I have hit the most literal plateau, and I take the test June 11 (also signed-up for July 23).

On my past FIVE tests I have scored a 167. No more, no less.

The good news is that this is my first time taking the test for real, so I think that a 167 is a fine score to have on record for my top choice schools (NYU, UofM, UC Berkeley). However, I'm so frustrated that I'm not pushing through to a 170+.

Each test I can feel the one section that does it to me - it is usually the second logical reasoning section... I go into it and feel fatigued looking at the questions/it is directly after break and I feel just out of it (-2 on first lr section, -6 on second).

Whenever I do logical reasoning outside of a PT, I get between -1 and -4, usually -1 to -3.

I feel like, at this point, I should be able to push above 170 for the real test in July (I hope). My blind reviews are consistently above 176. This plateau is just so frustrating. I also am hoping that the adrenaline rush on the day of the test might help keep me focused (usually adrenaline keeps me focused vs distracted).

I’m currently using the Premium pack and I was wondering if I should practice the older tests (37-58) first then use the newer ones (72-81) closer to the exam or vice versa? I obviously won’t go through all of them so I’m also trying to decide which specific tests I should use for PTing then keeping the extras for fool-proofing and experimentals.

Thanks!!

Hi All - I start my study schedule in a few weeks for the 11/17 exam and was looking through my schedule to week 16 and it states the following: "LSAT PrepTest 58, 59, 60, 61, - 3 lessons 3 hours".

Does this mean I am should be taking 4 full LSAT exams in one week? I have read folks taking one exam every week or maybe 2, but 4? Is my reading of the schedule correct?

Hello 7sagers,

I am trying to develop a collection of as many early preptests as I can so that I can practice understanding question types. I understand how to get the latests PTs , but I cant seem to find a few on amazon. I need preptets: 1-6, 8, 17, 39, and maybe many tests in the 40s. Am I missing something ? It seems like they do not exist . I want to give myself enough tests to practice with and I cant seem to find them in numerical order , if at all.

I've actually gotten better at managing my anxiety, however, any time I try meditation I can never focus hard or long enough. I always get too distracted, too bored, too side-tracked, etc. I know I'm making excuses, but I have really really tried to no avail. Can anyone help?

I just wanted to share a bit of good news because it never hurts - I just scored my first 174 on a 5 section, timed practice test! I started with a diagnostic of 155 in February 2017. For the past few weeks, I had been only scoring around an average of 168. Also, granted,this test was a retake, I took this PT in March 2017 and didn't BR at all and just tossed it aside after grading. This was during my stupid phase of "do as many PTs as possible" (10/10 would not recommend this). In short, this sudden increase has shown me what I am capable of. So thank you 7sage for providing such a comprehensive curriculum and thanks to all the community members for providing your expertise and support! Only excited for whats ahead. :)

What constitutes mature student? I’m referring to Canadian and American law schools. For some reason I thought it meant applying over the age of 25

Could someone explain Argument part and also tell me where JY talks about it in the content?

Hey everyone,

I'm not typically the person who turns to forums for help, but I am falling apart here and have no idea what else to do. After more than 30 PTs, my scores are not consistent. They have ranged anywhere from 161-175. I hit the high160s on my first few tests, and I was taken aback, and I thought there was only one place my scores could go, and that was up. But even now, after all of these tests, I still feel like I roll the dice every time I sit down to take one.

I always know when my score is going to be good. I feel good, my head is clear, and I have a killer instinct for most questions, especially in logical reasoning. But when I'm off, I know it, and things fall apart quickly. I'm unfocused, get frustrated, and second guess my answers. Sometimes I even struggle finishing a section. I have done everything to try and replicate the former state of mind (exercise, nutrition, rest, etc.), but nothing seems to keep me performing consistently.

My last 10 tests, taken about one day apart, were, respectively: 171, 164, 170, 164, 169, 163, 164, 171, 168, 175.

It's been quite discouraging and frustrating constantly going from a high score to a lower score. I have been studying since January, and I wanted to sit for the June exam, but I just couldn't because I am so inconsistent. I moved my test date to July in hopes of remedying this issue.

Should I allow a few more days in between my PTs? Has anyone experienced this type of issue?

All suggestions are welcome! Thank you so much.

This is probably a ridiculous question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I started studying for the LSAT a few days ago and I've been postponing taking a diagnostic because I'm afraid I'll get discouraged if I get a really low score. Do you think I should take it regardless? I guess I'm just looking for reassurance that no matter what score I'll get on my diagnostic, I will still be able to get a good score through hard work. What improvement have you all made since your diagnostic?

How do you study for the LSAT? I just finished the CC and watched the post-CC webinar so now the real work begins. I have all summer to study and I want to make the best use of time.

I've been racking my brain as to the best method to go about studying for he November 2018 test, and I know I want to go over the CC again, even if just a month, I already have it outlined and it will help me a lot, I'm sure. And then after that, I think I just need to start taking PT's. If I take two per week, and BR them, do 4 days of LSAT stuff, I should be able to get a decent score. I'm just rambling, but yea, help would be great. IDK, suggestions?

