Hi everyone, I'm new to law school applications (still in the process of studying for the LSAT) but can anyone give me some tips & pointers about stuff they wish they knew about law school application timelines before they started applying? Thank you & good luck!

Hi guys,

I have narrowed my law school search down to the final two and I’m having a hard time deciding. I’m hoping maybe there are some people who are familiar with either program and can give me insight.

At Florida I received a full scholarship and a 6k annual stipend. At Emory I received a 171k scholarship to be disbursed over 6 semesters evenly (I estimated I would pay 18k in tuition over three years).

I have visited Emory and absolutely loved Atlanta plus the campus. I could not visit UF due to corona virus. My career goals are to become a judge. I ideally want to secure a federal clerkship out of law school and then work as a public defender or prosecutor. I could see myself working in Atlanta after school but I could not see myself staying in Florida; however, UF will save me up 45k in loans.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everybody!

Given the Coronavirus, FSU has given the students the option to choose to take whatever class on a P/F (or S/U) basis.

Would It look bad to have a lot of P/F in your law school application?

If it does make a difference what is the recommended maximum amount of P/F I should be wary of?

I also heard some law schools consider a Pass as a C and a Fail as an F on their GPA calculations. Is this just a rumor?

What’s up 7sage community! I’m currently an undergraduate student in engineering at an Asian country who wants to go to an elite law school (Harvard, Columbia, etc.). In this stage of my life, I find myself struggling with the thought of applying to these law schools very soon as the months grow nearer, so I was wondering if anyone who came from an undergraduate degree that is completely unrelated to law got into any of the top schools, or if getting an LSAT in the 170s along with strong extracurriculars would suffice? Can anyone share some advice on how I would be able to achieve my goal of becoming a law student in a good school?

In a tale as old as time, I came into LSAT prep with the notion that this test would be something I could (relatively) painlessly learn and conquer. I studied haphazardly and obviously failed to get anywhere close to my target score. I decided to throw myself wholly into prep and immerse myself in the LSAT world. I am a working professional and people couldn't fail to notice I wasn't visiting happy hours as often. I felt good and slowly told people I was going to be attending law school in the fall of 2019. I work with incredibly smart folks who were blessed with the ability to take the LSAT once and score well enough to get into a top 10 school. They kindly believed that I would have no issues scoring well and thus reach my goal of attending a top 10 school.

Unfortunately, I did not hit my goal and had to retract my previously stated plan. It was incredibly humbling to admit I had not gotten the score I wanted. Luckily, my boss was happy to have me stay another year. I reemerged myself in the LSAT world, doubling down on my prep and taking a few days of PTO here and there to study. Fall of 2020 was the new plan.

Alas, I am here. I took the test and didn't make the progress I needed to get into top 15 schools. I hoped my softs would carry me a bit, but I have been rejected by every school so far. I am truly at a loss for what to do. I feel like my vision for the future has been ripped from me and I have boxed myself in completely. My partner has been patient with me during my prep and I cannot bear the thought of telling them that this year isn't going to work. I was so confident and would be absolutely crushed to tell my boss that once again, I will not be leaving in the fall to attend law school. Do I apply to lesser ranked schools and try to transfer? I don't think I can give up on law completely - it's been my goal for so long. A part of me wants to use this social distancing time to secretly prep and take the test again without telling anyone. But that still leaves me having to tell everyone it's one more year.

I'd love some advice! I really am at such a loss with how to move forward. I am happy to provide more details if needed.

Also - if you've stayed with me this long, I'd like to offer some advice: absolutely do not register for the test until you are consistently scoring at your targeted range. I had a false sense of bravado that I would magically score points better on the "real thing."

Thank you so much!

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Goodmorning everyone,

I hope you all are well and safe during these intense times in the world. I received a letter from my top choice stating that I have been waitlisted. This was both awesome and painful to read knowing I may or may not be admitted to my top choice. I received this in mid-February. I have been waiting to send a substantive LOCI in early April, but did not express immediate interest when I received the letter from admissions. Have I hurt my chances by waiting too long to respond?

