Hey

I will be taking PT 40 tomorrow and I will BR/review with another 7Sager, is anyone else interested in joining?

Has anyone noticed that lawgic is useful for many things beyond the LSAT... I'm actually so grateful to 7sage because going thru the material for the LSAT has been useful in so many more ways than one... for 1, it made dealing with the methods classes in my PhD program SO much easier... both qualitative (sufficiency necessity/ some-all-most/ truth validity) and quantitative (causation correlation)... changed my way of looking claims in general... and it helps me build stronger arguments... and take apart other arguments for example... I had an exchange on an issue immensely sensitive to me yesterday on FB and in replying to a friend I went off on a (not rude yet firm) rant.. which involved everything I've learned here, from causation, to truth and validity.... just curious to know... anyone else had the experience that studying for this test has affected other areas of their life in similar ways?

Would like to invite discussion/participation in the topic of validation/invalidatin issues with the LSAT—both from folks currently in the study process and folks who have graduated from it (perhaps especially Sages). This is something I think about a lot: it is to be expected that even top scorers will get many hundreds of questions wrong throughout the course of study; so what perspectives have you found helpful in not feeling invalidated by wrong answers, and/or embracing the validation of correct answers and progress (without becoming overconfident)?

I haven't been active on these boards for long, but I've sensed these dynamics at play. I wonder how attitudes towards performance contribute to or mitigate burnout—and how to pursue a balance of confidence and humility.

One of the ways I try to coach myself: every time I miss a question in a drill or a PT, I try to remind myself that every mistake is an opportunity—to learn more deeply, uncover otherwise undetectable weaknesses, and establish a quantitative basis against which to measure progress.

If the LSAT is meant to be a predictor of success in law school, then emotional maturity should unequivocally contribute either to success or lack thereof—just as it would in said academic setting.

I dreamed about getting a JD in the US before I came here but I didn’t dare to even look at a LSAT question because I wasn’t that confident in English. I came to the US for an LLM degree in 2013 and purchased 7sage ultimate course one week after graduation in May 2014.

My diagnostic was an untimed 159. I went through the curriculum in June and started PTs in July. I did 3 PTs a week. At first I would do 5 sections, then 6 sections, using old tests as experimental sections. On non-PT days I would also drill individual sections from old tests. I always BR.

My first 14 PTs were in the low 160s with the highest being 169. But the last 2 (PT 48 & 49) I got 159. I knew I burned out. I took a one-week vacation, after which I went through the RC/LG part of the LSAT Trainer in a week. I then took PT ABC in the following week. I got 170, 167, 166 respectively.

In September I started doing PT 50s and I was in the low-mid 160s during PT 50-55. I thought it was because the PT ABC were relatively old, so they were easier. But as I got used to the newer tests, I could see incremental improvements to mid-high 160s in PT 55-60, with 2 low 170s.

In October I scored 5 170s consecutively, the highest being 175 in PT64. I then started redoing older PTs, where I usually did 2 PTs back to back in the morning and another 1 in the afternoon. I drilled some sections from the latest PTs, rather than on their entirety. I did the rest PTs in a library with my study buddy. At this stage I would do the PTs at various places, including my desk, library, coffee shop, supermarket and so on. But I only had 5 170s out of my most recent 10 PTs, others being mid-high 160s.

When I went to the test room in December, I had done all 78 available PTs (PT 1-73, ABC, June 07, Feb 97). But the test didn’t go so well. I usually had little trouble with LG but for some reason the last two games were just so weird to me that I literally thought about cancelling during the first section. I barely finished them in the last second. I had two RCs with the scored one being the fifth section. I had trained myself intensively but I felt exhausted during the last section. I felt that I rushed and had difficulty understanding.

I didn’t study during the waiting month and got 169, with -1 in LG, -6 in RC and -3 in each LR. I decided not to apply for the cycle and retake it in Feb. I bought Manhattan Guides for RC/LR and several Cambridge packages (weaken/strengthen/ RRE, etc).

