Finding a job as an actress on Broadway after the Wall Street Crash of 1929:

https://imgur.com/zKMfNHt

I noticed my Michigan law application didn’t have my extra par of extracurriculars and activities so I sent in an addendum as instructed over the phone by the admissions office. THEN I noticed that my attachment was incorrect so I sent another one out in a panic, saying here’s the correct PDF- my apologies.

I feel so stupid! Am I screwed? I know I sound crazy right now

For all those taking in July - registration is now live. Good luck getting a coveted test center!

https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/testdateweb.pdf

Does anyone know which of these tests will be non-disclosed/ disclosed?

September 8, 2018 (Sat)

November 17, 2018 (Sat)

January 26, 2019 (Sat)

March 30, 2019 (Sat)

June 3, 2019 (Mon)

July 29, 2019 (Mon)

I'm guessing the September 2018 and June 2019 tests will stay disclosed.

I think the March 2019 test (as a substitute for February?) and July 2019 test (assuming the July 2018 test is indicative of this) will be non-disclosed.

I'm mostly concerned about the November 2018 and January 2019 Tests.

Assumptions are welcome (if necessary). lol...

Thanks :)

Hey all,

Do you think after an interview you should be sending thank you e-mails to the person who interviewed you? (even if it was over Skype)?

I just finished my core curriculum and it’s practice sets .

I am not sure if I should do the prep test as I planned due to I got more than half wrong in most of the 4-5stars LR questions ! Can anyone give me some advices? Should I review fundamental again or do prep test instead? Thanks for the answers in advance !

Hey there everyone. Hope you’re studying is going well. I work full time (M-F/8-6) and just started my LSAT study. Not married, no kids. Is it too soon for me take the June exam? Is 3.5 months adequate time considering my work schedule? Should I spread my study out over 5.5 months and take the September exam?

Hi Guys,

How long does it normally take to receive your scores after you take the LSAT?

If I were to take the newly offered July test date, would that mean that I would be applying to schools before I even knew how well I had done on the test? Any insight, advice, and/or thoughts would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

Charlie

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I’ve benefited greatly from the 7sage course and community, so I’d like to contribute a few lessons learned from this all-too-often infuriating process.

I did minimal research before going all-in on 7sage in March 2017. The design of the course and the feedback from previous students just clicked instantly, so I didn’t hesitate.

I tried to use the June ‘07 test as a diagnostic, but I found that I was so lost when doing the logic games that I just gave up. I imagine I would have been in the 150s at best at that time.

I went through the vast majority of the CC from March-June before taking my first PT. I scored a 163 on PT 36 (timed, 4 sections). I was aiming for 175+ from the beginning to make up for a relatively low GPA (for top schools at least), so I knew I had a good deal of work ahead of me.

I studied an average of 20 hours per week (2-3 hours per work day and 5-10 hours on the weekend) from July through February. That was a combination of finishing the CC, consulting outside resources, drilling/foolproofing, and timed sections and PTs.

I signed up for the September 2017 exam before I was PTing in my desired range because I thought I would make progress more quickly on games than I did. I was really struggling with games overall, but I ended up doing fine on games and getting MURDERED by RC for a 169.

I learned from that experience and dove right into prep for December. I made a lot of progress, but I was studying right up until test day on top of my full time job and ended up mis-bubbling (probably due to exhaustion) for a 167. I moped for a day before resolving to learn from that experience, too.

I kept on working on my weaknesses and focused more on realistic test-day conditions. My PT average slowly crept up to 174 by February, and after taking the whole week before the exam off from anything LSAT-related I lucked out a bit and scored 175, 1 point above my average.

Here are a few things I learned along the way:

Saying that you can do all the problems but just have trouble with timing is like a sprinter saying they would have won the race if they had just gone a bit faster.

There is plenty of value in doing untimed studying and drills when learning the fundamentals. However, it’s important to transition to strict timed conditions as soon as possible, because how you deal with the time constraint is just as important as how well you understand any of the concepts that are being tested.

For an 8 month period I put the LSAT before work, family, friends, fitness, and (especially) recreation.

Getting 20 hours of LSAT prep on top of a 40-hour work week and the rest of daily life was not easy. Everything else went into maintenance mode. I guarded my time religiously- no extra assignments at work, one night out with my partner per week, limited time at the gym, no television, and very little of the reading that I typically enjoy.

20 hours of LSAT prep is not the equivalent of a part-time job in terms of energy- it’s much, much more. After a 35-minute logic games section, especially when I was struggling with them more, I would practically be gasping for breath. That level of focus and concentration is required for me to perform at my best, but it’s also extremely draining.

