Hey, all. I was recently having a convo with someone else studying for the test. The convo was regarding timed and untimed scores. I said that if one scores the same on a timed PT as on an untimed PT that indicates a lack in knowledge and fundamentals because untimed you have time to think out strategy and whatever else to get the correct answer but you still didn’t. The other person didn’t agree. What are your thoughts?

I just got my score back, after over 48 hours of waiting... 174! I'm so happy with this as I had been PT'ing at 167-169. Especially after registering and cancelling September because I didn't feel ready.

I just wanted to thank you guys for keeping me sane during this entire process and guiding me in the right direction. 7sage curriculum really helped me and I was on autopilot during the test. For anyone who didn't quite get the score they wanted, don't give up hope! Any one of us can improve our mastery of the fundamentals and there will always be time to retake. Just gotta put in the work and believe in yourself. I really appreciate you guys!

P.S. My IRR and disclosure book weren't available after getting the score. Should I be concerned?

Best,

Matt

Turns out this was not a waste of money at all...

I’m so disappointed/lost/confused/sad/discouraged. I studied for the LSAT full time for six months. I was averaging around 158-160 for a solid four months. I took the September LSAT and fell 9 points below my average PT score. I figured I was just experiencing test anxiety (I’m a terrible test taker), and would try again in December. Now that I know the process, I won’t be anxious in December, right? Wrong. I completely and utterly bombed my December exam. To the point that Iaughed when I saw my score, then cried, then laughed again. I felt like a crazy person. I fell 16 POINTS BELOW my average. I printed out the test and retook it at home yesterday without looking at my previous answers, so that I could really give it an honest shot and see where I messed up. I scored my average PT score again. I’m so upset and disappointed in myself because I KNOW I can do this. I know I understand the material and that I can hit my average. I’m just so confused and scared now to retake in February. I registered for February but I’m really hesitant now. I’m afraid I’m going to fall even lower than my Dec test (if that’s even humanly possible- my score was so hideous), and to be honest, I don’t even know if I have the mental stamina to take this damn devil of a test again :( any advice, thoughts, comments or words of encouragement would be so great. I’m so clouded. Thanks in advance, everyone!

After having received my December score (152) I have chosen to retake in February. Leading up to December I used the Trainer and Powerscore for LG. I was PTing between 158-162 consistently which is my target score range. Not sure what went wrong on test day, probably a combination of nerves and not having a full grasp on LR. (typically would go -6 to -8 while PTing for LR) What would be the best way to increase my understanding before February? Focus back on the Trainer or sign up for a CC course or just drill and BR? Thanks

I need to write this, because even with all the hard work I put in, I got a score I am happy with today because of this community. The support, kindness, and encouragement that 7Sage offers is unlike any other LSAT resource. At my lowest points during my year and a half of studying the people of 7Sage were there for me and willing to be shoulders to lean on. The collective intelligence and sense of community that this forum provides was essential to my success. So truely, thank you 7Sage. I will stick around to help others enjoy the same degree of success that I am enjoying today. It’s my turn to give back to the community.

Always remember you have it in you. You CAN get the score you want!

Hello,

I submitted my application to Northwestern and registered for an online interview. Kinda nervous. Anyone has any tips? Or if anyone went through it what was your experience?

P.S. It is by far my top choice :)

I need to improve 5-8 points for February.... trust me I have plenty of room to improve.... if you are interested in giving some advice to me, message me and I'll give you my December stats.... for the sake of humiliating myself.... keep in mind i took it relatively cold, i know mistake..... i'm just struggling to even begin to know where to start....

SW

Hello! I just need some advice. I got the same score on my LSAT score from December 2016 and December 2017, do I need to write an addendum twice or can I just submit my application? The reason for the gap in taking the test is I decided to take a year off before starting law school and I retook the test to see if I could get a higher score or not.

I was hopeful that I could apply this cycle and most of my recommenders have already uploaded my recs to my file, unfortunately that won't be the case. Does CAS save my transcripts & LORs so I can reuse next cycle? Or will I have to repurchase it and ask them to upload everything again next year? Also some recommenders haven't uploaded yet, do I ask them to wait for next year?

Thank you!

When I first received my score from the September LSAT, I was discouraged. I scored a 151, well below my expectations. Powerscore simply wasn't working for me. I made the switch to 7sage, which might have been the best thing I could have done honestly. J.Y makes things so easy to understand, and it really helped me better myself at LR and RC.

Anyways, ended up with a 160 on this LSAT.