Dear All,

Hope quarantine finds you all well! I have posted in the past I just graduated with a 3.75 from a top 30 undergrad and have experience with tribal nations and international criminal law. My weakness is a 156 LSAT which i am hopefully changing in april, I have been testing consistently in the 162-5 range. Once I got the 156 I was sure no law school would want me but my friend made me apply to 3. My results so far is waitlists from both GW and BC. I am curious how hard it is to go off these schools waitlists'? Also I am curious if I should just take a gap year and try again with a fresh batch of schools?

Hi guys, happy quarantine/social distancing am i right... T^T

I'm in college and the rest of our semester got shifted to online classes, and I am also the type of person that needs to go to the library to study, because I have no self control and easily distracted, i am trying to see who would like to potentially join me in my virtual study room and to keep each other on track for LSAT! I'm looking for people who would like to talk about strategies and ways of go about certain questions... or just want a study buddy to keep each other accountable.

Please comment below and join me! we can do this together!

Stay safe!

I hate that I have to bring up something "negative" but realistic. I have been thinking more and more about the impact of getting into debt during a potential recession and gaining employment after law school. Would anyone happen to have any insight in regards to the impact of a recession on the legal field?

Thanks,

Joseph

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Hey, 7sage fam!

I figured now that my admissions cycle is over, I should come back and let you guys know how I fared. :)

Out of 7 apps, I had 4 wait lists and 3 accepts. My highest app was at T-10, so I'm pretty happy that I didn't get a single rejection (I'm a reverse-splitter).

Out of my admits, I got scholarship offers at all three. I would have been honored to attend any of them. Two schools became very competitive, with both offering full tuition + extra. I had a really hard time choosing, but ultimately, I chose the one that I thought offered the best education while also fitting my needs (and my family's needs). It's a state school that's well respected, and while it's not a T-14 (it is above T-50), I couldn't pass up an offer that essentially pays me to go to a good school.

The offer was binding, so I won't know what ever might have happened on my wait lists. That bums me out a little (not knowing), but, honestly, I'm thrilled at this outcome and that this process is finally over. This is the end to ~2 years of studying, practicing, testing, writing, interviewing and waiting. I'm officially a law student this year! :D

Best of luck to my fellow c/o 2023 peers and for all of you who come after. (3(/p)

-AR

Hi.

I had sent a request for an LOR to my professor and by mistake wrote "For school X" in the description. She uploaded the LOR. I want to use that LOR for all schools. So I sent her another link with "for all schools" in the description. Now my recommender cannot upload it since she is only allowed to upload one LOR. Is there an option for her to delete/ rescind it?

I cannot find the option of deleting it so that I can resend her the link.

Please help!! Deadline in less than 48 hours!!

Hi all... new here. Hoping to get some feedback on my plan. I don't have much in the way of peer applicants/mentors and would like to get some good eyes on this.

Applied with a cold 158 from the July '19 LSAT and didn't give it much more thought. Cycle outcomes thus far seem to indicate significantly better outcomes would be in range with a better score (acceptances up to BC and WL's at CLS, Cornell, USC, UCLA, WUSTL, etc.). Found 7sage and began the CC on 2/1. Am now doing the PTs, having completed 36-38 with the following results:

PT 36 161/BR172 LR -8/-3 RC -1/-0 LR -9/-3 LG -7/-3 Taken 2/26

PT 37 162/BR174 RC -1/-1 LR -6/-3 LG -12/-2 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/4

PT 38 170/BR178 LR -1/-0 LG -3/-1 RC -6/-3 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/9

My objective was getting off a waitlist (ideally CLS for a specific focus), but am now debating taking the test in March at all, as opposed to just looking toward a July-October retake for next cycle.

Goals: Criminal/Social Justice focus leading into CJ/government reform. Not opposed to BL for experience or if needed to service debt. Dream would be academia, but admittedly not realistic.

Other info:

3.85, non-trad career changer, 10 years WE law enforcement.

unhappy with outcomes this cycle... barring some huge negotiation success, I'm maybe 90% certain I won't deposit, though due to age and some not insignificant C&F issues, I do consider that I should just be thankful for what I got and make the best of it.

I feel like I could score higher on 3/30 but not as high as I could given more prep. I chose 3/30 because I would have significant difficulty doing a last minute acceptance due to location (Hawaii) and family considerations. Hope that doesn't sound presumptuous... I realize it is not likely.

