Hey guys,

To give some background info for my prep, I had a 140 diagnostic and I studied full-time for about 2.5 years. I went through Tesmasters, Blueprint and 7sage curriculums and my highest score on file was a 160. There were a couple of untouched PTs i took in the 70s that were 163 and 166 but for the most part I would score in the low 160s or the high 150s for fresh preptests. I took all the exams, drilled problem areas and retook exams from the PT 50s to PT 70s multiple times over with inflated 170s scores and near to perfect BR score. I also drilled heavily in LG, doing virtually all the games multiple times.

Since I have used up all three takes, I'm pretty much resigned to just apply with the options I have but I wanted to know if I reached my score potential? I was originally aiming for T14 for BigLaw and other government job prospects but it seems it is out of reach due to my score.

Hey Ya'll,

So it is official that my last day of work will be the end of the month! It has been a great 2 years and I've learned a lot, but sometime around the holidays I realized working crazy hours and the non-stop stress was hurting me from moving forward with my LSAT prep. I'll still be working part-time doing some random things, but I'll be able to kind of do those on my time frame.

So for those of you who study full-time, what does your daily schedule look like? I'm sure everyone's is different and possibly vary greatly, but I'm just looking for some ideas. I am kind of crazy and feel like I'd just study from like 9am-9pm and burnout. This is something I really want to avoid.

I'm aiming to take in September or December 17'. I'll admit that I'll postpone until I'm PT'ing consistently where I need to be. 174+

I was thinking something like this:

8am: Wake up, work out, shower, etc.

9am - 11am Prep (Not sure what at this point)

12pm-1pm: BREAK for lunch and just stay sane. I'm used to taking this time from work anyways.

2pm-5pm: Prep more.

I think after 5pm I'll take a break until 7pm or so and then maybe prep more.

I'm kind of lost because I've never really had a whole day that I can design myself and study when I want.

What do you guys think?

TYIA

I have some questions on how to make note taking and studying more efficient. (My apologies in advance for lack of tech lingo).

General: How do you incorporate tech into your study? I use Microsoft Word to take notes per question type and store my notes on iCloud for mobile review. I use quizlet for any concepts that may be drillable, that way I can have them in my pocket at all times. However, if I want to look at a specific question, I have to write down the questions location (25.3.20), put my notes below the location, then find either the hard copy of the question or use the question bank and look back and forth. Maybe I'm lazy, but I like to think my laziness inspires creativity and efficiency.

Specific: Related to the above, I am wondering if anyone has thought of a quicker, easier way to portably drill real lsat question besides cumbersome formatting and drilling on MW? There are some aspects of note taking that are much easier typing and others that are much easier with a pen. Does anyone know how I might get a digital copy of a question (any method that avoids scanning/printing) be able to type above and under it and write freely on the page (annotations, logic game boards) in a digital format, like with a bamboo digital writey thing or an iPad pro? I'm trying to find a digital, convenient, efficient, and portable way to jot down, review, and drill notes, with typing and free form writing next to/on real lsat questions. I really want to avoid difficult formatting (MW), inefficient drilling (MW), limited note taking ability (only typing), having to scan or print anything, or having to look back and forth from notes to question. I hope I'm making sense.

I apologize if this may sound like a stupid question but are there jobs for law graduates that pay six figures outside of BigLaw. Although unrelated, I was speaking with my 24 year old friend who is a compiler engineer making close 150k while working close to 40 hours a week and I was wondering if there was a equivalent job in Law that pays a similar amount for those hours.

Hi!

So I have a pretty long commute (about three hours a day) and like to listen to things at my desk, so I fell into podcasts over the last two years. I have seen a few mentioned on the forums, but I thought I’d share some of my favs with you all! They have helped me take a genuine interest in studying and the topics we learn about. Oh and I know you all love categories so I did that as well and provided a brief summary. Some apply to multiple categories too. Sometimes I add things to my subscribed list but only listen to a few episodes so I felt that it disingenuous for me to talk about them, but I wanted to share anyways. BTW Overcast is the best podcast app. Without further ado, here are my tops. :)

Law

Criminal – complicated crimes and situations explained by victims, criminals, and bystanders

Life of the Law – legal applications and applying to everyday life

More Perfect – they’re on a break right now but this is the best one on the list IMO

The University of Chicago Law School Faculty Podcast – title is pretty self-explanatory, but they are just talks on legal topics by professors, scholars, and visiting attorneys

Serial – not spoiling this one. Listen to it!