Moral of the story, YOU CAN DO IT! You can definitely increase your totals before February, I have faith in each and every one of you.

:)

I just got my LSAT score and i got a 170, I am not sure if i will take it again, however, this would not have been possible without the guidance of the 7sage community. I absolutely sucked at standardised tests but with 7sage's help I was able to improve my skills a lot. It was especially helpful cause i am an international student and English is not my native language (my RC was as bad as it can get).Thank you guys. Also, i will be happy to help anyone here looking to break plateaus or anything else with whatever knowledge I have of the LSAT. Don't give up guys, this was not my first attempt and i thought i will never touch a 170.

So I took the December LSAT, and I'm not happy with my score, I want to take the February one. Any advice on how to improve? or study schedule that has worked for other people? Is it better to have a study partner or practice alone etc. ? Thank you!!

Hey all, I'm aiming on nailing the logic games concepts so deeply in my head that they become easy to me, so I'll be consistently posting on this forum with plenty of questions up until my February testing. I apologize in advance.

My question concerns the biconditionals. I am taking this example from PT26 S1G4.

Here it says "G and V do not serve on the panel in the same year" which translates to G --> /V and V --> /G (contrapositive)

Then another rule says "Either I or V serve on the panel, but not both" which translates to I --> /V and V --> /I also shown in double arrows I (--) /V.

One of them, the I and V rule was called a biconditional by the instructor which I understand as it meaning the the presence of one confirms the absence of the other...But now I'm wondering what is the difference between the first and second rule. Because right now they look the same to me, but I know there is an inherent concept. I already understand the difference between both and but not both, but I'm a little confused here - anything would be helpful.

Thank you

I cannot check. I’ve tried twice and I just can’t bring myself to do it.

Hi there,

I had severe test day anxiety and froze up during the test. I just got my score and its a 155. My preptests were solidly 170-174. I have a 3.98 GPA from a top college. I am applying for accommodations for my next test. Does an initial 155 ruin my chances of going to a top school (Harvard, Columbia, Stanford) if I'm able to score a 170+ with accommodations the second time around?

Thanks,

Claire

If you submit applications through LSAC, and then get a new LSAT score, does LSAC send the score to all the schools I applied to? I'm wondering if there's a way to check or confirm that the schools see the new score.

Hey guys! I need a couple more points for the February test. What are some "last-minute" measures I should take? I just go the LSAT trainer book and is working hard at it. What else should I do?

Hey guys.

In short... I basically took my Dec. lsat cold...141... sucks I know.... the law school I want to go to has an evening program. A 145 would secure me.... Can I get this by Feb? with 7sage? Wanting to attend Northern Kentucky.... not a top school but it's my #1 school for a variety of reasons... my law mentor went there and it's in my state...

I had to focus time on finishing my doctoral project in leadership. Thankfully, I can breathe now and focus on the test. With my GPA and 141, the lsac calculator says I have a 50-70% chance of getting in.... I'm just not convinced....possible? I'm already signed up to retake so I don't need convincing....just curious where I would stand right now....

anyways, 7sage in a month and 1/2?

God bless my friends.

I dreamed about this day. The day that I would receive my score & post here to give my thanks and express my joy. How badly I wish that was the case for my writing this post .... I graduated in the spring and decided not to work post graduation so I could study full time for the LSAT. Fast forward 6 months of dedicated studying and scoring in the 160's, I open up my email from LSAC to find my score, 151. To say that I am distraught is a grave understatement. I am beginning to convince myself that I simply do not have the type of intelligence that the LSAT tests. I was going to send out my applications once I received my score but now I don't even know where I should go from here. I want to go to law school more than anything. Especially, this cycle. But I don't think I have it in me to put so much of myself into something once more and get nothing in return.

Mine is grey and I’m currently waiting. Every comment I’ve seen so far from people who have received their scores seems to suggest they did worse than their PTs and previous tests. It’s making me nervous. Did anyone feel the opposite way?

The words to describe how i feel at this moment is tough. When i first took the lsat, i didnt study. I was confident. My score in june was 142. Not good. My score reflected my study habit.

For the past 4 months, here in 7sage, i studied, understood the concepts. Knew how to breakdown a question and choose the right answer choice, knew the logic games, reading comp., i understood why i got a 142 in june and how i can get better score because of what i learned.

To my disbelief, today, i see i scored 12 pts lower then my june score.

How? Where did i fail? Why is this fucking test so goddamn hard!?