I had a part-time job but I thought it was OK. Since I had BRed before, so I would just circle the questions that I thought worthy of going through again after the drill. I still redid maybe nearly 30 PTs in January. Sometimes I would do 100 RRE questions and 8 humanities passages in a row.

The Feb test went OK, though there were some questions I wasn’t sure about and I felt I rushed the RC too (again the fifth section). Another 169. I know that I’ve made quite some progress in the test and it may well be that 169 is my potential on the real test. But I want to take my last chance.

I had thought the LSAT as mental heavy lifting and tried to train my mental muscle accordingly. However, upon reflection, I made my biggest improvement in BR and the curriculum when I would just focus one question type.

I think I need to hone my fundamentals again, rather than stressing repetition and quantity. My initial strategy for June is that I go through the Trainer and Manhattan Guide for LR/RC again, but really slowly and carefully. And I need to set stricter time limits for redoing PTs, 32m or 30m per section.

Another problem for me is that redoing PTs and the real tests were so different for me. I got used to getting 180 in redoing familiar PTs, though I would try to force myself to go through the processes even in redoing. But the unfamiliarity in the real test just made me very uncomfortable. I’ve practiced skipping questions consciously and thinking fast. But I found my brain couldn’t think slowly and deeply enough to tackle some hard RC/LR Qs during the test. It was being “conservative”. I wonder how I can find certainty in a test which is designed to let me experience uncertainty. How can I improve?

Sorry for the long post. Hope it’s not so confusing. I know this is an amazing community and I’ve got a lot of help and motivation from it. I truly appreciate any advice and suggestion. Thanks!!!

So I have now taken the LSAT 3 times, and I'm beyond frustrated. I took the LSAT for the first time OCT, 2013 after 6 months of study self-study and a 7Sage course. This first round I was studying at least 5 hours per day. At that time I was PT scoring in the high 160's and low 170's. However, I scored a 161. [RC -8, LG -1, LR 1&2 -16 (bombed LR)]

I decided to wait and reconsider law school. I decided to take the LSAT again December 2014, and after 3 months of less intensive studying (I felt I burnt out the first time) I was PTing again in the high 160's and low 170's. However, I scored a 161! I couldn't believe it. (RC -7, LG -9, LR 1&2 -10). I failed in games and knew it during the test. I neglected it as the easy section as I never had a problem with it.

So, I studied games intensively and retook it in February. Bit of a panic leading up to this test: Had a flat tire on my BMW (no spare) half way to the test center 40 miles away, thought I was going to miss the test, was able to get there 5 minutes late and still get in, and then someone got kicked out for cheating which caused a scene. However, I scored a 161!

How is that even possible three 161's?!

Should I give up? Literally give up on my dreams of going to a top law school? I can't improve my RC as it always lands around -7 to -10, I get my LR to around -2 or -3 per section while PTing, and get my LG to -0 while PTing. But I'm cursed with this 161.

Here's a fun little logic-game esque puzzle that I just solved, and was glad to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_Puzzle

Don't scroll too far down or you'll see the solution!

hi i am starting my prep june 2015 exam. i have been looking around at various prep courses but i think 7sage is the cheapest and makes sense for me 4 months left. i have taken two prep tests and scored around 152.

I will buy the 3 month package i was wondering if any one else is on the same page as me.

How should I go about learning from questions that aren't common? There are a few questions that require pure reasoning and don't rely on patterns or anything. I'm having some trouble with them. Is there anything I can do to improve that?

Hey folks—just spent some time Googling free proctored LSATs and signed up for 2 with Princeton Review (have to go to Ft Worth but at least they're on Saturdays!).

Any tips on finding these kinds of free exams? I live in Dallas but could in theory justify going as far as Austin, in case you need a point of reference.

General tips appreciated as well—and for folks in other geographies, I think this is useful information for everyone so please share!

Looking for a study buddy in downtown Toronto for the June LSAT!

