Hello - Is there a way to download the analytics you get after you score a PT? I would love to have an Excel spreadsheet with all that data so I can sort it on my own to see what I can focus on, etc.

So I’ll admit that I always seem to rush things once I finally get started. I graduated with my AS degree back in 2000 and now I am finishing my BA. I started classes this summer with a full load and hope to be done in 18-24 months.

I’ve been focused on trying to take the LSAT in January 2019, but does that even make sense? If I can’t apply until after summer 2020 at the earliest does it make sense to try and test so soon?

Maybe I should focus on classes and studying as much as possible right now, and test next summer- which would give me plenty of time to re-test if need be.

Any suggestions?

Is there a way to make the analytics accurate (total percentage ) if you only do certain sections from a test . For example for pt 52 I did 2 sections but it scored the ones I didn’t do as incorrect .

Hello everyone.

I'm feeling a little bit lost here. I took the June 2018 LSAT and I didn't get the score I wanted. Prior to that I read all of the Powerscore bibles and did a bunch of practice tests. I was scoring better on the practice tests than I did on the actual LSAT so when I got my score I was shocked to say the least. Now I've started studying for the September test with 7Sage and it's great but it feels redundant to watch all of these lessons when I kind of know most of it already from previous prep. Does anyone have any tips for me to maximize my usage of this course without feeling like I'm wasting valuable time, because September is right around the corner. Also I'm enrolled in the starter pack. Thanks in advance for the advice!

Hi all,

I was registered to do a PowerScore in person class in less than a week, because I really like the self study books and thought it would be good for me. However, exactly a week before the class was set to begin, I received a phone call saying the class was canceled due to lack of attendance. Pretty shitty of them. However, I immediately signed up for 7sage Ultimate instead, which I think will end up working out better for me, in the end.

My question now is should I start from the very beginning of the CC, or what? I've been studying hard for about 2 months now (and overall, much longer than that), with the PowerScore books. I started from the beginning of the lessons two days ago, and quickly became discouraged because in a sense, it felt like I was starting from the very beginning again. I became frustrated.

Of some subjects, I feel I already have a very good understanding. That being said, of others, I need to improve mine, because I've plateaued at 157 for awhile now. Really sucks. What should I do? My aim was to take the September LSAT. The only PowerScore self study guide I didn't have was the Reading Comp one, so maybe just start from that for the beginning? But I still feel I need to have a much stronger understanding of Logical Reasoning? Help! Feeling frustrated and a bit lost.

Over the course of 2 years I took the LSAT 3 times and studied my ass off. I spent countless hours learning, reading this forum and taking PT's... I had an excellent tutor @Sami (even though I'm a bad student). I wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributes to this forum, Sami and 7Sage as a whole.

End result: I got about $450 a semester shy of a full ride to my choice law school and couldn't have done it without you guys.

This is sort of random. I'm not exactly superstitious. I do strongly believe in the power of mind control and know that mindset plays a powerful role in the LSAT. Also, I know confidence is important. So, this happens to me, and I'm wondering if to anyone else. For instance in LG fool-proofing. I get on a roll where I'm doing fantastic. I'm getting -0 and under JY's recommended time. Then I feel great, I mean I feel great. Then, shortly thereafter, I'll screw up. And I think it's my confidence that gets in the way. I screw up and then curse myself. But then, once I have that awful feeling of sucking, I do better again. But, the happy feeling feels much better than does the discouraging feeling. It's like the discouraging feeling helps me to pay more attention to the rules. Being on cloud 9 has my judgment cloudy. How do I level this playing field for myself? Do I need to go into my test feeling like shit and doubting myself in order to do well? That does not sound like the type of mindset anyone would suggest... * sigh *

I am planning on (re)starting my LSAT studies soon for the November 17th, 2018 LSAT. This will give me about 4-5 months of FULL time studying. With that considered, which package should I buy?

Here is a little background info about myself in case it helps you answer my question.

Cold Diag 138.

Highest PT of 152

Official Score of 147 (studied for about 1 month, was very busy with full time job)

I am aiming for 160-165 , do you all believe this is possible to obtain with 4-5 months of full time studying?

Please feel free to drop any pointers, tips, and pieces of advice that might help me on my 4-5 month study journey.

Thanks all!

Just got my LSAT score, I gave it for the second time and scored a 165. My first attempt was a 157. I'm not satisfied with my scores since my PT average was a 175, but I have severe anxiety problems and had to rush to the bathroom twice during the test because I felt like I was going to throw up, so this score was only natural. I'm planning to give it again (my last and final try), but Asia has only two more test dates for this cycle- October and January.

October is a tad bit early in my opinion, but I can make it work. I don't need to go over the CC again since I've thoroughly studied it twice now. I'll just start PT-ing from this Saturday.

I was curious if January was too late for this cycle. I'm also worried about burnout, since this will be my third time and I'm already very disheartened. Thoughts?

I am one of the older "wiser" (haha) LSAT takers and I started studying full time in October. I have been out of college for 30 years (yeah you read that right)... My goal was to score in the low 160's to get into my state law school that has great social justice / legal aid clinics and is the most affordable for me (I will have 2 kids in college in September!).

I was progressing steadily but then hit some crazy inconsistent scores in May with some of the later PT'S after hitting the low 160's a few times. I was slightly panicked and did not know what to expect sitting for June, but I managed to keep my wits about me and go in fairly focused. I did not hit my goal (just under) but kept the score to be sent with my super late application for this fall. Well, not only did I get in but with a hefty and totally unexpected merit scholarship. SO! All this to say a hearty thanks to 7 Sage - the curriculum is the best out there and the community is really an invaluable part of beating the head game that makes the LSAT such a brutal experience. And to those of you not shooting for a 170 or a T-14 school, keep at it and don't get discouraged when it all feels overwhelming and impossible. If I can do it, you definitely can do it. Shout out to the old-timers who like me are starting in September, good luck!

I've taken some formal logic classes in the past and am familiar with some of the rules they use. I've really been struggling with parallel reasoning questions so I've returned to studying valid categorical syllogisms. Long story short, I've encountered some areas in formal logic which seem to contradict the lawgic lessons of 7sage.

For example, universal negative propositions (No S is P) can be diagrammed in lawgic S ---> ~P. This form of diagramming and the 7sage lessons imply that P ---> ~S is a valid inference (contraposition). In formal logic, however, this is not a valid form of contraposition. You can contrapose No S is P to infer that some non-P is not non-S (with limitation).

I don't mean to get this deep into formal logic but this contradiction is apparent from even a shallow review of valid syllogism forms.

Am I missing something? Or are there areas on the LSAT that do not conform to formal Aristotelian/Boolean logic?

Is there anyone else that has studied formal logic deeply and successfully applied it to the LSAT?

I’m trying to determine how much money studying with a tutor will cost me. I understand that they charge by the hour; however, I don’t necessarily know how many hours on average one spends with a tutor. I know this number is probably arbitrary but, if you did use a tutor, about how many hours did you spend with him/her? Thank you!

Hello everybody!

I recently wrote a draft of my diversity statement. I wrote it on being a first generation high school graduate and working my way through college (working on a farm, McDonald's, Mexican restaurant, Marriott hotel, Sears). I worked a bunch!

I shared my diversity statement with a couple of friends in law school and they were confused and asked why I didn't write it on being a Latina or a woman. I don't feel like those two aspects of my background are as important in my development as my first gen status/work experience has been. I could definitely write a story on being a Latina. I went to an all white school most of my childhood and my family would accuse me of acting white when I spoke. (I've read this diversity statement a dozen times from other applicants-doesn't feel new)

What do you all think?

Following off a thread stating that we should be focusing on pts 60-80s for rc ... does the same hold for lr why or why not

I have taken 15 PTs since the beginning of May and my scores have ranged from 170-179 with the average being a 175. I have read that this kind of variance above a 170 is not unexpected, but I was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience throughout the last month or so of their prep and how did it translate on test day? I am taking the July exam, so I am feeling a bit nervous haha

my question is : why don't more ppl quit their jobs to study for the LSAT -- if they are financially able to do so?

i understand that for many ppl, they need to work to pay off loans, living expenses, etc (which are all reasons to do have a job). But I'm more asking for those who have enough savings, family support, etc (where finances would not be a problem).

I'm in favor of part-time work and volunteering when full-time studying for the LSAT (much needed mental breaks is important). But what I'm really confused is why people with demanding 60-hour a week jobs who can't get enough LSAT studying in don't just quit their jobs to study for the LSAT?

the LSAT is the most important part of your application. It's like weighted 4-5 times more than your GPA.

If someone has military experience, tons of prestigious extracurricular activities and awards, and other additional amazing work experiences, but has a 150 LSAT score, it's going to be really tough to get into a t14 law school.

Contrast that to a K-JD candidate who has no work experience but a 175 LSAT score -- who will most likely get into many if not most of the T14.

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A 170+ LSAT score can literally change your life -- and save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. It will allow you attend a T14 law school and open up many many doors to you --BigLaw, federal clerkships, etc. Many T-20 law schools will also give you full scholarships worth up to $200,000 for a 170+ LSAT score.

Given how important the LSAT is, why don't more people devote themselves to it? The expected rate of return for a 170+ LSAT score and its impact it'll have on saving you money (potentially 200k) and opening up doors for you is MUCH MORE than working as paralegal making 30k a year and not having enough time to adequately prep for the LSAT.

We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test.

Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?

Financially, those 50 hours are much more valuable when used studying for the LSAT (considering how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you'll potentially save with a 170+ Lsat score)

I just want to celebrate with y'all. I'm writing the July LSAT, and the last few weeks have been bleak. I hit a high of 169 two weeks ago. My next 8 PTs dropped as low as 161, and my average went even lower than it was before I hit the 169. Finally, after changing up my study methods, I finally hit a 169 again on Thursday. So I waited to see if this was a fluke or if I could sustain my progress. My practice test from last night hit my all time high of a 173 under testing conditions. Of course I'll be focusing on my average test score, but I'm incredibly excited to hit (and exceed) my goal of 170 on a PT for the first time.

I've benefited so much from what others have shared. I figured I would take a moment to share the things that I have found the most helpful since I've recently seen a lot of people posting about being in the same situation.

Like so many others have said, you can't just take PT after PT after PT if your score isn't improving. When I was trying to take as many PTs as I could in a week, my score didn't improve. Only when I cut back on PTs and instituted other ways of practice and review did I start seeing improvements.

I was bombing RC because I wasn't spending enough time on the front end. After I started spending 3 or 3:30 on the passage instead of 2:30 or 3, the questions flew by and with better accuracy because I was so much more familiar with the passage.

My attention span was horrible, especially during LR and RC. So, I started meditating and using my phone less. I'm the kind of person who checks their phone every 5 minutes, and by cutting back on that I trained my attention span to be much longer than before which improved my comprehension SO much. I even made sure that when I was doing something like watching a movie or eating, I wasn't constantly getting distracted by my phone or laptop.

I read the economist to feel more comfortable with science, technology, and economics passages that I'm not familiar with. (The plight of the liberal arts major, am I right?) I practiced making low resolution summaries, figuring out the authors point of view, predicting the course of the article, and analyzing the relationships between paragraphs. It seems like people have mixed feelings about this strategy, but I found that my RC got SO much better when I do this regularly.

For LR I cut out 7 practice tests worth of questions and put the answers on the back. I then sorted them by question type to drill as flashcards with immediate feedback. LR went from -11 to as low as -4 (total) when I did this.

Just thought I'd share. Good luck to everyone else getting ready to take the July test!

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has any advice for what I should study 8 weeks out? I have already completed the entire LSAT unlocked handbook by Kaplan, and really just need extra practice on Logic Games, Assumptions and Argument - based questions. I work full time, so I only have 6 to 10 hours a week I can put into studying. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

I am new to the 7Sage Community and all the discussion threads are very helpful. I stumbled upon the 7sage by looking for Logic Games explanations and was really impressed. Then after checking the forum and seeing the discussions, I had to join.

My goal was to take the September test and then retake in November and submit my application shortly after (not the best timeline but reasonable). However, due to my work schedule, adjunct course load, and other publishing obligations this past spring I was not able to focus on studying until like May 15th. I finished the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim and my PTs are at 152 and BR 160. I'm starting Logic games fool-proofing for PT 29 -38 and most likely going to do PT 42 -52 as well.

So my question is, what do you guys think if I skip the September Test and take November and February? I would submit my applications after November Test scores and then update it once Feb scores show. I know earlier applications are better but If everything else in my application is concrete would a late cycle application really adversely affect me an Admission decision for Fall 2019?

Thanks

C.Porter

Does the LSAC still allow a watch with a non-click rotating bezel?

Just started doing the questions from the problem sets. Should I use only the 1:24 time for each question to start out with? Or should I allow myself a longer time, say 2 minutes? Or not time myself at all to start out with?

Hey all,

I was wondering where I can find the prompts to the supplementary essays (specifically for Cornell)? I checked their admissions page but there is only information on the personal statement. Am I looking in the right place/are these prompts only released once apps open in September?

Thanks!

With regards to Canadian Law schools should you let the schools know you are also taking the nov lsat if the deadline to apply is November 1st. Or will they be able to see that you are registered to take it . Thank you

Hello everyone- I have 1 prof who is writing on of my lors as an academic reference , the school then wants a non academic reference for the second lor . Would it be ok to use a high school teacher providing I volunteered with him in my first year of undergrad. The recent places I worked at were Work study’s so I don’t want a peer to write the lor (they are the supervisors). The same goes for my voulenteer experience. So should I pick a peer supervisor/ coordinator or go with a high school teacher? And I can’t use another prof because they said non academic.

I cannot find PT C to save my life. Does anyone know where I could get my hands on it? Would like to grapple with its LG section. Any help appreciated.