I used toggl, an online time tracker, to track the amount of time I was actually spending on LSAT prep down to the minute. I also tracked other areas of my life so I could see where I could carve out more time for my #1 priority.

I’ve read that the LSAT is as much a test of emotions as it is of intelligence, and that strikes me as true in my case. Putting in hours and hours and hours of prep over weeks and months only to see miniscule improvement (or even regression like when I went from 169 to 167) will make you question your sanity.

Nothing in my life made it reasonable to presume that I would eventually hit 175. I didn’t score that high on the SAT, I did ok in college, and I’ve been out of school for more than a decade. I was just hoping that I could get there, and that took an awful lot of faith.

Rather than get hung up on any particular section or PT, I focused on slow, steady improvement. I took it on faith that if I put in the time and studied the right way, I would get better at the test. I paid particular attention to my PT average over my previous 5 PTs, and the analytics from 7sage made it easy to know where I should be focusing my time (both between LR, LG, and RC and even down to what question types).

I enjoyed the CC and benefited from it greatly. Once I had the basics down, I got the most benefit from taking full, timed sections and, especially, 5-section PTs under test day conditions, followed by Blind Review.

If I could change one thing about my approach, I would have taken more 5-section PTs using the 7sage proctor. Mental (and even physical) fatigue is a real barrier to performing your best on test day, and that didn’t really sink in for me until I was preparing for my 3rd take.

I think the teaching methodology employed by 7sage is absolutely fantastic. So many times during my study I chose to accept 7sage’s approach without fully understanding at the time why it was necessary. Blind Review, Foolproofing games, and the focus on language and grammar are 3 good examples.

At the same time, no group course will be perfect for any given individual. I supplemented 7sage’s course with a number of LSAT books, partly because I wanted to add a different learning modality but also to fill in some gaps in my understanding. I don’t know if I should mention those resources here, but they probably made up 10-20% of my study and 7sage the vast majority.

I also went against the typical advice of only signing up for the exam when you’re PTing at or above your goal score. I did so because I wanted to learn from the test experience itself, and also because there is a fairly significant range of scores that are possible at any given level of ability, and there’s always the chance that you’ll score at the top or bottom of that range.

I took the test 3 times. Once I was right on my PT average (169/169), once I was well below it (167/172), and once I was just above it (175/174). It’s possible that I could have hit the mark on my 2nd test, and it’s also possible that I could have missed the mark on my 3rd test. There’s no way to account for every single variable that determines your score on test day, so I chose to give myself more chances and that paid off.

I think I’m also going against conventional wisdom by re-taking the exam for a 4th time in June. Most of what I’ve read online says that being at or above a school’s 75th (as 175 is for every school) is all that matters, but I see a material difference in outcomes for people with my GPA and a 175 vs 176-180, so I’m giving it one more shot. No ragrets and all that.

Well, I’ve got a PT to review so I’ll wrap things up here. Sorry if I rambled a bit, I’m still coming to grips with a life-changing score. Happy to answer any questions. Best of luck to everyone just starting out or still grinding away!

My wife and I were talking about her career during our evening dog walk. She has recently gotten a few nibbles from head hunters looking to steal her from her community outreach clinic and place her into a private practice setting. I asked her what she was thinking. She responded with, "the money would be a whole lot better but I wouldn't be able to help the population that I want to serve". The large majority of her patients are substance abuse mental health patients with low/no income.

I laughed and said that although I totally agree with how she feels, I apparently cannot say "I want to help out under-served populations" when admissions people ask me why I want to be lawyer. She said, "why not". I said, "I have no idea".

Why can't people want to be lawyers just to be able to help the less fortunate through the legal system? I have sat down with a local public defender and discussed his job at length. It sounds exactly like what I hope my career would look like.

Are there other professions in which feeling a call to service is seen as a less than desirable reason to enter?

Hey all,

I'm having some real trouble interpreting LSAC's policies regarding international transcripts. I figured I would post the question here to see if anyone else has had a similar situation.

I will try to explain my situation, and then explain how I am interpreting LSAC's policies as detailed on this page (https://www.lsac.org/jd/applying-to-law-school/international-transcripts) of the LSAC website.

My situation:

During my undergraduate career, I studied abroad in the People's Republic of China for 2 academic semesters. For one semester, I was an exchange student, meaning that my American university was sponsoring my study abroad. The other semester was not sponsored by my university. The two semesters were not completed at the same institution. I completed 21 credit hours of work during these two semesters, less than 1 year (24 credits) at my home university.

The transcripts from both semesters have been submitted and processed by my undergraduate institution, and appear on my transcript as transfer credits.