Supreme Court Arguments – there are tons of them. Just search

Undisclosed – investigating wrongful convictions

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer – Legal applications to everyday life

Up and Vanished —re-investigates the disappearance of Tara Grinstead, a beauty queen and teacher from GA

Breakdown —season 2 is better than season 1. Follows Justin Ross Harris case (son died in his hot car)

Accused —re-investigates Beth Andes' murder

In the Dark — re-investigates Jacob Wetterling, currently in development for season 2

Sword and Scale—a lot like Criminal, but a lot darker

Social Sciences

This American Life – one of the best podcasts. Varying stories from different backgrounds haha idk how to describe this one because every episode is so different

Planet Money – business, economics, and stories about people and their hustle. Some legal topics as well here

The Daily – daily News from NYT

Stuff You Should Know – Title

NPR Politics – title

The Ezra Klein Show – I love Vox so and think they give great interviews and that’s what this is

Freakonomics Radio – essentially Planet Money but deeper in terms of financial topics

The Sporkful – Food! And the parallels between people and the things we eat

Pod Save America – only on episode two but loving this so far. It is about politics and the things people can do to affect change.

Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates – Oxford Style debates on political topics

How I Built This – Innovators, entrepreneurs, and their stories

Crimetown — currently one of my FAVORITES. Dissects the inner workings of the mob in Princeton, RI. Interviews actual mobsters and "wiseguys"

Beautiful/Anonymous —hosted by comedian Chris Gethard. 1-hour anonymous call, "no names, no holds barred." For those with voyeuristic tendencies (said affectionately)

Natural Sciences

Radiolab – this could go under social science too, but a lot of their topics fit here. I would highly recommend this one. One of the best on this list

Invisibilia – “The invisible forces” that guide our actions. Partly could go under social science as well.

Hidden Brain – similar to Invisibilia but deeper

99% Invisible – haven’t listened to more than one episode but it seems good. It would be disingenuous for me to talk about it. I actually just downloaded a few and will listen this week!

Stuff You Should Know – 50/50 split between natural and social sciences.

Skeptics Guide to the Universe – Science news, conspiracies, and controversies

Reveal —takes a critical/investigative look at contemporary issues

Embedded—combine Reveal and Invisibilia and you get Embedded

Humanities/Logic

You Are Not So Smart – best logic podcast I have found. They talk all about similar things to the lessons!

Lore – scary stories haha but they’re so good

Presidential – each episode is a different president, talking about their life story and what they did right and wrong as president

On Being – this is a philosophy podcast but I found it a little too boring for me after two episodes haha

Fresh Air – mostly about movies and actors, with some social science/political episodes sprinkled in. It is pretty good, just not for me

Unexplained —similar weekly episodes of creepy, unexplained events

Myths & Legends — title

Other – Trivia, Stories and Self-Help

Ask Me Another – hilarious trivia podcast. One of my favs on the list

Death, Sex & Money – It's so good, and not what you're expecting

GameOverGreggy Show – “Four sometimes five best friends gather around THIS TABLE. Each bringing a random topic of discussion for your amusement.” I listen to this almost every day haha

The School of Greatness – Inspiring stories from people ranging from athletes to actors

Mystery Show — it's cute

Magic Tavern — It's a really funny improv comedy podcast recorded from a medieval-esque tavern in an alternate universe called Foon.

The Joe Rogan Experience — Comedian Joe Rogan talks to an interviews a variety of people on different subjects.

I’ll stop now. Feel free to share yours too! This is by no means definitive and we all can learn from each other's tastes! :)

Hope this helps!

Edit: I will continually update this list to account for everyone's suggestions!

Edit 2: Updated again!

I use 10 Actual, Official books for PTs (photocopies), but sometimes there are not much room to write on for Logic Games. I know we actually have more room to write on the actual test. Should I practice with small room or should I use an extra sheet of paper?

I somehow have trouble printing recently uploaded e-docs on 7Sage.

