Hello everyone.

I'm feeling a little bit lost here. I took the June 2018 LSAT and I didn't get the score I wanted. Prior to that I read all of the Powerscore bibles and did a bunch of practice tests. I was scoring better on the practice tests than I did on the actual LSAT so when I got my score I was shocked to say the least. Now I've started studying for the September test with 7Sage and it's great but it feels redundant to watch all of these lessons when I kind of know most of it already from previous prep. Does anyone have any tips for me to maximize my usage of this course without feeling like I'm wasting valuable time, because September is right around the corner. Also I'm enrolled in the starter pack. Thanks in advance for the advice!

Is there a way to make the analytics accurate (total percentage ) if you only do certain sections from a test . For example for pt 52 I did 2 sections but it scored the ones I didn’t do as incorrect .

I just got a 159 on the international June test

My diagnostic was 163. I had been PTing around 173. I am careful with checking bubbling and have not misbubbled in the past. I remember making sure the bubbles lined up with question numbers as I took the exam. I walked out of the test feeling reasonably good.

I did test with a 2B pencil, not a normal #2 pencil, because in the country where I took the exam, I couldn't find any normal #2 pencils. I don't know if this might've messed something up? Or something else?

I just don't get it. Even on my worst test days, I never scored in the 50s. Ever.

Should I pay $100 to handscore, even though that $100 will make money quite tight for me (but not as tight as doing the test all over again)? Or should I accept that this happened and move on and take the test next year (can't take it again this year because I can't afford to and I don't have the study time available at this point)?

Hello - Is there a way to download the analytics you get after you score a PT? I would love to have an Excel spreadsheet with all that data so I can sort it on my own to see what I can focus on, etc.

Hey all,

I just completed PT 51-- and I have a huge gap btw my Timed and BR Score. It seems I'm mostly struggling with LR and RC.

*LR

Section 1

Timed - 15/25

BR - 24/25

Section 2

Timed - 18/25

BR - 24/25

*RC

Section 3

Timed - 20/28

BR - 25/28

*LG

Section 4

Timed - 22/22

Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated - especially with respect to LR and RC. Thank you so much!! Very grateful.

Just got my LSAT score, I gave it for the second time and scored a 165. My first attempt was a 157. I'm not satisfied with my scores since my PT average was a 175, but I have severe anxiety problems and had to rush to the bathroom twice during the test because I felt like I was going to throw up, so this score was only natural. I'm planning to give it again (my last and final try), but Asia has only two more test dates for this cycle- October and January.

October is a tad bit early in my opinion, but I can make it work. I don't need to go over the CC again since I've thoroughly studied it twice now. I'll just start PT-ing from this Saturday.

I was curious if January was too late for this cycle. I'm also worried about burnout, since this will be my third time and I'm already very disheartened. Thoughts?

I just want to celebrate with y'all. I'm writing the July LSAT, and the last few weeks have been bleak. I hit a high of 169 two weeks ago. My next 8 PTs dropped as low as 161, and my average went even lower than it was before I hit the 169. Finally, after changing up my study methods, I finally hit a 169 again on Thursday. So I waited to see if this was a fluke or if I could sustain my progress. My practice test from last night hit my all time high of a 173 under testing conditions. Of course I'll be focusing on my average test score, but I'm incredibly excited to hit (and exceed) my goal of 170 on a PT for the first time.

I've benefited so much from what others have shared. I figured I would take a moment to share the things that I have found the most helpful since I've recently seen a lot of people posting about being in the same situation.

Like so many others have said, you can't just take PT after PT after PT if your score isn't improving. When I was trying to take as many PTs as I could in a week, my score didn't improve. Only when I cut back on PTs and instituted other ways of practice and review did I start seeing improvements.

I was bombing RC because I wasn't spending enough time on the front end. After I started spending 3 or 3:30 on the passage instead of 2:30 or 3, the questions flew by and with better accuracy because I was so much more familiar with the passage.

My attention span was horrible, especially during LR and RC. So, I started meditating and using my phone less. I'm the kind of person who checks their phone every 5 minutes, and by cutting back on that I trained my attention span to be much longer than before which improved my comprehension SO much. I even made sure that when I was doing something like watching a movie or eating, I wasn't constantly getting distracted by my phone or laptop.

