Went with C the first time around and for the Blind Review answer correct. I am not a diagram person, all of that just confuses me a little. Like sometime I get it and other times I be completely lost.
In the video explanation, the instructor says that we can immediately disregard the "and not just for its value as an investment" part, because it's impossible to be "desirable for its intrinsic value" and "just for investment" at the same time. I get it, but when the DeMorgan's Law is applied, it's a series of negated sufficient conditions where if even just one of them is true, the necessary condition follows right? So basically we're supposed to look out for any of them.
In that case, I wonder how quickly we can eliminate one of these conditions like in the video for other questions. For example, if one of these answer options was something like "Matilde read a magazine about how the vase is gaining attention in the antique market and was only excited about that", then it ticks the "just for investment" part and will be the correct answer. So at the end of the day, isn't eliminating early on a condition in DeMorgan's Law kinda risky?
None of the other answer choices made sense to me. E was the only one that sounded clear and made sense but what makes me uneasy about that is I want to be clear and know why I did not chose the other answer choices. I think it is important to be able to explain and identify what was wrong with the other answer choices so I know what to lookout for. I don't feel like I've been taught that yet.
What I don't like is that we get all of this foundational information but never practice looking at a question and breaking it down before having to answer it.
It feels like we have to absorb all this information without seeing how it applies to the questions. It would be helpful if as we are going through the different foundational lessons, we can view a question type that applies to the lesson before the sample. For example, when we learned about main conclusion and premise, in one of the lessons it could show a sample question that we would get that applies to what we are learning. It can just be used as an example and we don't actually answer the question. The instructor can then break down the question, read the stimulus and breakdown the answer choices exposing trap answers and things like that before we have to jump in and answer without being familiar with what kind of questions would apply to the lesson and a proper tact to approach the question.
This is especially so with conditionals because there are SO MANY different conditional questions on the test and different types it would be great to see most of those questions broken down in the lesson so I know how to approach answering that kind of question.
I recognize and appreciate the fact that we are getting the "You Try" sample test questions but it just feels late and like I haven't been properly prepped to answer the test question when we don't know the structure and breakdown of the questions.
It just feels like there is still more that can be done in the foundational lessons to where I can feel more prepared to look at an actual test question and know how to approach it, what to look for, how to apply what I'm learning and so on and so forth. I would prefer to get that teaching before getting it right or wrong.
@Tmitch243 And to clarify, I understand the instructor uses made up stimulus samples varying from easy to difficult, like the Jedi stimulus or NYC pet stimulus, to show us different lessons and foundations and such. However, we are just shown a made up sample stimulus, not the type of question that would apply to the stimulus or answer choices. What kind of question would apply to the made up stimuli prompts that the instructor gives us? How do we breakdown that question to know what it is asking of us? What would the answers choices look like for a question with that kind of stimulus? How do we weed out trap answers for that kind of question? This is what I mean.
These upset me because i rush and cant ever stop myself from rushing. IF you take the contrapositive its easy, yet i rushed, didnt graph and chose wrong. TAKE YOUR TIME...
i got this right with 50 seconds over. i didn't map anything out but i did keep the concepts in mind when looking for answers. if this sufficient for future questions? or should we map it out?
I ended up getting it correct but I was so tempted by C. The last part of the prompt states "not just for its value as an investment" and C states "she suspects it'll be highly desirable in the future". I thought that went along with the fact that Matilde shouldn't buy the antique because she is only looking at it from an investment standpoint.
@NoraElkhyati "only" is the key part of your statement. Even if you interpret C as meaning Matilde does care about investment...it doesn't suggest that's the only thing she cares about.
I got the blind review correct but the initial attempt I didn't get correct I feel like I try and find the one that feels right initially instead of looking for the one pulled/supported from the passage.
This was also very baffling to me. But I think Choice C doesn’t justify the conclusion because the rule says she should not buy the artwork if she is buying it only as an investment. “Merely” meaning only. In choice C, she likes the vase’s shape and color. That means she wants it for its intrinsic qualities. She also thinks it may become desirable to other collectors. So she has two reasons: intrinsic value and investment value. Because she has an intrinsic reason, she is not buying it only as an investment. The rule is violated only when investment is the sole reason. In C, it is not the sole reason. That’s why C does not justify saying she should not buy it.
@David77 I made the mistake of not fully understand what the question was asking and chose C because it did fit with all the requirements of the principle. It wasn't till we went over the question that I realised its asking what justifies that she should NOT buy the vase according to the principle. C basically affirmed the principle which would mean that she would buy it.
Got the question right. I wasn't trying to speed the question correctly. I understood the lawgic correctly, but writing the arrows in this instance was time-consuming.
I'm not sure if I NEED to translate into logic because when I tried translating I got it wrong, but when I did it intuitively I got it right. Should I force myself to translate into logic to prepare for the more difficult questions????
@Jasmin13 No, you shouldn't force yourself to. It would be nice on review to understand the mechanics of the problem, though. This doesn't mean you need to draw anything out. But the basic idea of "should buy only if X and Y", we're trying to prove "NOT should buy", so I want to help show "NOT X" OR "NOT Y" is something you want to understand.
I just want to explain why I got this wrong: the question is asking what most helps to justify the application aka conclusion. C is wrong because its over all there things all of the "+" so thats telling us why she should buy. I needed to find why she Should NOT buy... anyways on my blind review I got it corrected.
@OonaMilliken hi, I saw your comment and its because of that word not. that word plays a role in the reason why you can and do drop it. that one is just extra information.... maybe I could be wrong. lol
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Went with C the first time around and for the Blind Review answer correct. I am not a diagram person, all of that just confuses me a little. Like sometime I get it and other times I be completely lost.
In the video explanation, the instructor says that we can immediately disregard the "and not just for its value as an investment" part, because it's impossible to be "desirable for its intrinsic value" and "just for investment" at the same time. I get it, but when the DeMorgan's Law is applied, it's a series of negated sufficient conditions where if even just one of them is true, the necessary condition follows right? So basically we're supposed to look out for any of them.
In that case, I wonder how quickly we can eliminate one of these conditions like in the video for other questions. For example, if one of these answer options was something like "Matilde read a magazine about how the vase is gaining attention in the antique market and was only excited about that", then it ticks the "just for investment" part and will be the correct answer. So at the end of the day, isn't eliminating early on a condition in DeMorgan's Law kinda risky?
None of the other answer choices made sense to me. E was the only one that sounded clear and made sense but what makes me uneasy about that is I want to be clear and know why I did not chose the other answer choices. I think it is important to be able to explain and identify what was wrong with the other answer choices so I know what to lookout for. I don't feel like I've been taught that yet.
What I don't like is that we get all of this foundational information but never practice looking at a question and breaking it down before having to answer it.
It feels like we have to absorb all this information without seeing how it applies to the questions. It would be helpful if as we are going through the different foundational lessons, we can view a question type that applies to the lesson before the sample. For example, when we learned about main conclusion and premise, in one of the lessons it could show a sample question that we would get that applies to what we are learning. It can just be used as an example and we don't actually answer the question. The instructor can then break down the question, read the stimulus and breakdown the answer choices exposing trap answers and things like that before we have to jump in and answer without being familiar with what kind of questions would apply to the lesson and a proper tact to approach the question.
This is especially so with conditionals because there are SO MANY different conditional questions on the test and different types it would be great to see most of those questions broken down in the lesson so I know how to approach answering that kind of question.
I recognize and appreciate the fact that we are getting the "You Try" sample test questions but it just feels late and like I haven't been properly prepped to answer the test question when we don't know the structure and breakdown of the questions.
It just feels like there is still more that can be done in the foundational lessons to where I can feel more prepared to look at an actual test question and know how to approach it, what to look for, how to apply what I'm learning and so on and so forth. I would prefer to get that teaching before getting it right or wrong.
Thank you
@Tmitch243 And to clarify, I understand the instructor uses made up stimulus samples varying from easy to difficult, like the Jedi stimulus or NYC pet stimulus, to show us different lessons and foundations and such. However, we are just shown a made up sample stimulus, not the type of question that would apply to the stimulus or answer choices. What kind of question would apply to the made up stimuli prompts that the instructor gives us? How do we breakdown that question to know what it is asking of us? What would the answers choices look like for a question with that kind of stimulus? How do we weed out trap answers for that kind of question? This is what I mean.
These upset me because i rush and cant ever stop myself from rushing. IF you take the contrapositive its easy, yet i rushed, didnt graph and chose wrong. TAKE YOUR TIME...
@Gabero123 Ignore the clock! It doesn't matter how long things are taking you right now. Treat these questions as untimed.