Hi guys,

I haven't written in a while and some of you have seen my posts as I was prepping for the LSAT. I'd like to let you all know that I actually got into law school! I just graduated from undergrad with my BA in Biology and Spanish a week ago and I will be attending U New Hampshire in the Fall! I couldn't have asked for a better school for Intellectual property.

I'm writing this mainly to say thank you all so much for all the help and support so many of you gave me. To those studying, the struggle is so worth it. I actually cried at my own graduation because of the sheer relief and joy I felt. I'm sure many of us on the other side have similar experiences too. :)

Peace out! Study hard and prosper.

I am in the early stages of CC and I had a few questions about the problem sets:

When do you do the problem sets? After the lesson or do you keep it for after your BR? I have the ultimate version of 7sage and I know I have all the problem sets. However, I just want to maximize the use of the limited questions we have to study from.

Are the problem sets arranged in terms of difficulty? (Easiest to hardest?)

When you are doing your problem sets – are you timing yourself? If so, how long should one pace themselves to do one LR question? Currently, because I am going through the practice problems and typing up the breakdown of the stimulus, etc. – it takes me about 5 mins or so per one question. I know this is not ideal – but I want to make sure I am going slowly while I am learning the content – rather than going fast and not understanding the concept.

Any help would much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

After a diagnostic exam, what is the next step? Blind review? Cry? Sleep? Throw your prep books away? We the people want to know

Hello everyone, super new user here. I'm hoping to write the July/September LSAT for the first time.

I thought I'd open a thread to just have people come here and talk and console each other. God knows how miserable we all are for taking on the beast that is LSAT.

Nonetheless, after much tears, sweat, and frustrations, we much carry on.

Thanks everyone beforehand for participating.

Hello!

So I am planning on taking the September 2018 LSAT and have finished CC at this point. I know the general consensus for the next step is to start Fool Proofing but I am still unsure whether I should upgrade to Ultimate+ or use materials that have been passed down to me. I started studying this time last year with an in-person class so I have PTs 42-81 (half of them are already marked in pen/pencil). A friend of mine passed down his used LSAT Trainer, all 3 Powerscore Bibles, and the Powerscore LSAT Game Type Training II (which contains games from PT 21-40 and I could potentially use to Fool Proof).

At this point, I'm conflicted about whether I should upgrade. I know the bundle and drill packs would be nice (plus the fact that all these materials would be unmarked!!!) but I'm not sure if the Ultimate+ cost is justified considering how many of the materials I already have. I would love any insight, especially from people who have shopped around/compared different LSAT materials options! Thank you!!!

Hi, all!

So I’ve noticed that I consistently sit there trying to understand the answer choice for flaw questions “presupposes as evidence the conclusion it is trying to establish” all the time. I also don’t know that I have ever seen that AC be the correct answer, yes each time I waste a solid 15 seconds trying to figure it out/see if the question could fit.

Can anyone help me dissect this and maybe provide some examples? It’s time I stop wasting time on this cookie cutter AC.

Thanks!

I just needed to share with folks who would understand my pride without coming off as arrogant to friends -- I just PT'ed under full testing conditions and got a 174. May or may not have started crying in public.

I have been massively struggling these last few weeks after deciding to retake when the Feb scores came out (was averaging a 168 and got a 164). My average is still right around 168 but I randomly got a 163 the other week and lost it. I wasn't sure if this retake was worth it, felt like I had been wasting my time, and almost decided to let that 164 define me and give up.

I have hit the 170's before but something felt different about this test.

Keep pushing people! It's worth it! Thank you 7sage!

Hi, everyone!

I need some help going through questions 16 and 18 of PT 77, Sec 2.

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Def not - this is not about whether someone should or should not, it is about whether something is or is not harmful

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So, I know this is the answer. But I am confused on how.... How do we know that an individual is interfering? Without having the information that "everyone either pursues folk remedies or conventional treatments" then couldn't someone who is promoting a folk remedy actually just be causing someone who would otherwise seek no remedy to at least be doing something about their health? I feel like there is a gap in this answer and I can't push myself to buy into the 'interfere' portion of this... Please help.

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Honesty is not relevant to this case

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responsibility is not relevant to this case

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-again, responsibility is not important here

Perhaps this is one where I'm overly caught up on semantics and should just let it be and recognize that the other ACs clearly are not correct. However, under timed conditions, I kept feeling like a different AC must have been right given the assumption that came with the word 'interfere'.

Thoughts?

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Does anyone know the policy on whether one can register for multiple upcoming tests, e.g., one in September and the other in November, prior to taking the first test?

So I should be finished with my CC by the end of this week and I will be starting to take PTs and foolproofing LG by June 4th which gives me enough time to do approximately 14-15 PTs. Is that enough? Too much? Too little? My target score is 163-166 and my cold diagnostic was 151.

I'm aiming to take the LSAT in September and am curious as to how many hours a day and how many days a week would be required to get a good score. I don't want to burn myself out but I also want to make sure I am doing enough daily to be prepared. I am considering the November as my backup test date too.

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Title says it all. I watched the post CC webinar and upgraded so I have access to everything now. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with the lack of structure and sheer amount of materials available now. For those who have been in a similar position, how did you proceed?