Hi guys!

So I am a senior in college and will be signing up to take the June LSAT. I am currently scoring in the 165-166 range but am looking to score at least a 170 in June. I will be having a very busy senior spring and thought it wise to try and find people to study with in order to keep up the energy and motivation for the next coming months. Also, I think it's a great way to speed up the learning process by learning from each other. While I will not be able to meet (school in a relatively remote location), correspondence by email/Skype/morse code/Batman signals would all be ways to stay in touch (albeit some more ideal than others). Thanks and happy studying!

Hey guys,

I am in the DC area. Just wanted to know if anyone of you guys interested in a study buddy? We could meet in person, or contact via email to discuss questions we did not get.

How would you guys diagram this statement?

Hi!! I write often, but I noticed something this morning.

I took the December 2014 LSAT and received a disappointing 155. I studied for about 4-5 months prior to, first with the Kaplan books (WHAT A MISTAKE), and I only really picked up on 7Sage when it was closer to 3 months before the exam. I work full time, but I crammed my mornings/lunch breaks/after work with LSAT prep and got through the course as quickly as I could. I then took a bunch of prep tests and went into my exam unsure how I would do.

Anyways, I'm going through the entire Ultimate course this time. I'm on the Flaw section and I am writing out on most of the questions my reasoning for getting the answers right/ why the wrong answers are wrong. Sometimes I look at earlier comments and notice that I commented previously. But.... when I look at what I wrote before, it's like "I got this answer right... but because I eliminated this...but I was really stuck between two answer choices". This time, however, I am able to KNOW what the answer should look like before going into the answer choices. Not only that, but I am not wavering between two choices. I know why it's right. I know why the others are wrong.

I wanted to write this because my 155 really upset me. I won't get into my law schools that I applied for with that mark, but this is a marathon. Some people can do it in 3 months and walk out with a great score. Some people can't. So, IN a big long explanation, if you're losing hope and thinking that diagnostic score just won't budge.... don't give up. Be persistent. Understanding something takes time, and takes it sinking into your core. Just embrace it, try and learn as much as you can, and PERSIST! :) You can do it. We allllll can do it!

Hey everyone! I've been reviewing valid and invalid argument forms this afternoon, and I'm having a bit of trouble so any help would be greatly appreciated! I'm trying to relate valid and invalid argument forms in terms of qualifiers and inferences that can be made from them - it's giving me a better and helpful perspective when evaluating arguments. From the LSAT Trainer I know that using the qualifier some + some = no inferences; some + most = no inferences; and most + most = inferences. First, is this a correct way to relate valid v invalid argument forms? It seems to me that it works to differentiate the two, but I'd like someone else's thoughts on that before I begin to rely on it.

For example: this is a valid argument because we can infer from "most" + "most" (Valid Argument Form 9)

A most B

A most C

_________

B some C

However this is not a valid argument form (Invalid Argument Form 7): because we cannot make inferences from "some" + "some"

A some B

A some C

_________

B some C

Second, going off of this information, I'm a bit confused on 7sage's Invalid Argument Form 6 which is:

A most B most C

_______________

A some C

7sage gives the example of: Most cats are mammals. Most mammals are not cats. Some cats are not cats. - And clearly that "english" example makes no sense. But I am a bit confused on how that translates into "lawgic". I know from the Miscellaneous group of logical indicators that is/are "are predicates that point to their subjects and say those are necessary". So am I correct to "translate" this invalid english argument to be:

Mammals most Cats

Not Cats most Mammals

_____________________

Not Cats some Cats

Using the logical indicators this makes sense to me, but I'm struggling to see how this example mirrors Invalid Argument Form 6 that I referenced above so I feel I am translating incorrectly and would appreciate someones correction. This english statement was also given with it: Most A’s are B’s. Most B’s are C’s. Therefore, some A’s are C’s - but using actual examples is most helpful to me - but, like I said, I'm struggling to relate the given english example with the lawgic and I'm not sure what I am doing wrong when translating the statement given that it does not match the Invalid Argument Form 6 lawgic.

Hope this all makes sense, and thank you for any help/response!

Let's say I earned a 163 on my lsat, and was accepted to the law school I wanted to get into, but was not offered a scholarship. If I retake the LSAT after being accepted, and earn a significantly higher score, would I have to opportunity to negotiate for a scholarship for my second year of law school?