Not crazy about debt or less than ideal scholarships off a WL, but am willing to incur reasonably proportionate debt. If I were to miracle my way into CLS, I'd pay sticker.

also, I think PT38 was a fluke. I felt like I did way worse. Looks like I just lucked into games that I was able to navigate. In general, I don't really feel confident on any section yet.

Should I:

continue to hit it hard for 3/30 for the WL with an eye on June-October for next cycle?

push back 3/30 to June/July for more prep time and just deal with it if I happen to get a last minute WL acceptance?

forget about the WLs and focus on a more reasonable intensity for June-October and do next cycle less stupid?

just negotiate scholarships and move forward with the best option this cycle?

Thank you for the feedback. Any opinion welcomed... just trying to nudge along my thought process. Been browsing the forum and wish I had discovered this place earlier!

What Be Good 7Sage!

Wanted to give y'all a heads up with how my application cycle went and where I will going...spoiler alert, going to the University of Georgia!

To preface, I want to put some info out regarding my demographics: Hispanic/ Latino (Checked the Mexican Box), Graduated Undergrad in December 2016 so been working a while, married, living in the Florida Panhandle, and am a first gen college student.

With my score being a 154, I understood that I would be below the majority of my choice schools' 25th percentile. Thus, I made it a point to follow the 7Sage admission course guide and have at least 3 safety, 3 target, and 3 reach schools.

I applied to the following schools: Seton Hall (Accepted w/ 10k scholarship offer, withdrew application), Miami (Was on hold, withdrew application), American (Accepted, withdrew application), Florida State (Rejected), Florida (Rejected), Washington and Lee (Was on hold, withdrew application), Cornell (Was on reserve, withdrew application), Emory (Never heard back, withdrew application), Alabama (Waitlisted), Virginia (Rejected), Vanderbilt (Rejected), and UPenn (Rejected).

I went into the application cycle knowing that my wife and I wanted to live in the Atlanta area after graduation, thus UGA made the most sense for us for law school. Knowing that I would have to over shoot my numbers, I made it a point to visit UGA prior to applying. I was able to meet with an assistant director of admissions, dean of the law school, and a first gen law school student coordinator on my visit. I applied regular decision the first day applications opened as I knew I would want to negotiate more scholarship money (if I got any) later in the cycle.

In December, after being told my application was on hold by the committee, I made it a point to send a school specific LOCI explaining why I wanted to go to UGA. I like to think that they liked the letter, as not even a few days after this I was notified of my acceptancemwith a 5k merit scholarship offer.

As I received other acceptances and another merit scholarship offer, I knew my time for negotiation would be coming soon. I received an email a few days ago stating that I would need to let them know if I was going to accept my merit scholarship or not by April 1. Thus, I called the admissions office and notified them I wanted to negotiate. I was able to get my merit scholarship up to $7,500 annually ($22,500 3 years) as well as have all my seat deposit fees waived. I understand that there is a possibility that I can negotiate for more as the cycle goes on, but for the time being this is where I am at.

All in all, I like to think that 7Sage really helped me overshoot my numbers and allowed me to go to the law school of my dreams. I write this in hopes of allowing others to see my thoughts in addition to be able to reach out to someone in the midst of the process. While not all of us can be 170+ LSAT takers, this does not mean that you cannot go to a T30 school! Keep your heads up and do the work.

Feel free to direct message me for any questions you may have. Thank y'all for the amazing journey. Not sure how much I will be on here after this with school starting in August, thus if you do not hear back from me on here in a few days shoot me an email at jonah.griego@gmail.com!

Faithfully 7Sager,

Jonah Chadwick Griego

Hey 7sagers,

I need some advice. I've been working in corporate america for the last two years. I have an amazing relationship with my boss, but the job gives me so much anxiety and is so demanding. Some events happened that allowed my boss to ask me to think about if I want to stay another year or not. She wants the best for me. We are good friends, but I cant work with her much anymore because she is the cause of a lot of my anxiety lol.

I'm thinking about quiting in June versus staying until I wear out my welcome lol. I'm sure she will give me a letter of recommendation but I'm concerned about how that may look to law schools. I'm planning to apply by october 1at this year. Quiting will allow me more time to craft my essays and take the lsat in August.