My interpretation:

Because,

1.My undergraduate institution is located in the United States, and

2. My study abroad was equivalent or less than 1 years worth of undergraduate study, and

3. (at least some) of my work was completed through an overseas study program clearly sponsored by U.S. school

Therefore, I am NOT required to submit each individual transcript from these institutions.

Is this a correct interpretation? I am confused in part because of the bullet points under the "People's Republic of China" heading on the website. Does this heading imply that all transcripts from institutions in the People's Republic of China must be submitted regardless of length or whether or not they were sponsored?

If anyone has any insight for this, please let me know. If I have to get individual transcripts, it's going to be a several month process...

Hey does anyone have any links to informative websites discussing the waitlist process and what to do. Also I'm looking for help regarding LOCI; any samples to read from? Thanks.

Hello everyone, I’m currently a full-time undergraduate in my 3rd year of uni and am determined to take the lsat next summer. However, I really need some advice regarding how I should plan this journey. Should I start from taking one of the prep tests or from studying powerscore series? And which category should I start with? I am immensely clueless about where to begin with, please help!!

Just want to reach out and see who would be interested in meeting up to take timed exams on Saturday mornings in Chicago? I have a car and can drive to most places to meet. I'm sure we could find a quiet place or library and have a timer (or the 7Sage online proctor) on the table while we take the exam together. I know I usually struggle getting up every Saturday morning to take a timed PT, but being able to sit for one in a group would make it much more likely for me to accomplish and make me better prepared for test day. I'm sure I'm not the only one struggling with timing and taking timely PTs. I'm also open to meeting people throughout the week to do in person BR for the PT we completed.

I'm registered for the June 2018 administration and am gunning for that test date. I'm pretty close to my target score, but absolutely need to start working on timing and details.

I took December and February lsat. I started applying with my December score. Golden Gate's aggressive email advertising and fee waiver made me apply there. I wanted to send a first-tester app, to a low rank school, just to give the process a dry run. Well, I got in with my fIrst score, almost full ride, and pre admitted for their honor student program... I took February lsat, but decided not to check my score. Apps are sent, schools know.

Now, the question is: would you consider going to a no-rank school for free? Would finding a job be an issue? Any of you with similar experiences?

How many times have you all taken the real LSAT ?

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So I was rejected at a school last year that was one of my top choices. My LSAT score was below their 25th, but I took the chance. I owe it to 7Sage for my 11 point increase- which took me right above their 75th! I had submitted my app in November, to study for my retake, and they reviewed my app already and called me this evening to say they accepted me with a scholarship! It is more than half the tuition, and I am so excited you guys. I got into one school before I retook the lsat, an awful school. I was settling, taking the path of least resistance. But I studied and studied and brought my score up and sat for that damn test for the second time..I dodged a bullet, and saved a ton of money. I'm talking a 6 figure difference here. I was going to go to a school at full ticket price, no scholly, and probably be doomed for future jobs. But I prevailed. Never settle guys! I am excited to hear from other schools I have apps into. A couple I am a bit more above their 75th so I'm hopeful for more money!! I am stoked!

Hi 7sage! After the Dec test, I had to take a mental break. Now that Feb scores came out, I'm looking at all the threads and wondering if I could get a higher score.

Context: I'm a second semester junior right now, planning on applying in Fall 2018. I have not looked at the LSAT since Dec. 2 lmao. I also scored a 173, when my highest PT had been 171. With my GPA, I'm looking at T3. I know that retaking the exam doesn't matter, except to Yale. And I'm pretty sure a 173 on the first try looks good to adcoms. My concern is that if I were to score lower than 173, Yale would nope-out. So my question: is it worth the risk?

Dear All,

So I've been studying on and off for the past two years and took the February 2018 and did way below than what I expected. I applied and submitted my applications to some of my local law schools but am certain that with the score received I will not be admitted. To summarize, I am not sure whether my approach to studying this test is effective or if it's just a test that I am not able to master?

I work a very demanding job in a big law firm and it's a struggle trying to manage the tasks given to me in addition to studying for this test. I am still contemplating what to do and should I take another crack at this test, I think I will be either shooting for the July or September 2018 test. Any advice as to how to overcome this defeated mindset and suggestions as to how to improve on this test. My goal is to get into the 160s and I am awful at logic games, which people say is the easiest to learn and can't seem to do them under time conditions. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

thanks!