I read the economist to feel more comfortable with science, technology, and economics passages that I'm not familiar with. (The plight of the liberal arts major, am I right?) I practiced making low resolution summaries, figuring out the authors point of view, predicting the course of the article, and analyzing the relationships between paragraphs. It seems like people have mixed feelings about this strategy, but I found that my RC got SO much better when I do this regularly.

For LR I cut out 7 practice tests worth of questions and put the answers on the back. I then sorted them by question type to drill as flashcards with immediate feedback. LR went from -11 to as low as -4 (total) when I did this.

Just thought I'd share. Good luck to everyone else getting ready to take the July test!

Over the course of 2 years I took the LSAT 3 times and studied my ass off. I spent countless hours learning, reading this forum and taking PT's... I had an excellent tutor @Sami (even though I'm a bad student). I wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributes to this forum, Sami and 7Sage as a whole.

End result: I got about $450 a semester shy of a full ride to my choice law school and couldn't have done it without you guys.

I've taken some formal logic classes in the past and am familiar with some of the rules they use. I've really been struggling with parallel reasoning questions so I've returned to studying valid categorical syllogisms. Long story short, I've encountered some areas in formal logic which seem to contradict the lawgic lessons of 7sage.

For example, universal negative propositions (No S is P) can be diagrammed in lawgic S ---> ~P. This form of diagramming and the 7sage lessons imply that P ---> ~S is a valid inference (contraposition). In formal logic, however, this is not a valid form of contraposition. You can contrapose No S is P to infer that some non-P is not non-S (with limitation).

I don't mean to get this deep into formal logic but this contradiction is apparent from even a shallow review of valid syllogism forms.

Am I missing something? Or are there areas on the LSAT that do not conform to formal Aristotelian/Boolean logic?

Is there anyone else that has studied formal logic deeply and successfully applied it to the LSAT?

bummed out! Debating on whether to go through the CC one more time and give it another shot in November. Is it possible to go up 10 -15 points from here to November?

Hey guys,

Do you guys have any tips for what to do during times that you feel like you're stuck in a bad place mentally? I have been suffering with my mental health for a while (generalized anxiety disorder and depression). Are there any tips or routines y'all could share with me? I'd love to know what helps you guys out :)

Hey all,

So I was an acting major in college, completely new to binge study sessions like the ones you need for the GRE and LSAT, however, I studied for around four months and got a 158- Verbal and 154- Q for GRE. Math was my worst subject, so passing the 50th percentile mark was cathartic for me. As I've been studying English and classical texts for the majority of my life, I never really focused on improving that score, since it was already fairly high percentile-wise.

This, now, brings me to the LSAT. If I converted the GRE to the LSAT on ETS' little calculator, I get a score of 161. Now, from what I've been reading, that's a reasonably good score, and qualifies as the mean score for several of the t-35 schools. My GPA was a 3.4 (because acting, amirite?) and I wanted to get anybody's thoughts on whether or not I should study for the LSAT and improve in that regard, or just apply using my GRE score, if 161 would be too high to attain on my own. I haven't done a diagnostic test, but I'm worried that I'll have to study for another four months for the November LSAT or further just to attain a score that's pretty close to the 161 equivalent GRE exam that I took. Thoughts?

Also, If I'm in that range already, which schools seem reasonable to apply for and which would seem like stretch goals? There's so much noise about how to about this fresh, it's making a newbie like myself a bit hesitant in taking a step in any direction.

Personal experiences welcome, brag about it, let me know what you went through!

Best,

Michael

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has any advice for what I should study 8 weeks out? I have already completed the entire LSAT unlocked handbook by Kaplan, and really just need extra practice on Logic Games, Assumptions and Argument - based questions. I work full time, so I only have 6 to 10 hours a week I can put into studying. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

I am planning on (re)starting my LSAT studies soon for the November 17th, 2018 LSAT. This will give me about 4-5 months of FULL time studying. With that considered, which package should I buy?

Here is a little background info about myself in case it helps you answer my question.

Cold Diag 138.

Highest PT of 152

Official Score of 147 (studied for about 1 month, was very busy with full time job)

I am aiming for 160-165 , do you all believe this is possible to obtain with 4-5 months of full time studying?

Please feel free to drop any pointers, tips, and pieces of advice that might help me on my 4-5 month study journey.

Thanks all!

Does the LSAC still allow a watch with a non-click rotating bezel?