First time getting a You Try right on the first try, tears of joy HAHAHA PROGRESS!
@Nampoina same and I was stressing this whole lesson because I was SO lost lol
@Nampoina LETS GOOOOOOO, this is only the first two weeks too. Wait till we are a couple months in!!!!
i got this right with 50 seconds over. i didn't map anything out but i did keep the concepts in mind when looking for answers. if this sufficient for future questions? or should we map it out?
Literally jumped for joy when I got this right. Haha!
Ok this one was easy. 27 seconds under just by carefully reading it, no translation necessary.
I ended up getting it correct but I was so tempted by C. The last part of the prompt states "not just for its value as an investment" and C states "she suspects it'll be highly desirable in the future". I thought that went along with the fact that Matilde shouldn't buy the antique because she is only looking at it from an investment standpoint.
@NoraElkhyati "only" is the key part of your statement. Even if you interpret C as meaning Matilde does care about investment...it doesn't suggest that's the only thing she cares about.
got it right and was 54 seconds over time. i didnt rly translate here and used intuition
Confident and D for intrinsic qualities -> buy expensive antique. Contrapositive: /Buy -> /confident or /d for intrinsic q's.
She doesn't think that she should buy and E justifies this because if it has been frequently reproduced on the market then /d for intrinsic q's.
Furthermore, if it cannot be examined closely or authenticated over the internet then she cannot be confident in authenticating it.
I got the blind review correct but the initial attempt I didn't get correct I feel like I try and find the one that feels right initially instead of looking for the one pulled/supported from the passage.
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This was also very baffling to me. But I think Choice C doesn’t justify the conclusion because the rule says she should not buy the artwork if she is buying it only as an investment. “Merely” meaning only. In choice C, she likes the vase’s shape and color. That means she wants it for its intrinsic qualities. She also thinks it may become desirable to other collectors. So she has two reasons: intrinsic value and investment value. Because she has an intrinsic reason, she is not buying it only as an investment. The rule is violated only when investment is the sole reason. In C, it is not the sole reason. That’s why C does not justify saying she should not buy it.
@David77 I made the mistake of not fully understand what the question was asking and chose C because it did fit with all the requirements of the principle. It wasn't till we went over the question that I realised its asking what justifies that she should NOT buy the vase according to the principle. C basically affirmed the principle which would mean that she would buy it.
Got the question right. I wasn't trying to speed the question correctly. I understood the lawgic correctly, but writing the arrows in this instance was time-consuming.
I'm so beyond happy I understood this
I'm not sure if I NEED to translate into logic because when I tried translating I got it wrong, but when I did it intuitively I got it right. Should I force myself to translate into logic to prepare for the more difficult questions????
@Jasmin13 No, you shouldn't force yourself to. It would be nice on review to understand the mechanics of the problem, though. This doesn't mean you need to draw anything out. But the basic idea of "should buy only if X and Y", we're trying to prove "NOT should buy", so I want to help show "NOT X" OR "NOT Y" is something you want to understand.
ugh I translated it into logic correctly but still got the answer wrong
Don't forget to use the highlight tool to help remember the necessary conditions! Helped me answer the question under the time limit 😁
@ArdenAmarelo I had completely forgotten about those. Thanks for the reminder.
I just want to explain why I got this wrong: the question is asking what most helps to justify the application aka conclusion. C is wrong because its over all there things all of the "+" so thats telling us why she should buy. I needed to find why she Should NOT buy... anyways on my blind review I got it corrected.
i don't 100% understand why you can just drop the last condition
@OonaMilliken hi, I saw your comment and its because of that word not. that word plays a role in the reason why you can and do drop it. that one is just extra information.... maybe I could be wrong. lol
@OonaMilliken
Buy only if A and B and C
can be presented as lawgic below:
buy -> A and B and C
which is
buy -> confident in auth. AND desire for intrinsic AND not just for investment
As you can see, the buyer who is confident in auth. and desirable for intrinsic is already not trying to buy the thing just for investment.
I think this is why we can drop the last condition.
Hope this helped you! :)
went 6mins over the desired time bc i kept going back on my phone lmaoooo
What happened to me brah
watched 7 minutes of this video before I realized I missed the word "not" in the application
Took 11 minutes because I also wrote down why each answer was incorrect before submitted and to be sure. Got it right though, lol!
@LawyeRell wait this is such a good idea