I feel like after all of the work I put into the company it's time for me to step out and believe in myself. After all I've been putting off law school for three years now.

I have family support and will live off my savings until I find something I love to do until law school starts. Any advice ? Will the gap from june to October look bad?

Hi everyone,

I'm curious what you think. I want to practice law in the midwest or south, and I'm looking at schools like WUSTL, Vandy, and UT-Austin. I might send an app to GULC/Cornell just for the hell of it– I'm leaning a little toward NY BigLaw; not sure at this point, but if I get in at a t15 northeastern school, I'd heavily consider it. In addition to my gpa/lsat, I have cookie-cutter softs for a law school applicant, and assume average LORs and personal statement. I have some part-time work experience from undergrad and I'm taking a gap year to work as a court clerk before going to law school.

What do you guys think about my chances at the schools listed? I tried MyLSN and 7sage's predictor, but they're giving conflicting reports. 7sage says that I'd have ~80% chance at WUSTL, but the MyLSN graph shows a lot of people with my stats getting waitlisted/rejected. Also, are the 2019 ABA 509 reports for schools the official stats/medians for next cycle (fall 2020), or will schools come out with Class of 2023 stats later this year as the new application window opens?

Thank you all. I owe my improvement to 7sage!

Hi,

I am a PhD student of Genetics in India. I am interested to work in IP law. However, I have no idea if there is any special requisite to apply for law colleges in Canada or if any special fellowships available (cause I won't be able to study law without fellowship). Also if it is ok to go from PhD in Genetics to law (I know many go from engineering field, but not sure if students come from biology field as well ). I have converted my undergraduate score (First division) to GPA, it is coming 4 but not sure if Canada schools convert the score for international student or they disregard it. Is Credential Assembly Service Authentication and Evaluation (CAS A&E) compulsory for international students? Will they convert my undergraduate scoring to GPA?

I will highly appreciate and grateful, if someone has answer these queries.

I have two questions. On the SLS website it says "Please be aware of the high value Stanford places on school-specific letters of recommendation." I take it this is their subtle way of saying "If you don't write an SLS specific LOR we may just throw your app in the trash." Does anyone have experience with this or an alternate explanation?

Second, on the SLS application process page there is no mention of a "Why X" essay at all. Does this mean we should not write a Why X essay for Stanford? On other schools' pages there is mention of a Why X essay but not here. Would it be inappropriate to send a Why X essay? Thanks!!

First - thank you 7sage! I ended up getting a 172 on the LSAT, and I know it wouldn't have been possible without the amazing materials on the site. I've been blessed to get into Columbia, BYU, Cornell and Vanderbilt. I'm really torn between Columbia, (because I love NYC and all of the programs at Columbia) and BYU, where I have a full tuition scholarship + $2500 stipend. I've visited both (I did undergrad at BYU actually), and enjoyed both...I just can't decide if I should go for the prestige, or the debt free degree. Advice?

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Hi! I am about to graduate college and I have a great job lined up afterwards. I have always known I want to go to law school so I am studying for my LSAT now and hope to take it the summer before I start working. With that being said, there will likely be a 2 year gap in between my LSAT and when I apply to law schools. Will admissions care about that gap? Thanks

I am about to register for the April LSAT (my first one) and realized the LSAC website says I need to order a package for reporting to 6 law schools. It also says this is "special pricing" and I need to order it before I register for this discounted price ($650) wtf. Is this new or did I miss this earlier?

Update: I understand now. I thought it did not include the LSAT fee but it does. Carry on!

When I was 14, I got caught stealing a pair of shorts from Sears in Texas (EXTREMELY STUPID, I know). I paid my fine and I did my time in community service. It took me a long time to move past this and I thought I had. Now, I am incredibly disheartened that some of my law school apps SPECIFICALLY state that I must disclose expunged juvenile records. I would hate for something I did 10 years ago to bar me from attending law school. I know people say that as long as I am honest, it should not affect my admittance, but I find that hard to believe. Why wouldn't a school look at my record and reject it when there are so many other applicants?

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this? If an application DOESN'T specifically ask to disclose juvenile records should I still disclose or no? Would it be bad to disclose to schools who ask specifically and not others? I am fully aware this will come up in the bar I just feel very disheartened by this. Any advice would be appreciated.