Hello everybody!

I recently wrote a draft of my diversity statement. I wrote it on being a first generation high school graduate and working my way through college (working on a farm, McDonald's, Mexican restaurant, Marriott hotel, Sears). I worked a bunch!

I shared my diversity statement with a couple of friends in law school and they were confused and asked why I didn't write it on being a Latina or a woman. I don't feel like those two aspects of my background are as important in my development as my first gen status/work experience has been. I could definitely write a story on being a Latina. I went to an all white school most of my childhood and my family would accuse me of acting white when I spoke. (I've read this diversity statement a dozen times from other applicants-doesn't feel new)

What do you all think?

Saw this online and thought I'd share...

You are very lucky and privileged to have access to almost unlimited knowledge and you should appreciate that.

Be one of those rare people who step over their insecurities and succeed.

Only 5 minutes. Only today. (Repeat it 5 minutes later and every day)

You will know what to do as soon as you start. Ideas never appear from inactivity.

Make yourself proud.

One hour every day doesn't feel like much but it's 365 hours a year. You can't not succeed after so much work.

It's not supposed to be easy. Nothing good is easy.

If you had a child to look after, you'd make them study because you want them to accomplish something. Don't you love yourself?

"Everything you want is on the other side of fear" - George Aair

Every mistake increases your chance to make progress.

If you give up now, you'll have to return to this later anyway but from the very beginning.

Let the process be your result.

Every moment you thought your fears would suppress you has become the time you made it.

Maybe you think you can never find something to use your skills and mindset for. But if you continue investing in what matters to you, it will find its way out there.

I allow you to think globally. You have the right to the boldest of dreams.

Hello everyone- I have 1 prof who is writing on of my lors as an academic reference , the school then wants a non academic reference for the second lor . Would it be ok to use a high school teacher providing I volunteered with him in my first year of undergrad. The recent places I worked at were Work study’s so I don’t want a peer to write the lor (they are the supervisors). The same goes for my voulenteer experience. So should I pick a peer supervisor/ coordinator or go with a high school teacher? And I can’t use another prof because they said non academic.

I am new to the 7Sage Community and all the discussion threads are very helpful. I stumbled upon the 7sage by looking for Logic Games explanations and was really impressed. Then after checking the forum and seeing the discussions, I had to join.

My goal was to take the September test and then retake in November and submit my application shortly after (not the best timeline but reasonable). However, due to my work schedule, adjunct course load, and other publishing obligations this past spring I was not able to focus on studying until like May 15th. I finished the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim and my PTs are at 152 and BR 160. I'm starting Logic games fool-proofing for PT 29 -38 and most likely going to do PT 42 -52 as well.

So my question is, what do you guys think if I skip the September Test and take November and February? I would submit my applications after November Test scores and then update it once Feb scores show. I know earlier applications are better but If everything else in my application is concrete would a late cycle application really adversely affect me an Admission decision for Fall 2019?

Thanks

C.Porter

Following off a thread stating that we should be focusing on pts 60-80s for rc ... does the same hold for lr why or why not

I’m trying to determine how much money studying with a tutor will cost me. I understand that they charge by the hour; however, I don’t necessarily know how many hours on average one spends with a tutor. I know this number is probably arbitrary but, if you did use a tutor, about how many hours did you spend with him/her? Thank you!

Hey all,

I was wondering where I can find the prompts to the supplementary essays (specifically for Cornell)? I checked their admissions page but there is only information on the personal statement. Am I looking in the right place/are these prompts only released once apps open in September?

Thanks!

Hey guys,

I am planning to take the July 23rd, 2018 exam. I would really like to get a hold of the copy of the June test if I can.

LSAC tells me that I won't be able to get a copy of the June 2018 test until August.

I am wondering if I can get a pdf copy of the June LSAT with the answer key. If any of you took the test, it should be available to you.

In attempts to get some of this material down to intuition, I've seen a lot of people say they have used flash cards to drill constantly. I have only done this with the logical group indicators even though it was like a folded flip sheet but same thing basically. What else have you all placed on flash cards? I know it's a few other things that I can put to use but I do not want to miss anything! If it can help, I want to apply it to flash cards.

Just started doing the questions from the problem sets. Should I use only the 1:24 time for each question to start out with? Or should I allow myself a longer time, say 2 minutes? Or not time myself at all to start out with?