So, this may be the worse place to ask this, but the TLS page on this has many outdated links and information. My question is has anyone done an in class prep course? If so, how did you like it? Did you mix in 7sage info with your course If so, was that helpful? Also, any general pros and cons about in class prep specifically with powerscore or any company. Thank you!

Hi 7sagers, I'm sad and if you are too, then you're not alone. For those who got the score they want, congratulations and I hope you are celebrating this weekend.

I've been lurking around 7sage but never posted. Figured today would be a good day to post and ask "what are my chances".

I've taken the LSAT 3x at this point. I cancelled the first 2 scores and now this third score is a 167. I've signed up for February but is a 4th retake even a good idea? I was hoping to get a 170 or higher but that didn't happen.

Softs: Graduated in three years at a top 20 university (its a public univ), 3 strong academic LOR's, student government elected, extensive extracurriculars, LGBT, and current job at Google.

What are my chances at:

Thanks for any and all insight! This whole process is literally so laksdjfoiwruowjfsd

Hey everyone,

I just got done with my INDIVIDUAL Georgetown interview. I thought it would be helpful if I laid out my experience so people may learn from it, or in case you have a Georgetown interview coming up soon!

So first, in case you were wondering, it went really well for me. Like really really well. Like extraordinarily well :smile:

Here are my "situational" takeaways:

1. It was very informal

You should still wear a suit, but the interview itself was not structured at all. In fact, when my interviewer walked in (after a brief banter about the ties we were wearing) he explicitly said "This interview is very informal, so don't be stressed."

2. It was "so I could learn more about Georgetown."

In fact he never said it was so Georgetown could learn more about me. It honestly felt more like he was selling me on Georgetown than I was selling myself to Georgetown.

3. It was so they could make sure I was a human being.

In fact, my interviewer explicitly said that. They want to make sure that you aren't just a great resume and numbers, but can actually be social and like, you know, talk to people :smile:

Here are my suggestions of how to prepare:

1. Know your resume.

Be prepared to discuss the jobs you held and what roles you played (informally). My interviewer talked through some of the jobs I held and asked me about what my role was. He asked me about my time working on a presidential campaign, and I talked through my general responsibilities. Additionally, he asked me about my time interning for an appellate court. *He asked me about the procedure of how appellate cases were decided. I recommend that if you have any law-related experience on your resume, you should work hard to remember the specifics of what you did. Afterall, you'll be interviewing with (presumably) a lawyer and they will know the topic in depth.

---1a. If there are any atypical things on your resume, be prepared to discuss them.

----------For example, I transferred from one school to another after my freshman year. Just be able to come up with a coherent reason why you did the thing you did. If you transferred, I highly recommend you have a more compelling story than "I just didn't like my old school." You should be able to discuss at length why you did X, Y, or Z.

2. Be a good conversationalist.

As I said before, this interview was NOT formal. It was NOT my interviewer reading from a list of questions and jotting down notes. Instead, it was a conversation. That being said, you should be good at small talk. If they bring up their children it's not bad to ask about their age, what college they go to, etc. It's not bad to ask questions either, and you should ask questions throughout, since there is no formal "Q and A" portion of the interview. Just smile and be friendly and open, and don't be scared to go down a relevant tangent every now and again (me and my interviewer talked about felony disenfranchisement for 10ish minutes).

3. Bring questions! AND LOTS OF THEM!

And these don't have to be super specific questions either! Just ask what their experience was like at Georgetown, what the professors were like, what was the student community like, etc. Also as said above, just ask questions throughout the interview since there is no Q and A. The interview will be more like a conversation, and it's good if you have questions ready to be able to fill the awkward lulls and transition to new topics.

----3a. Ask questions about your interviewer's experience

-----------I feel like this is just a good interviewing tip. Someone once told me "people rarely remember what you say, but they remember how you made them feel." It makes people feel good to talk about themselves, so let them :smile:

4. Be prepared to answer soft-ball questions.

Like your typical ones: why law? what field of law are you interested in? I wasn't explicitly asked a question about "why Georgetown?" but I'd be prepared to give that answer too. I had no hard-ball questions though. Nothing like "what was a stressful situation you were in and how did you get out of it?" type questions.

All in all, my Georgetown interview process was really nice. Congruent with what others have said before, its very informal and felt more like they were selling me Georgetown than I was selling myself.

If you have an individual interview, it's probably a good sign! It felt more like a gateway than a test for admission. One pre-law advisor said that among individuals who received an individual Georgetown interview, 75% are admitted. So if you got an individual interview, just sit back, relax, and be yourself! So long as, you know, "yourself" is a cool person :smile: