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Last comment thursday, mar 25 2021

LSAT Score Trends

I have score 162 and 167 on my first two LSATs. I am aiming for a 170 but have never scored over a 166 on PTs. Would it hurt me (for admissions purposes) to take the April LSAT I am signed up for if I am just as likely to score lower as I am to score higher? I assume law schools would see a downward trend as a red flag.

The alternative would be to study another few months and focus on my weakness (LG) then take again in June/August.

However, if a lower score won't hurt me I wouldn't be opposed to taking both the April and a June/August test.

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Hi everyone,

LSAC made several announcements today. The following are a few summary points of the announcements:

The LSAC will continue to provide the LSAT in an online, live remote-proctored format through June 2022.

The test dates for June 2021 through June 2022 have been released on LSAC's site: https://www.lsac.org/lsat/lsat-dates-deadlines-score-release-dates.

The LSAT will continue to have three scored sections. Starting in August, LSAC will return to their pre-COVID practice of including an unscored variable section along with the three scored sections.

With the addition of a fourth, unscored section, LSAC plans to include a short break between the second and third sections of the new LSAT starting August 2021.

Scores will continue to be reported on the 120-180 LSAT range, along with a percentile ranking.

The LSAT will continue to have three scored sections and one unscored variable section for the next several years.

LSAC will continue to address access and equity by providing solutions for candidates who do not have the necessary equipment, internet access, or quiet place to test.

I have also included the full text of LSAC's announcement below:

"First, given the expressed preference of the substantial majority of test takers, we are announcing that we will continue to provide the LSAT in an online, live remote-proctored format through June 2022.

We are also announcing the June 2021 test date, as well as test dates for the entire next cycle, which will begin in August and run through June 2022, so that candidates may plan in advance for the timing that works best. You can find the schedule here https://www.lsac.org/lsat/lsat-dates-deadlines-score-release-dates.

The LSAT will continue to have three scored sections. Starting in August, we will return to our pre-COVID practice of including an unscored variable section along with the three scored sections so that we can validate new test questions for future use. This validation process is a vital part of our commitment to equity and helps us ensure our questions continue their long standard of being free from any kind of bias. With the addition of a fourth, unscored section, we plan to include a short break between the second and third sections of the new LSAT starting August 2021, similar to the break mid-way through the traditional in-person LSAT that was used before the COVID-19 emergency.

The LSAT will continue to have three scored sections and one unscored variable section for the next several years, and you can learn more about the LSAT for August 2021 and beyond on our website.

Scores will continue to be reported on the 120-180 LSAT range, along with a percentile ranking. Our questions and methodology will remain the same, meaning the LSAT will continue to be the most valid and reliable indicator of first-year law school success. Because they both contain three scored sections with the same methodology and questions, we anticipate that scores from the current LSAT-Flex and the LSAT beginning in August will be aligned. As always, our measurement scientists will continue to scrutinize and evaluate all the data to ensure scores preserve their meaning across test administrations.

As we move forward with another full year of online testing to help ensure the safety of all candidates, LSAC will continue to address access and equity by providing solutions for candidates who do not have the necessary equipment, internet access, or quiet place to test. Please make sure that your students know that LSAC stands ready to assist them, so they have the resources they need. Thus far, we have provided 2,400 loaner devices to candidates who needed a computer and have provided a quiet place to test and internet access for over 1,100 more. Through our deep commitment to disability rights, we will of course also continue to address the needs of all candidates who require testing accommodations."

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Hi everyone!

I have a question about the format of the LSAT Flex. Does the test look like the "7Sage" theme, the "Standard" theme, or something else? The themes that I am referring to are the ones 7Sage allows us to choose from when we are drilling questions under problem sets. I want to ensure that I am studying in the format I will see on test day.

Thanks!

Nicole

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Is there any way to alter the way that the printable problem sets display? At present, there are two questions per page. I would prefer more per page to reduce the amount of paper, though I am already printing double-sided.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Last comment wednesday, mar 24 2021

Cycle Recap: Yale-Bound!

I’m incredibly grateful to the 7Sage community for helping me get to his point—I’m absolutely thrilled to be attending my dream school. This is a truly wonderful community dedicated to helping each other master what is an intimidating, but surmountable, obstacle. Thank you JY and everyone else for creating such an amazing resource.

I had a lot of trouble with the LSAT. In 2015, I took the test once, cancelled after a bubbling error, and got a 166 on my second attempt. With that score, I got into a number of mid-range T14s, but could never have gotten into a HYS (my uGPA was a 3.91, so I was a splitter). I really wanted to go to HYS so I could have an easier door to legal academia, and I decided to go to graduate school instead for a doctorate (still not finished) with the intention of re-applying to law school eventually.

