediately disregard the "and not just for its value as an investment" part, because it's impossible to be "desirable for its intrinsic value" and "just for investment" at the same time. I get it, but when the DeMorgan's Law is applied, it's a series of negated sufficient conditions where if even just one of them is true, the necessary condition follows right? So basically we're supposed to look out for any of them.
In that case, I wonder how quickly we can eliminate one of these conditions like in the video for other questions. For example, if one of these answer options was something like "Matilde read a magazine about how the vase is gaining attention in the antique market and was only excited about that", then it ticks the "just for investment" part and will be the correct answer. So at the end of the day, isn't eliminating early on a condition in DeMorgan's Law kinda risky?
@kazuhiro35 Yes I thought the same thing. It takes a little longer, but I think its definitely safer to leave the condition in to see the fuller picture. It's worth noting though, that in earlier lessons, it teaches that language the comes after "not just" will likely not take part in the answer choices.
It also states early on that things that follow "only if" especially with a conjunction of 2 conditions are much likelier to be the contested part of the problem.
If you think about it... going down the rabbit hole of "not just" actually goes a bit off script of what we've learned up to this point, so it is wiser to focus in on the conjunction & disjunction (for the contrapositive) following the necessary condition.
@kazuhiro35 But if you recognize that she was "only excited about that," then that means she is not interested in an intrinsic quality. So we get to the same place, right?
Ultimately the issue is we care about the underlying meaning. It's not wrong to represent something in one way that accurately captures the meaning even if someone else would use less language to capture the same meaning. Neither way is right or wrong as long as the core meaning is the same.
None of the other answer choices made sense to me. E was the only one that sounded clear and made sense but what makes me uneasy about that is I want to be clear and know why I did not chose the other answer choices. I think it is important to be able to explain and identify what was wrong with the other answer choices so I know what to lookout for. I don't feel like I've been taught that yet.
What I don't like is that we get all of this foundational information but never practice looking at a question and breaking it down before having to answer it.
It feels like we have to absorb all this information without seeing how it applies to the questions. It would be helpful if as we are going through the different foundational lessons, we can view a question type that applies to the lesson before the sample. For example, when we learned about main conclusion and premise, in one of the lessons it could show a sample question that we would get that applies to what we are learning. It can just be used as an example and we don't actually answer the question. The instructor can then break down the question, read the stimulus and breakdown the answer choices exposing trap answers and things like that before we have to jump in and answer without being familiar with what kind of questions would apply to the lesson and a proper tact to approach the question.
This is especially so with conditionals because there are SO MANY different conditional questions on the test and different types it would be great to see most of those questions broken down in the lesson so I know how to approach answering that kind of question.
I recognize and appreciate the fact that we are getting the "You Try" sample test questions but it just feels late and like I haven't been properly prepped to answer the test question when we don't know the structure and breakdown of the questions.
It just feels like there is still more that can be done in the foundational lessons to where I can feel more prepared to look at an actual test question and know how to approach it, what to look for, how to apply what I'm learning and so on and so forth. I would prefer to get that teaching before getting it right or wrong.
@Tmitch243 And to clarify, I understand the instructor uses made up stimulus samples varying from easy to difficult, like the Jedi stimulus or NYC pet stimulus, to show us different lessons and foundations and such. However, we are just shown a made up sample stimulus, not the type of question that would apply to the stimulus or answer choices. What kind of question would apply to the made up stimuli prompts that the instructor gives us? How do we breakdown that question to know what it is asking of us? What would the answers choices look like for a question with that kind of stimulus? How do we weed out trap answers for that kind of question? This is what I mean.
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Matilde SHOULD NOT buy the vase. I can't read lol
got it wrong first try then I redid it and got it correct BR
took me 4mins but I got it right; I diagramed it out but relied mostly on intuition to figure it out :/
the way I got the answer then changed it at the last second...omg
Spent 8 minutes, chose the wrong answer then the right answer and then the wrong answer again... ;(
got it 50 seconds below the target time :), I think im finally getting the hang of it
Got it 14 seconds over the target time. While going through the answer choices, I immediately ruled out options B-D because they did not justify the principle. And decided not to go with A because I felt that it was using irrelevant information to justify.
took 2 minutes but i got it
I chose the correct answer within a minute and then spent 4 MINUTES triple checking i was actually right. :/ I'm not sure how to stop second guessing myself.
@Sab0613 this is so me
A bit confused here.
A - "while this style of vase is not currently sought after by other collectors..." I am taking this to mean, it is not desirable. Therefore, A seems like an appealing choice to me. Is this not a good way to think because it does not mention if Matilde desires the vase but just that other people do?
B - "although the seller is willing to take back the vase if Matilde cannot independently authenticate it..." I am taking this to mean that is not confident purchasing it. I guess this is also not the right way to think about the answer choice since it doesn't mention/allude to that she isn't confident in purchasing it.