Is anyone else feeling this way? I’m working a 9-5 job and am increasingly feeling unsatisfied with it. Just feeling like I’m in limbo and going crazy while I wait for Law School moves for next year. Literally can’t wait till I quit this place! I’m frustrated because I need the money but can’t leave since I’ve only a few more months to go...but man this place drives me crazy

I just took the LSAT in Feb for the 1st time and started studying in Late December. I scored a 153, not what I was looking for from my PTs but still in the 25-75 range of the schools I am looking to attend. I am a non-traditional candidate 39, family of 5, with BS and PhDs in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering from top 25 schools. I am just debating on continuing to study for the June or July LSAT or prepping for the patent bar. If I can get into to schools with my numbers now I would rather focus my time on the patent bar. Anyone have any idea how long it takes to get application responses back? I would do both but with a family and a full time job my time is limited so I’ll need to pick a path. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Brand new to this awesome community so hi!!

Not sure if this is already explained somewhere... but how should we study the CC?

I gather we should save the PTs until after finishing the curriculum as to not waste them, but should we be using the Question Bank concurrently with (and if so, is this already embedded in the study schedule?) or after finishing the CC?

Hi All,

I got my February score back, and I'm nothing but ecstatic about it. I went from 160 in December to 171 in February. I owe a lot to this community. I didn't post much on here but I creeped, and I used a lot of the (free) 7sage materials. I feel like if I can help even one person get motivated and get the score they want, then this thread was worth writing. I have a description below of my LSAT experience and then some advice for anyone who wants it. Are you tired of egotistical high scorers giving advice? Then skip this thread. I was so tired of reading about ivy league wannabe's scoring 170+ whining about how bad they were doing/did that I totally feel your pain and I don't judge you for not wanting to hear about it. For the TLDR just read the itemized points and take what you want or ignore if you think it's stupid!

I applied to the Air Force 2.5 years ago, and it has been a slow process. After passing all the selection criteria, but going months of waiting and not getting called, I needed a backup in my life (I'm still waiting as of writing this post). The LSAT seemed like a good thing to put in my back pocket, and admission to some law schools wouldn't hurt if the time came. I had an older version of the Powerscore books sitting around, and I pulled them out (I didn't know what 7sage was). Starting on October 1st, I spent about 3 weeks deep in all 3 books reading them and taking notes and studying them carefully. Although I did some travelling during this time (Las Vegas and Tofino B.C.), I was spending at least 4-5 hours a day studying, with a day or two off a week. The only exam I had written prior to this was about 2 years earlier and I got about 50% of the questions right, putting me somewhere around the 30th percentile, although that's just a guess. After my power-score studying, I wrote my first exam and got a 161. I then focused on practicing from November until December just doing older practice exams. My highest PT was 167, the night before my December exam, and my lowest was a 161 (minus a weird outlier 156 where I got so frustrated in a logic game that I gave up). I wrote the December exam and it ended in tragedy. I scored a 160, below my average PT of 163, and it was the lowest practice test of ANY practice test I had done.

I became kind of bummed so I re-registered for February, and didn't start studying until January 3rd, giving me about a month to prepare. My mind was back in the cockpit of a fighter jet not in a Dean's office. What had butchered my December score was a weak logic games, so while I kept telling myself I would do full PT's and stuff, I never really did I kinda just practiced logic games over and over again until even in a super hard one I could keep my cool and minimize lost points. I sort of used the 7sage foolproof method for logic games, but less rigorously. The truth is that while I put in some good time, I wasn't a crazy aspiring lawyer, and I didn't put in insane time. I put in the work, and combined with a decent aptitude for the exam, did okay. Especially prior to my February exam, I was doing almost exclusively logic games, and spent most of my time working and in the gym. Maybe 1-3 hours a day, 3-4 days a week or something like that.

Before the February exam, I intentionally didn't look at an exam for 5 days prior to the test. I sat down and wrote on February 12th, and it went fine. I assumed I did a 165, since my highest PT hadn't got much higher (169), and I didn't really put in much extra work other than reducing variability on Logic Games. I got my score back yesterday, and I just about collapsed when I saw a 171. Now, this is a good score, but it's not like a 176 or 177 or something. I'm not an LSAT genius. I moved 11 LSAT points and 18 percentile points from my previous real sit down. Now I'll probably get into the law schools I applied to, and maybe next year just for Sh*ts and giggles I'll apply to some ivy schools and see what happens, but I'm not some crazy SJW or involved in every single issue in the world like I was in high school, so I'm not sure I'm Ivy material. So that's my story, and if you relate at all, or care about what I learned, I have some scattered advice below. Take what makes sense and leave what doesn't. This is a great community of people, and even though people who score high always sound a little bit egotistical when they talk, it really comes from a place of knowing that in the past we were sitting with lower scores, reading about other people who were doing better than us, and it's difficult to qualify why your help might be valuable to someone without first saying that you actually do well on the test.

In no particular order:

Be a killer. This exam is NOT about how many questions you get right. It's about how many questions you get right COMPARED TO THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO YOU. This is an exam about percentiles not raw scores. If the question you're reading is easy, it's easy for the next person too. Answer the question faster and better, take every edge you possibly can at all times. Powerscore says it well, ATTACK the questions, no matter how confident you are, and move on.

Start early. This exam is in the truest sense a marathon and not a sprint. Learning the exam takes time. I'd rather do 10 practice test over 3 months than to do 20 practice tests in one. This stuff is more like taking edibles than ripping the bong, it takes a while to hit you.

Your brain gets tired. I saw CONSISTENTLY that when I took a week off from a long period of hard studying, I would come back that day and score 5 or more points higher than my previous test. The LSAT is an intelligence (intelligence about a particular way of thinking) test not a knowledge test (the MCAT is the opposite in this respect, every extra bit of stuff you can memorize helps). Every single exam has different questions, and your brain needs to be stretchy to adapt and understand the material. So, take the time to load KNOWLEDGE into your brain (LG games strategies, LR and RC question types, test strategies, etc. etc.), and then take time to give your brain a chance to soak it in so that when you hit that full length practice test, it has every ounce of INTELLIGENCE in it. You'll feel it; after a few days off all the questions seem easier. For those mechanically inclined, studying and PT'ing back to back is like filling your high performance engine with 87 octane. The engine knocks, gets less power and might blow up. But give it a few days rest and you're giving it 94 octane and the perfect tune.

Nail the logic games. The LG section is probably the only one where you can have 0 aptitude for it, but still do amazingly well. The 7sage method works well. Do a a LG games section, and then give it a day and do it again the next day, and the next, and the next until you really understand it. Once it's perfect put it on the back burner, then come back to it some time later and nail it to remember the tricks and to boost your confidence. Nailing the logic games and then guessing on the rest of the exam will give you a 140. Nailing the LG and then getting only 50% right on the other questions puts you in the 63ish percentile. The video explanations on this site are THE BOMB so use them.

Analyze your mistakes. Analyze. Your. Mistakes. Or as millennials do, Analyze (clap emoji) Your (clap emoji) Mistakes (clap emoji). I didn't use the blind review method. I'm pretty lazy, and going back and analyzing questions I'm not even sure I got wrong was tedious and annoying. I would do this: Write a Practice test and grade it. Cry about my score (I'm a 6' 250 lb dude) and have a snack so I can't remember what the right answers to the wrong questions were. For LR I would re-do all of my wrong questions. I would write down the question type/category (which helps me on harder questions so I can use systemic approaches when necessary), then I would write down why I chose the wrong answer, then select what I thought was the right answer and explain why I thought it was right. I would do this for all of them and check the answers again, and hopefully they were all right. If not, same thing again. The key is to really take time to think about WHY you got it wrong, and understand PERFECTLY why you were such an idiot for not getting it right the first time. You want to feel stupid after this process. For the RC I would start reading the passages again, then stop because RC sucks A** and I'll never get better at it. I would review the wrong questions and the right answers just to get a feel for it, which probably helped my score a little, but I spent very little time on this. For logic games, I would do them over and over again until I got it right, then use the approach above^(4.) to do it well. Honestly, the best thing I did was spend more time understanding why I got questions wrong, and less time actually writing practice exams. If you have a good work ethic unlike yours truly, using this method religiously on all the PT's is going to net you an objectively awesome score.

Put your phone in a different room when you study.

Get a job that lets you focus. I drove Uber. I like shooting the sh*t with people and driving my car (I have a 4.97 driver rating heck ya I ball hard NBD). I'd work enough to pay the bills whenever I wanted, went to the gym as much as I wanted and then pretended to study more than I actually studied for the rest of the day.

If you don't have the luxury of living at home and working part time like I did, try and change that. If you cant, spend less time doing stupid stuff that's not making your score better, but leave enough time to have fun.

Do not, under any circumstances, study for this exam if you are easily discouraged or if you're not really sure you want it.

Do NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, listen to the stupid people here who whine about ridiculously high scores and claim that they achieved this with minimal work (i've been half guilty of both sides of this in the past and even now). These people, I've determined, are liars or extreme outliers, and much more likely to be the former than the later. Don't believe anyone who says they scored more than 165 on their first exam with no studying.

So to end, this is my unsolicited contribution to you folks at 7sage. Take it or leave it. Hopefully instead of law i'm flying mach two somewhere, but if not i'll see you guys in class. Good luck to all of you, and feel free to comment what you think of my strategy.