I half-assed my way through two more takes in the early days of grad school without really studying for the exam: I figured it would just “click” eventually. I got mid-160s both times, and I thought I had doomed myself out of a place like Yale with that number of takes.

In 2019, I finally dedicated myself to making my way through the entire Ultimate+ curriculum and the results showed: I went from the low 160s (my diagnostic after so long away from the test) to a 175 on the July 2019 LSAT. I studied every day for about three and a half months using 7Sage, and drilling everything I would get wrong. I felt incredibly comfortable on test day, because 7Sage had taught me everything I could possibly see on the test. There are only so many forms of questions they can ask, and if you practice all of them enough you will have the time needed to get through the 2-3 curveballs they will throw at you.

There are a lot of big-picture lessons that I took away from my journey to a higher LSAT. JY has already said them numerous times, but it always helps to enumerate them again:

  • Every question has one CLEARLY correct answer and four ABSOLUTELY WRONG answers. I know we all want to be lawyers, and arguing different positions is a default for many of us. But that’s not what the LSAT is testing. Instead, it’s looking to see if you can identify factual patterns in questions. Once I came to accept this lesson, eliminating marginally-wrong answers became much easier for me.
  • Skipping questions is the best thing you can do on the test. The LSAT is all about time. I know that skipping questions is always emphasized as a strategy, but mentally I just couldn’t do it. For me, skipping a question represented a failure and a lost point. But of course, that point is worth a lot less than the five points I risked by not finishing the final page in time. I had to start forcing myself to start skipping questions. I set out by saying that I would skip at least five questions per LR section. The amount of time I had in the sections skyrocketed when I did this. It gave me confidence to start routinely skipping questions, and on the actual test day I finished all the sections with time to spare. That had never happened to me before.
  • Foolproof the low-hanging fruit. My biggest weaknesses ended up being my strengths: logic games, and must be true/SA/NA questions. I drilled NA/SA questions every day, until I could run through them in about a third of the time I had before. I also just kept running through the logic games of the first 16 tests, until I could do each one within a few minutes. It helped my LG section a ton—I would usually finish with about 5-10 minutes of extra time, which was a) a comforting buffer in case something went horrendously wrong, and b) it gave me time to meditate and breathe. Get comfortable with the low-hanging fruit and you will have more time for the other questions.
  • Gaining basic knowledge of subjects is helpful. I really struggled with the science RC sections. There were words in there that just looked like gobbledygook. I started reading as many ScienceNews.org articles as I could, and I got more comfortable. I can’t recommend ScienceNews enough for LSAT prep. The articles are almost always the exact length of a section, they almost always bring in an outside source to comment on the piece, and they are just complicated enough to serve as a good proxy for the exam. In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if LSAC took passages from ScienceNews. Get comfortable with reading subjects you don’t entirely understand. Unrelatedly, I also found that understanding statistics, and in particular having a strong background in causal inference, was incredibly helpful for moving through the flaw questions in LR. If you are struggling there, I highly recommend taking a day to watch some videos on causation.
  • Mistakes are your ticket to a 180. I can’t stress this enough: mistakes on tests are the most valuable things you can look for. You need to document when you’ve missed a question, and you need to be using the “flag” option on 7Sage to mark when you struggled with a question (in case you get it right and forget it was difficult). I used to get mad at myself whenever I missed a question, and rather than focus on correcting the situation, I would chastise myself for being “an idiot.” Mistakes tell you where you need to focus, and where you can improve your score. Take lots of tests, get a statistically relevant sample size, and refocus your studies on those areas. I found it to be difficult to do this, because I inherently hated studying the questions I struggled to understand, but it’s what got me to a high score.

  • I know that these points might seem obvious, but I can’t emphasize their importance enough. I really struggled to grasp them, but doing so served me well.

    The LSAT is hard. Actually, it's really hard. But there is a light at the tunnel, and I hope anyone who is struggling with the test can take some solace in that it eventually does work out. I had one cancelled test and three mid-level scores for a top 3 school before I finally hit that 175. My path wasn’t ideal (don’t take the LSAT 5 times—I think I got lucky here), but it does show that you should keep trying if you are confident you can do better. I knew I could, even when the results strongly suggested otherwise, and I am glad I kept at it until it eventually clicked. Yes, I’m going to law school five years after I planned it, but I would have made this trade when I graduated college, and I am glad it has worked out fairly well in the end. Good luck, and please message me if I can be of help.

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    Last comment wednesday, mar 24 2021

    April BR Partner [Closed]

    Looking for 1-2 BR partners for the April exam who are scoring in the 170's- preferably who's strongest section is RC. Aiming for maybe 3 to 4 more PT's by then (all in the 80's). BR will consist of a deep dive into each RC passage and any flagged/problematic questions in LR. Im on EST time and am very flexible with time.

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    All scoring levels welcome. Flex test version.

    Requirements:

  • Have taken the PT or at least the section you want to BR (section 4, the 2nd LR section will not be addressed) under representative timed conditions.
  • Flag or otherwise indicate the questions that gave you trouble for BR. We likely won't be doing every question on the test, just those indicated.
  • Do not check your answers or review questions No exceptions. This defeats the purpose of a BR call, and reduces the potential value to be extracted. Like seriously, don't show up if you do this. BR calls are not for impressing people. I would be more than happy to go over any questions with anyone regardless at another time, but please don't do this in a BR group. Obviously there is no one "right" way, but in this group, the call should be your first look at the material since your timed run.
  • For those looking to review with people above/below/at your scoring range, I have an official 172. My last 5 PTs have been a steady 176/180BR. Last 10 average 173.

    We can also explore individual issues, general LSAT strategies, commiserate on this wack ass cycle, and talk about @"Burden.of.Floof" 's cat.

    Link to the meeting will be in this post. Venue TBD as I don't have one of those fancy school Zoom accounts. As of right now, default will probably be a google meeting so we won't have a time limit. If anyone has a school Zoom and is willing to host let me know!

    DONE PT 69 FLEX 3/22/21 @5pm EST Google meet link: https://meet.google.com/vxg-gysc-ptu.

    Check back here before the call for updates!

    UPDATE: PT69 section 4 LR (second LR section) BR call - Wednesday, March 24th, at 6pm EST. Refer to @"Law and Yoda" 's post below

    Same structure as Monday's BR session (please review original post guidelines)

    Thank you @lwilliams for creating a zoom link and allowing me to host!

    Looking forward to seeing you all again!

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    Last comment tuesday, mar 23 2021

    Free tutor / help

    Hi all,

    I am scheduled to take the April LSAT but I will be switching it to June instead. I keep scoring between a 150-152 when ideally I would want a 155-160. At this point I am lost on how to improve. Reading comp is my worst section with LR right behind it. Any help, advise, or free tutoring would be very appreciated :)

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    I was using Khan Academy LSAT prep before I switched over to 7Sage. So when I took my first practice test on 7Sage, I unknowingly chose a PT where I had already done a significant handful of the questions (pretty sure I had done 3/4 logic games multiple times). So I figured a couple things might happen:

  • my score was going to be artificially inflated, and not accurately represent the progress I've made
  • I was gonna be extra grumpy and frustrated from possibly getting something wrong that I've gotten wrong when practicing on Khan Academy
  • From now on, I'm going to triple check that I'm choosing PTs I've never seen before, but in the meantime, what takeaways can I truly get from this test? I got a 158 (163 BR), got -6 on the logic games section the first time through because I ran out of time on the last game (-0 BR) and -10 between both LR sections (-8 BR). For the questions I had seen before, I got most pf them right. But there were a couple I still got wrong in addition to whatever new questions I got wrong.

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    Hi Everyone,

    Hope everybody had a great weekend. I just wanted to post something I have found helpful when reviewing practice tests. While many of these questions seem obvious and naturally intuitive, sometimes it helps to spell them out and ask yourself these questions when reviewing questions you got wrong. The article was published by Blueprint. The questions are:

  • Did I follow the correct approach?
  • Did I misread anything important?
  • Was my anticipation of the answer in line with what I should have been looking for?
  • Why is the wrong answer wrong?
  • How can I know that a similar wrong answer will be wrong next time?
  • Why is the wrong answer tempting, and why doesn't that make it right?
  • Why is the right answer right?
  • How can I spot a similar right answer next time?
  • "Once you've figured out a question, talk yourself through the logical process one more time to reinforce the right way to do things".

    Are there any questions, or strategies any of you are using to help improve your score? If so, please comment and share with me. Hope this helps somebody!

