Im going to make this quick for u guys. I took this past Feb LSAT, and I was very disappointed. Quick background- After finishing core curriculum, my first PT to last went around this- 157 159 157 161 162 161 167. As you can tell, I was very happy with my improvement. On the night of the LSAT, I couldn't sleep, went to bed around 2am and woke up at 5am. Couldnt go back to sleep after waking up. Ended up playing video games until it was time to take the test, which I took with 3 hours of sleep and had to supplement by chugging 3 cups of coffee before the test, giving me the jitters and some extra anxiety due to all the caffeine. Ended up getting a 157. Either way, now I am about to get a full time job but still have to retake the test in June because I can clearly do better. My question is first off, how much did getting 3 hours of sleep mixed with the extra anxiety of chugging coffee etc affect my score? Some people have told me heavily. And also with a little amount of study every week until June due to a full time job, will I still be able to perform close to my high score? I am so angry at this whole situation.

Any ideas on how to manage mental sharpness? I'm always trying to push through when I hit a wall... Otherwise, I exercise, rigorously practice cello, play games, meditate, or drink coffee... My mental capacity seems to be declining every time I tackle the study. Help.

I want to better understand how big of a difference my PT scores are from my BR scores and what I can reliably consider my BR score to be.

Right now I use the BR method, circle the question, don't look at the correct answer, write out the explanations, etc.

After I BR I score the test and usually there are a few questions I got wrong that I did not circle.

What I then do is note those question numbers and try to "blind" review those.

Of course, this sort of defeats the truly "blind" part of the blind review, however most of the time I do not remember what the correct answer was after I scored it nor do I always remember which answer choice I chose while taking the test. However, I do have the added knowledge that at the very least whichever answer I picked the first time around was incorrect.

Let's say I circled 4 questions during the test for BR, and after blind reviewing them I scored the test and of those 4 I correctly changed my answer on 3 during BR and 1 of those I still got wrong on BR. Now I look at the ones I did not circle for BR. Let's say there were 4 questions I got wrong that I did not circle. I then "blind" review those by not looking back at the correct answer or the answer I picked. Assuming I did not remember what the correct answer was during the scoring nor did I remember what my answer choice was on the test, if I got those 4 correct on the not-entirely-blind blind review, could I consider those as part of my BR score?

Usually there are a few questions for whatever reason I clearly remember what the correct answer choice was after scoring it and/or what the answer choice I chose on the test was. In those cases I know even if I got it correct in the second round of review, I had too much information at my disposable to properly consider that part of the BR score.

But of the ones where I did not remember the correct answer or what I chose on the test, can I consider those part of the BR? I am trying to figure out how much simply knowing that I got it wrong can affect the not-so-blind BR score even when I don't remember what I chose on the test and what the correct answer was. And by knowing that I can better gage my room for improvement.

Using the example above, I circle 4 for BR, of those 4 I get 3 right and 1 wrong on BR. I then score the test and got 4 others wrong, none of which I remember the correct answer or the answer choice I picked on the test. On the second round of "blind" review I get all 4 correct. So is my BR score for the test -1 or is it -5?

Obviously, if the method I'm using is anyway a deviation from the the BR method then my score is not necessarily a true BR score. But what I find valuable about the BR score is that it indicates that you probably know the material well enough to get it correct, you just need to practice more and then the gap between your raw score and BR score will close. So if my BR score is -1 it means one thing about how I approach studying and if my score is -5 it means another thing. That's why I am asking these questions.

My scaled score is a reliable ~172, my BR score is a ~174, and under the not-so-blind BR it's ~177. So is my reasonable room for improvement the difference between 172 and 174 or between 172 and 177? Am I fooling myself by saying I'm a 177 and all I need is more practice because the truth is I am more of a 174?

Of course, I could just be way stricter during the test and circle every question I have even the slightest doubt which would be creating a lot more of review work but at the very least I would get a more accurate BR score. In the meantime, however, feedback would be much appreciated!

As a side note, I don't know if it's been discussed on these boards, but to say that your BR score is where you could be with more time and practice is somewhat misleading because when you look at a question on the test it's for the first time, whereas on BR it's at least for the second time. Complex stimuli and question stems become way easier to decipher the more you read them so that could factor in why you get it correct on BR but incorrect on the test. Nevertheless it's the best review method I've found so far, so good going 7Sage!

How long should a thorough review of a LR/RC section take?

I spend hours on reviewing a typical LR/RC section...am I being unnecessarily inefficient?

Creating this thread to quell some of the anxiety. ;) Will be updated when it's actually Grey Day.

Feel free to chat here about it.

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Hey 7Sagers, it was a lot of fun Blind Reviewing PT 79 (September 2016 LSAT) with you. Thank you for that experience.

I'd like to do it again for PT 80 (December 2016 LSAT).

I'm holding 15 sessions total. 5 for each of LR 1, LR 2, and RC. Each session will focus on only one section of PT 80. All sessions will start at 7:30p EST and end at 10:30p. Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's various schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Voluntary participation. But please wear headphones and be in a quiet place (without ambient noise).

How should I prepare?

Take PT 80 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask is for everyone to type which questions they'd like to BR.

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Ya girl went from a 137 to a 160. Proud is all I feel right now. Thank god feb was my best take yet and highest score to date. LSAT IS OFFICIALLY OVER.

Thank you Nicole, Jimmy, David, Corey, and anyone else I've talked to. Most importantly, god bless JY.

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I have a question about BR method. I have been BR'ing every single question on all four sections of my pt's since starting working on pt's (I've done about 8 pt's so far). When I do a BR, I write out why each answer choice is either right/wrong.

This process take a lot of time to fully complete a full BR. I've seen modest improvements on my scores (10 point increase from my original 147 score on my diagnostic), but is this cumbersome method efficient and productive? Should I be only picking particular questions to BR? How does everyone else BR?

So I got my scores yesterday for the February LSAT. I ended up with a 172 which was on the lower end of my PT range, but still great of course. On the final section (non-experimental) I misbubbled a couple of questions toward the end. I noticed I had done so and had to change 4/5 answers. The bubbles had been filled in very thoroughly so they were difficult to erase. I wrote a note to myself after the exam to inquire about hand-scoring, however I was hoping it wouldn't be relevant. What I'm asking of more experienced people is this: what are the chances my score will go down? I realize the chances aren't 0, and that my current score is pretty good. So what do you think? Is it worth the risk?

I'm very happy to announce that my score was higher than my average and much better than anticipated. I acheived my highest actual score to date! Thank you so much to JY and all the 7Sage community! I have made the decision to retake the test as initally planned (I'm one of those people who generally has to take standardized tests twice) But this is really good news for me along this journey. To all of you who are getting emails back, you got this. You are enough. No matter what, I believe in you!

I got 10 points higher than my diagnostic, 3 points higher than my best ever practice test score, and 8 points higher than the last practice test I took. needless to say, i'm very happy with this service, JY and the team. thank you for a shot at my dream school.

I have the "use old problem sets" checked in my settings because I was in the middle of finishing up this section but I came back today and it's gone, and many new sets in other sections that I assume are part of the change have appeared. Is there anyway to look at the answers for this section? Also, if I've done every part of the preceding sections up until this change, do I have to go back and do the new sets that have appeared? Or do they mostly contain the same questions as the old sets?

Hey everyone, I think I may have accidentally hidden a big part of the lessons for most/all students. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I wanted to put this up in case it's affecting anyone and they are wondering what's going on.

Sorry! Working on restoring access right now.

Edit: Lessons are definitely missing, figured out problem and working on solution. Will likely take several hours.

Edit: Fix is live and everything should be back to normal, please let us know if you notice anything amiss. Thanks for your patience!

GPA is a 3.26, Feb LSAT came in at 157, 4 points below my PT... was my first take.

UCI accepts until JUNE lsat but at that point, i need an extremely good score to be competitive to be accepted before school starts lol.

So, should I apply with my 3.26 and 157 now and possibly get rejected and cant apply again this cycle?

Or do I wait until June and try to raise my score atleast 10 points. At that point, idk if 167 would be competitive for apply after june...

so idk. appreciate any ideas. thanks!

Hi guys,

I got my February score back and unfortunately I did 5 points worse on this take compared to my second take. And it is the lowest LSAT score I have on file. Will I need to provide an addendum about this LSAT score or do I need to not worry, as law schools take the highest LSAT score into consideration?

Hi there! I was just curious to see why on some videos using faster playback speeds severely distorted JY's voice? It seems that instead of the video playing at a faster speed, something happens to the audio quality instead.

I've been biting my tongue on this one but it bothers me that I can't figure out why this is happening. I'm not switching between devices (iOS, Windows, etc. usually studying on my laptop)... and just have it open using IE. It comes up frequently enough where trying to playback at 1.4x means I can't really understand what he's saying because of this distortion. Other times, however, the effect seems to be less dramatic. For example, he sounds like mickey mouse when you 1.4x him in the flammable creosote weaken question video. He's still perfectly understandable here.

Hey All,

I just registered for the June LSAT and the ONLY test center that is within a reasonable distance is the SUNY New Paltz test center. I had gone on to register a couple weeks ago when there were available spots, but realized I needed a picture to register. I recently took the picture and registered this morning, only to find out it had filled up. I requested to be on the waiting list, but I'm wondering how likely it will be for me to get a spot? As of now, my PrepTest morning routine does not include an hour and a half drive, so if that is what is likely going to happen, I guess I would prefer to know now then a week before the test. Considering it's not even March yet, I want to believe I have a good change of getting a spot, but I'm sure those who have already done this before know better than I do. Thoughts?

Thank you.

I'm fanatically refreshing my email every 15 minutes now that we have hit 4:30 EST. It doesn't look like it's today, sadly. Commiserate with me, fellow February testers!

Hi all,

I know that LSAC says to take PT under true timed conditions, which includes a 5th (experimental) section. However JY mentioned in the core curriculum that he didn't think the difference between taking a 4 and a 5 section PT was that big, because on the actual day adrenaline will keep us going.

Sometimes I am short on time and just do a 4 section PT. Am I doing myself a massive disservice? Thoughts?

"Having an efficient, attractive subway system makes good economic sense."

EAS = efficient, attractive subway system

GES = Good economic sense

I interpret this sentence as EAS being a subset of GES. Therefore, EAS --> GES.

However, as with any sentence lacking universal indicators, there is lots of ambiguity here. But I'm not sure that squashes the conditionality. Nevertheless, in the video explanation below, JY illustrates this sentence as "GES (eas)".

I would love any input on this specific instance as well as guidance for interpreting conditionality without indicators in general. As well as the difference between "EAS --> GES" and "GES (eas)". Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/attractive-subway-system-sa-question/#comment-56183

So I for one am a hyper person when it comes to tests in general. I don't know why, but that mysterious 6th gear always shows up regardless of how prepared I am for the test. I'm making my way through the CC for a second time and I have been trying to knock down one of my biggest problems: my inner clock.

Sometimes it feels like 1 and half minutes have passed on a single problem when in reality it has only been 30 seconds. This would cause me to proceed too quickly, causing me to misread and make bad mistakes (this especially hurts on easy layup questions). I found my remedy to be quite simple.

When I time myself during the problem sets, I have started to make written notes to myself, writing down my time and take notice of how my results relate to it. If I catch in the BR that I made a rush mistake by reading too fast, I make sure to notice the clock as I'm doing the next few questions. I have found that trying to show that time isn't going as quickly as I think has helped me immensely with concentrating and gathering all the necessary details, which has lead to my accuracy going up dramatically. You don't have to do this for every question. But doing one problem set for example, and taking a few glances at the clock while doing the problem can increase your awareness and help reset your inner clock.

I know I'm not the only one out there struggling with this.....and I still do currently. But I have much more control of my inner clock and realize a ton of my mistakes have come from this single issue. I hope this helps those out there struggling with this. Don't look at the clock as the enemy, but as your friend!

Idk if ppl are still looking for this but I just ran across this site on TLS. https://180pedia.com/lsat-cambridge-packet-lists/

The packets from all three sections for PT 1-38 are there. Of course you'll have to do your owning printing and/or copying pasting to get one cohesive pkg but it's better than nothing. I haven't really looked over the whole site but there seems to be explanations that link to the original post as well. 7Sage is there! I've only seen LG explanations but I just did a quick browse. There could be explanations from other sites as well for other sections. Hope this helps!

Any non-LSAT resources you've found to be useful. I'm planning to write for the Sept '17 test so I'd like to start these habits/practices now. Here are some that I've seen recommended:

Reading the Economist (while practicing Memory Method), Wireless Philosophy YouTube channel, Soduko, meditation.