If you cancel your score after taking the test, does this count as one of the three times you're allowed to take the LSAT within 5 years? Thanks in advance for letting me know :)

Hi. I am going to give the Lsat in June 2015. I was wondering if anyone else is interested in becoming a partner to discuss plans and goals via email and messages ( i cant study with someone on skype). I will be starting the &sage 3 month course in the next two days. shall be waiting.

Ok question on this. Lets say we have "if A then no B unless C". According to JY we can diagram as follows:

A-->(B-->C)

we pull the first term in the parentheses out and make the arrow an and to yield:

resulting statement 1: A and B --> C

or we could have diagrammed the original statement as

A--> (~C-->~B)

pulling the first term out and adding an and yields:

resulting statement 2: A and ~C --> ~B

I was expecting resulting statements 1 and 2 to be logically equivalent but they are not. Can anyone clarify why this is not the case? I would imagine this affects one's chances of correctly answering a question with an embedded conditional.

did anyone else find pt 74 harder than pt 73? i just finished taking it, and i feel like such a loser. My score from 73 to 74 was a MAJOR decline. the test is tomorrow and i felt so confident, but now i just feel useless. any advice? thanks!

I purchased 74 and I cannot find where to access it. I clicked on Course, Discussion, Resources, and my profile. It has to be somewhere.... ughhh

I'm scared to spend so much time on the deductions of the sketch or to make additional options. It makes sense to me but I feel like I would take too much time. How do you know when it's ok to make a few sketches?

Hey everyone!

I noticed that a lot of folks are using the Manhattan LR book as an additional study guide. I am wondering if the Manhattan RC and LG books are are also worth purchasing. Thoughts?

Is the consensus that Manhattan Prep is best for LR, Cambridge bundles are good for LR drilling and the Trainer is best for LG and RC?

Are there any additional bundles [worth] purchasing for LG and RC? Would it be Cambridge?

I want to purchase additional material but I'm not sure which books/bundles to get. I am interested in knowing what others experiences have been with these materials.

Thanks!

I've been practicing LSAT since June 2014. I went through all 7sage materials besides Logical Game Bundles in the end of August. Then I spent 3 months going through all Logical Game Bundles. During that months, all I did was logic game and reading the Economist. After Logical Game Bundle is over, I started Prep Test right away. I think you all know the result. It was awful. After 7 prep tests, the highest score I get is 152. Then I realized something went wrong. I stopped prep test. In the winter, I bought old LSAT and kept doing untimed Logical Reasoning. Gladly, I could get roughly more than 20 right, sometimes even 22, or 23. Recently, I started doing timed section and Blind Review. I gave myself 45 minutes at first. Then, I gradually reduced my time to 40 minutes. However, I could only get 16 questions right without blind review. Even with blind review, I can only get roughly 19 or 20 questions right. I am a good student. I got 3.8 GPA in UNH. After I transfer to Fordham University in my junior year, I am having 3.9 GPA. I am contributing at least 3.5 hours per day for LSAT. But the result broke my heart again. I am sorry for typing so much. But any advice will be appreciated. Thank you. I am an international student from China. English is my second language.

Hi,

My current goal is to apply for law school this December/January. I'm currently a band director at a middle/high school. My schedule is very fluid, and I have no way of setting as strict of a schedule as I'd like this time of the year for preparation. My question is this: should I begin studying now and not have that strict of a schedule, or wait until school gets out so I have a better and more consistent schedule? I don't know if starting earlier outweighs that of starting later with a more consistent schedule. Any thoughts?

Hello,

Me again with my questions on drilling. I know that generally speaking the LR sections get more difficult as you go along. Based off this information, I have determined that I am generally missing more difficult questions. The ones I'm missing or struggling with are questions that originally appeared as questions 19-26. I've determined that my problem mostly on these questions is that they have a more complex logical structure or simply a more complex topic/language. I bought a set of one question type of the Cambridge packets but I realize I need to invest in the rest of them. My initial thinking was to start with difficult questions and work down. But after I did a 13 question set last night and the only ones I got right were ones I had attempted before recently and I remembered the answer. Confidence killer. I think now that I need to work from the beginning and work my way up to more difficult questions. I think also a stronger understanding of the 7Sage Logic Curriculum will help. Does anyone have any other ideas about this problem?

Does neither nor go to either or? For example, if A then neither B nor C. Is the contrapositive if B or C then A slash?

Anyone else having issues with Firefox? IE works, so I'll live, but I prefer Firefox. I'm not able to view the courses or tests. Forums and the study schedule seem to be fine. I just can't do any coursework on it or Firefox will freeze and crash. I tried clearing cookies, to no avail.

I was just wondering how many total timed preptests (under simulated testing conditions) you all advise doing before sitting down for the actual test? Any insight would be super helpful!

I've finally gotten comfortable doing timed sections in LR, LG and in RC but I've been doing them separately and am really hoping I can maintain the scores I'm getting in all of those when doing them back to back. Is it typical to notice a bit of a drop when doing them all at once?

Thanks in advance!

Anyone in the low country looking for a study buddy? I'd really like someone in the area to blind review some PT's and just keep motivation up.

I was wondering why when I have a new inbox message it does not let me click on it. Instead it prompts me to a page that says,

"Whoops!

You don't have permission to do that."

I feel like I'm starting to burn out, and with such a short amount of time between now and the test I'm not sure what the best option is.

I wanted to take a PT a day, but I'm afraid ill loose my edge come game day.

Anyone advice/similar feelings? People say at this point in the game you have learned all you can before the test anyway, however I'm not sure if building stamina should be the priority here, or rest or what.

Opinions greatly appreciated!

Not sure about you all but reading that book as a kid confirmed my "naive"/"idealist" goals. So excited for her sequel, the announcement legitimately made me pumped for Saturday. Good luck everyone, getting one step closer to your goals!

Hey Guys, i woke up this morning and had a cool realization that i thought i'd share... So far i've been studying for about 4 months, planning on taking the February exam, with intentions to also take the June exam because i'm still not averaging where i want to be. But as these months have passed by so quickly i've come to realize that this test is indicative of most journeys people take in life towards success. The thing about success is that it isn’t linear. I'm sure some of you already have come to that lesson when finding out that your score doesn't increase per week or per month based on a set amount of studying. Instead i feel like how it really works is getting rid of your ego, eliminating doubt and doing the tedious hard work necessary that will add an invisible .01% everyday. You may not be able to see the results or progress, but it will eventually add up and result in the huge gains. That's why i believe focusing on enjoying the process (instead of solely focusing on the score increases) as much as possible is something that helps prevent that feeling of frustration when you hit a plateau.

Practicing and improving your reasoning skills through drilling and PTs is only part of the process too. Check your ego at the door and embrace the mistakes you make as well. Your ability to look at mistakes as learning lessons and use them to do deep thorough review of both why the wrong answer is wrong and why your reasoning skills led you to that decision is crucial. It's one of the reasons why i'm so grateful for finding 7sage and learning about Blind review. I remember before i found out about 7sage i would be drilling and checking answers, then getting frustrated at myself for the questions i got wrong, and that would end up blinding me from truly reviewing to figure out why.

I feel like thats why some people aren't able to increase their scores. They just get frustrated and give up because they aren't seeing the result they want, while repeating the same identical process over and over again. You need to learn from these mistakes, and realize that the process will take however long it takes, and trust that you will get there. It could be 3 months, it could be 6 months, it could even be a year. It's all up to you. Also it's important to realize that this test isn't the end all be all either. There is much more work to come in law school, and even more work as an attorney. So, how bad do you want it?

For those of you that are taking the February exam this Saturday, i wish you good luck and am excited for what the future holds.

Side Note... whenever i begin to freak out and have anxiety about this test, now i just think of this guy = http://imgur.com/gallery/OFL3N0F and all of it fades away lol

This is a big thank you to 7sage and hopefully an inspiration to people writing their LSATs... 1.5 years ago when I gave my first LSAT practice exam... the famous 2007 PT that is available for free as prep material, I got a measly 153 that could easily have been a 147. I was in despair because I wanted to get a JD from one of the coveted T14 schools that I had heard so much about in my own country and I literally had no idea as to how to prepare for this test... nada... zilch... zero!!! My dream.. well let's just say that the chances of it materializing didn't seem promising ;) . After working with 7sage for that time, tutoring a couple of sessions with Jon and giving the LSAT twice (last December and this December), I received a score that has secured me entry to GULC (just got the letter on Friday and am still pinching myself to see if I wake up) and my 'dream' of making it to a T14 has finally come true. but I would like to thank 7sage for making this possible. Note to fellow 7sagers: People... you might feel frustrated while prepping... there were days when I certainly did.... scores might drop at times only to rise up again... mine certainly did... but at the end if you put in the work with JY's & Jon's methods.. the result likely be the best score you can achieve. All the best to the Feb test takers!!!