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    Last comment monday, mar 22 2021

    Week of test

    I work full time as a paralegal. I am testing the weekend of June 12 and plan to take Thursday and Friday off to study. I am contemplating taking the full week off to just be on the safe side and focus one whole week on just studying. I do average 10-15 hours a week of studying now but after work my brain is fried and think I would benefit from a full week prior to studying. Is it recommended to study hard core the week of your test or should I do this the week before?

    Thanks!

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    Hello all!

    Please be brutally honest, I scored a 161 in 2019 and have decided to retake this June and October (I'm in Asia currently so these are the only available dates coming up). My goal is 170, but tbh if I can get high 160s I'd be pretty happy too!

    Last time I wrote it, I did Khan academy and free 7Sage (and then did the free trial for 2 weeks before my LSAT lol) because honestly I wasn't committed to Law yet and didn't want to spend time or money. Horrible, I know but this time I've fully committed and will be applying this September 100% (to Canadian law schools btw).

    My question is, I have about 3 months until June 12th, what should I do?

    I bought LSAT trainer, and have started their schedule but it seems rlly chill? They expect about 10-12hrs a week, and I'm assuming this insufficient for making true progress to a 170? How much time do I need to put in daily?

    Also I wonder if doing LSAT trainer AND buying 7sage would be repetitive or overkill? I think the reason I started using the LSAT trainer book was because I love writing in it and having a concrete solid object in front of me vs the internet, but I know 7Sage is super effective as well? IDK I'm honestly just really lost on how best to prepare. Also, I'm unsure if I should do a private tutor, or wait until I get my June score and get a tutor for October.

    My struggle areas go from RC(-8) > LR(-5/-6) > LG (-4) based on the 2019 LSAT.

    Thanks for reading all this, I'm clearly a hot mess rn but want to get my shit together! TIA

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    Last comment sunday, mar 21 2021

    lesson downloads

    Is there a way to download lessons from the course so that I am able to view them without wifi (on the bus, out for a walk, etc.)

    If not it would be a very useful feature especially for the premium memberships. A similar setup to youtube premium. Could be a studying game changer for me.

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    Hi all - I'm looking for a remote tutor or anyone who could give some advice/sessions around once a week or so. After completing the core curriculum, I started PTing with tests 1-35 and was averaging 161-166. However, after moving on to PTs in the 50+ range, I've seen a significant drop in my average score down to around 158. On the early PTs, I typically was scoring around -2 to -4 on LG, but now am averaging around -6 to -8, so I'd really like some help on figuring out how to get my LG back up. I've seen a similar trend with RC as well, where I used to average around -4 to -6 and am now fluctuating all the way to -10. Anyone willing to help would be super appreciated!

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    About me: I have studied the LSAT for just over a year, starting out in the low 150s to finally scoring 177 in the February test. It's been a tumultuous year with many ups and downs (including a 5-month 160s plateau, surviving pandemic NYC, studying while working full-time), and I have experimented with many study methods (took prep course, gone through most LSAT books on the market, worked with tutors). I've been lucky enough to receive a lot of help along the way and so I hope to give a little back (inspired by @vicxwwwww ✨✨).

    DM me with (1) your current score and your target goal (2) a few key areas or topics that you want to focus on (be as specific as possible, see below!) (3) your preferred availability (4) target LSAT date, if available. I am currently based in NYC and am working full-time so scheduling might be limited. Sessions will likely be through zoom!

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    Update:

    -- Didn't expect so many messages, so responses might be delayed. Will try my best to reply but no guarantees!

    -- Updates were made to information to DM, stick with the info requested above

    -- DM, don't comment (having a hard time keeping track)!

    -- When messaging, try to be as specific as possible i.e. avoid "want to improve on LG/LR" and instead try "want to focus on most strongly supported questions"

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    Hello! What are the special test taking features that 7sage offers if you purchase the course? I don't quite understand how that works, and I don't see any contact info to ask questions. You take the test digitally via LawHub, and 7sage tracks the analytics (time spent per question, and the answer choices?) Would like more info on the features.

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    I am using an LSAC-provided Microsoft Surface Go tablet for the Flex. LSAC said they will not provide a stylus with the tablet. I asked them if I could buy a stylus for the test that works with the surface tablet, they said they do not believe so. While I doubt they presented me with incorrect information, I am a bit confused because they provided the stylus with in-person digital tests. Why would LSAC not provide/allow Flex testers to utilize a stylus?

    Has anyone used an LSAC-provided tablet and used a stylus? If so, how did it go? Or, if you used your fingers, how was it? Were you having to press twice or jumping to the wrong questions because the numbers are close together?

    Any general advice or experience using an LSAC-provided MSG tablet would be much appreciated!

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