Hey Guys,

I just got time and a half from the LSAT for a condition, but I thought that my test would be 4 parts. They list it as giving me the experimental section too. I thought that when you get accommodations that you don't get the experimental section. Does anybody know anything on this?

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Im going to make this quick for u guys. I took this past Feb LSAT, and I was very disappointed. Quick background- After finishing core curriculum, my first PT to last went around this- 157 159 157 161 162 161 167. As you can tell, I was very happy with my improvement. On the night of the LSAT, I couldn't sleep, went to bed around 2am and woke up at 5am. Couldnt go back to sleep after waking up. Ended up playing video games until it was time to take the test, which I took with 3 hours of sleep and had to supplement by chugging 3 cups of coffee before the test, giving me the jitters and some extra anxiety due to all the caffeine. Ended up getting a 157. Either way, now I am about to get a full time job but still have to retake the test in June because I can clearly do better. My question is first off, how much did getting 3 hours of sleep mixed with the extra anxiety of chugging coffee etc affect my score? Some people have told me heavily. And also with a little amount of study every week until June due to a full time job, will I still be able to perform close to my high score? I am so angry at this whole situation.

Any ideas on how to manage mental sharpness? I'm always trying to push through when I hit a wall... Otherwise, I exercise, rigorously practice cello, play games, meditate, or drink coffee... My mental capacity seems to be declining every time I tackle the study. Help.

I want to better understand how big of a difference my PT scores are from my BR scores and what I can reliably consider my BR score to be.

Right now I use the BR method, circle the question, don't look at the correct answer, write out the explanations, etc.

After I BR I score the test and usually there are a few questions I got wrong that I did not circle.

What I then do is note those question numbers and try to "blind" review those.

Of course, this sort of defeats the truly "blind" part of the blind review, however most of the time I do not remember what the correct answer was after I scored it nor do I always remember which answer choice I chose while taking the test. However, I do have the added knowledge that at the very least whichever answer I picked the first time around was incorrect.

Let's say I circled 4 questions during the test for BR, and after blind reviewing them I scored the test and of those 4 I correctly changed my answer on 3 during BR and 1 of those I still got wrong on BR. Now I look at the ones I did not circle for BR. Let's say there were 4 questions I got wrong that I did not circle. I then "blind" review those by not looking back at the correct answer or the answer I picked. Assuming I did not remember what the correct answer was during the scoring nor did I remember what my answer choice was on the test, if I got those 4 correct on the not-entirely-blind blind review, could I consider those as part of my BR score?

Usually there are a few questions for whatever reason I clearly remember what the correct answer choice was after scoring it and/or what the answer choice I chose on the test was. In those cases I know even if I got it correct in the second round of review, I had too much information at my disposable to properly consider that part of the BR score.

But of the ones where I did not remember the correct answer or what I chose on the test, can I consider those part of the BR? I am trying to figure out how much simply knowing that I got it wrong can affect the not-so-blind BR score even when I don't remember what I chose on the test and what the correct answer was. And by knowing that I can better gage my room for improvement.

Using the example above, I circle 4 for BR, of those 4 I get 3 right and 1 wrong on BR. I then score the test and got 4 others wrong, none of which I remember the correct answer or the answer choice I picked on the test. On the second round of "blind" review I get all 4 correct. So is my BR score for the test -1 or is it -5?

Obviously, if the method I'm using is anyway a deviation from the the BR method then my score is not necessarily a true BR score. But what I find valuable about the BR score is that it indicates that you probably know the material well enough to get it correct, you just need to practice more and then the gap between your raw score and BR score will close. So if my BR score is -1 it means one thing about how I approach studying and if my score is -5 it means another thing. That's why I am asking these questions.

My scaled score is a reliable ~172, my BR score is a ~174, and under the not-so-blind BR it's ~177. So is my reasonable room for improvement the difference between 172 and 174 or between 172 and 177? Am I fooling myself by saying I'm a 177 and all I need is more practice because the truth is I am more of a 174?

Of course, I could just be way stricter during the test and circle every question I have even the slightest doubt which would be creating a lot more of review work but at the very least I would get a more accurate BR score. In the meantime, however, feedback would be much appreciated!

As a side note, I don't know if it's been discussed on these boards, but to say that your BR score is where you could be with more time and practice is somewhat misleading because when you look at a question on the test it's for the first time, whereas on BR it's at least for the second time. Complex stimuli and question stems become way easier to decipher the more you read them so that could factor in why you get it correct on BR but incorrect on the test. Nevertheless it's the best review method I've found so far, so good going 7Sage!

How long should a thorough review of a LR/RC section take?

I spend hours on reviewing a typical LR/RC section...am I being unnecessarily inefficient?

Creating this thread to quell some of the anxiety. ;) Will be updated when it's actually Grey Day.

Feel free to chat here about it.

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Hey 7Sagers, it was a lot of fun Blind Reviewing PT 79 (September 2016 LSAT) with you. Thank you for that experience.

I'd like to do it again for PT 80 (December 2016 LSAT).

I'm holding 15 sessions total. 5 for each of LR 1, LR 2, and RC. Each session will focus on only one section of PT 80. All sessions will start at 7:30p EST and end at 10:30p. Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's various schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Voluntary participation. But please wear headphones and be in a quiet place (without ambient noise).

How should I prepare?

Take PT 80 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask is for everyone to type which questions they'd like to BR.

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Ya girl went from a 137 to a 160. Proud is all I feel right now. Thank god feb was my best take yet and highest score to date. LSAT IS OFFICIALLY OVER.

Thank you Nicole, Jimmy, David, Corey, and anyone else I've talked to. Most importantly, god bless JY.

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I have a question about BR method. I have been BR'ing every single question on all four sections of my pt's since starting working on pt's (I've done about 8 pt's so far). When I do a BR, I write out why each answer choice is either right/wrong.

This process take a lot of time to fully complete a full BR. I've seen modest improvements on my scores (10 point increase from my original 147 score on my diagnostic), but is this cumbersome method efficient and productive? Should I be only picking particular questions to BR? How does everyone else BR?

So I got my scores yesterday for the February LSAT. I ended up with a 172 which was on the lower end of my PT range, but still great of course. On the final section (non-experimental) I misbubbled a couple of questions toward the end. I noticed I had done so and had to change 4/5 answers. The bubbles had been filled in very thoroughly so they were difficult to erase. I wrote a note to myself after the exam to inquire about hand-scoring, however I was hoping it wouldn't be relevant. What I'm asking of more experienced people is this: what are the chances my score will go down? I realize the chances aren't 0, and that my current score is pretty good. So what do you think? Is it worth the risk?

I'm very happy to announce that my score was higher than my average and much better than anticipated. I acheived my highest actual score to date! Thank you so much to JY and all the 7Sage community! I have made the decision to retake the test as initally planned (I'm one of those people who generally has to take standardized tests twice) But this is really good news for me along this journey. To all of you who are getting emails back, you got this. You are enough. No matter what, I believe in you!

I got 10 points higher than my diagnostic, 3 points higher than my best ever practice test score, and 8 points higher than the last practice test I took. needless to say, i'm very happy with this service, JY and the team. thank you for a shot at my dream school.

I have the "use old problem sets" checked in my settings because I was in the middle of finishing up this section but I came back today and it's gone, and many new sets in other sections that I assume are part of the change have appeared. Is there anyway to look at the answers for this section? Also, if I've done every part of the preceding sections up until this change, do I have to go back and do the new sets that have appeared? Or do they mostly contain the same questions as the old sets?

Hey everyone, I think I may have accidentally hidden a big part of the lessons for most/all students. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I wanted to put this up in case it's affecting anyone and they are wondering what's going on.

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GPA is a 3.26, Feb LSAT came in at 157, 4 points below my PT... was my first take.

UCI accepts until JUNE lsat but at that point, i need an extremely good score to be competitive to be accepted before school starts lol.

So, should I apply with my 3.26 and 157 now and possibly get rejected and cant apply again this cycle?

Or do I wait until June and try to raise my score atleast 10 points. At that point, idk if 167 would be competitive for apply after june...

so idk. appreciate any ideas. thanks!

Hi guys,

I got my February score back and unfortunately I did 5 points worse on this take compared to my second take. And it is the lowest LSAT score I have on file. Will I need to provide an addendum about this LSAT score or do I need to not worry, as law schools take the highest LSAT score into consideration?