GOT IT! but it took 5 minutes...im just so dang slow
Got it with over a minute under
I made quite a silly mistake in that I didn't properly read the question.
I correctly diagrammed everything, but in the back of my mind I was looking for reasons Matilde SHOULD buy the vase, completely forgot the second part of the question/diagramming
Got it right. May have been a little (a lot) over time but at this stage I just want correct answers.
Only 17s over time :’)
I got it right, way over time but who cares rn!!!!!!!! :-p
I did not understand the question
I got it wrong the first time because I didn’t understand what principle and application mean. But got it right on blind review once took some time to understand the question.
What tripped me up was forgetting to switch "and" for "or"... That definitely led me into a trap and caused me to miss the correct choice.
Got it 30 seconds under ✋🏼😮
Went with C the first time around and for the Blind Review answer correct. I am not a diagram person, all of that just confuses me a little. Like sometime I get it and other times I be completely lost.
In the video explanation, the instructor says that we can immediately disregard the "and not just for its value as an investment" part, because it's impossible to be "desirable for its intrinsic value" and "just for investment" at the same time. I get it, but when the DeMorgan's Law is applied, it's a series of negated sufficient conditions where if even just one of them is true, the necessary condition follows right? So basically we're supposed to look out for any of them.
In that case, I wonder how quickly we can eliminate one of these conditions like in the video for other questions. For example, if one of these answer options was something like "Matilde read a magazine about how the vase is gaining attention in the antique market and was only excited about that", then it ticks the "just for investment" part and will be the correct answer. So at the end of the day, isn't eliminating early on a condition in DeMorgan's Law kinda risky?
@kazuhiro35 Yes I thought the same thing. It takes a little longer, but I think its definitely safer to leave the condition in to see the fuller picture. It's worth noting though, that in earlier lessons, it teaches that language the comes after "not just" will likely not take part in the answer choices.
It also states early on that things that follow "only if" especially with a conjunction of 2 conditions are much likelier to be the contested part of the problem.
If you think about it... going down the rabbit hole of "not just" actually goes a bit off script of what we've learned up to this point, so it is wiser to focus in on the conjunction & disjunction (for the contrapositive) following the necessary condition.
edit: I made the same mistake
@kazuhiro35 But if you recognize that she was "only excited about that," then that means she is not interested in an intrinsic quality. So we get to the same place, right?
Ultimately the issue is we care about the underlying meaning. It's not wrong to represent something in one way that accurately captures the meaning even if someone else would use less language to capture the same meaning. Neither way is right or wrong as long as the core meaning is the same.
None of the other answer choices made sense to me. E was the only one that sounded clear and made sense but what makes me uneasy about that is I want to be clear and know why I did not chose the other answer choices. I think it is important to be able to explain and identify what was wrong with the other answer choices so I know what to lookout for. I don't feel like I've been taught that yet.
What I don't like is that we get all of this foundational information but never practice looking at a question and breaking it down before having to answer it.
It feels like we have to absorb all this information without seeing how it applies to the questions. It would be helpful if as we are going through the different foundational lessons, we can view a question type that applies to the lesson before the sample. For example, when we learned about main conclusion and premise, in one of the lessons it could show a sample question that we would get that applies to what we are learning. It can just be used as an example and we don't actually answer the question. The instructor can then break down the question, read the stimulus and breakdown the answer choices exposing trap answers and things like that before we have to jump in and answer without being familiar with what kind of questions would apply to the lesson and a proper tact to approach the question.
This is especially so with conditionals because there are SO MANY different conditional questions on the test and different types it would be great to see most of those questions broken down in the lesson so I know how to approach answering that kind of question.
I recognize and appreciate the fact that we are getting the "You Try" sample test questions but it just feels late and like I haven't been properly prepped to answer the test question when we don't know the structure and breakdown of the questions.
It just feels like there is still more that can be done in the foundational lessons to where I can feel more prepared to look at an actual test question and know how to approach it, what to look for, how to apply what I'm learning and so on and so forth. I would prefer to get that teaching before getting it right or wrong.
Thank you
@Tmitch243 And to clarify, I understand the instructor uses made up stimulus samples varying from easy to difficult, like the Jedi stimulus or NYC pet stimulus, to show us different lessons and foundations and such. However, we are just shown a made up sample stimulus, not the type of question that would apply to the stimulus or answer choices. What kind of question would apply to the made up stimuli prompts that the instructor gives us? How do we breakdown that question to know what it is asking of us? What would the answers choices look like for a question with that kind of stimulus? How do we weed out trap answers for that kind of question? This is what I mean.
@Tmitch243 imo the practice question is when we would be trying it out and breaking it down based on the concept we just learned.
@Tmitch243 don’t take it personally, even if we get it wrong we’re still learning 🙏🏻