I've been stuck in the mid to upper 160's for months now and I haven't been able to break into the upper 160's/low 170's consistently. Has anyone else been stuck in this same spot? How did you break through? I've been drilling questions types but when I review my mistakes it seems like most of them come from misreading. I'm not sure if I can slow down much more because I am already finishing the setions with maybe 1 minute to spare. Any advice?

Hi. I am going to give the Lsat in June 2015. I was wondering if anyone else is interested in becoming a partner to discuss plans and goals via email and messages ( i cant study with someone on skype). I will be starting the &sage 3 month course in the next two days. shall be waiting.

Hello everyone,

I'm struggling. I registered for the 7Sage Ultimate course and started prep for my retake in January . I work full-time in a small call center and I feel like I've been sick all winter but I am chugging along slow and steady. But sometime around the last week I hit a road block. Honestly, I'm a little depressed. Right now, I want nothing to do with the LSAT. I haven't completed any drills or games. I was doing a game/drill set a night. I haven't completed a lesson in about a week. I've been concerned with my future over the last few weeks. I'm financially not in the best place. It will be some better when I start law school (most of my credit cards will be paid off) but I will be relying heavily on loans while in school. I'm looking at a long distance move and I'm slightly worried about the financial implications of this goal. I turned 30 in January. I've already put off my law school plans for so long. I was going to go for this year when I originally started preparing but I had to put it off to retake the LSAT. I really don't want to put it off another year. I've been feeling a little down about my situation and wondering if its even worth it. I guess what I'm getting at I was wondering if anyone has any words of wisdom for me. Or anything that motivates them. Or maybe just e-hugs. Hugs are good too. Thanks.

I applied to a few schools recently that interview prior to admissions.

If anyone's interested in a mock interview partner helping one another get better at interviewing and are serious about it, then send me a message and we can do mock interview sessions on skype.

Do they not tell u how many items you got wrong and right in each sections??? I am confused

Congratulations to everyone who went grey yesterday and thanks to everyone for being so helpful during the waiting threads.

I just want to say to anyone who it might affect, please don't be discouraged by people posting high scores, or scores higher than you. You received a percentile grade and for everyone here that posts above you, there are likely some people not posting who are below you.

The important things with respect to your score are that its enough for you for where you want to go. The internet, and less so here, more so on other LSAT boards, tends to be flooded with people disappointed by anything that isn't Hardvard/Yale/Stanford. Of course we can't all go there. Nor should we want to. There are just as many people that have successful law careers going to regional schools, and there are many people who attend HYS and don't even amount to much. Not to discourage anyone from trying to attend these schools of course. All I'm trying to say is, if you set a plan, and achieved the score you needed, congratulations, and don't be discouraged by anyone elses scores here.

To anyone that didn't achieve the score they wanted, I wish you all the best! I'll be re-writing myself so I understand your feeling. If this was your second time writing, I hope you improved from your first.

Hi guys, I found this online. I think it is helpful when sometimes there are LSAT vocab we don't understand

http://www.readingfirst.virginia.edu/elibrary_pdfs/Building_Vocabulary.pdf

Hey 7Sagers, another fancy new title coming your way!

I'm sure most of you have noticed "Sage" title. Well, we've got a new addition: "⭐" (Previously Mentor)

What does this new title mean?

⭐ (Previously Mentor): We noticed you've been supportive and active. These members are hand-picked by 7Sage staff (and the Students!). ⭐ members are not subject to an LSAT score cut off. ⭐ members are or were enrolled in a 7Sage course.

Sage: Our "Sage" title is still reserved for those who scored 170 or higher (we verify this). To become a Sage, you'll now have to have previously been a ⭐ member. Sages were or are still are enrolled in a 7Sage course.

Keep it up, 7Sagers!

I was studying with a fellow 7Sager and he sent me links of the LR questions that we would BR. I can click on the links and it'll show me the explanations for each question. No problem there. My question is, how can I get to the LR explanations through my account??? Hopefully that doesn't sound too crazy, but I don't see how to get to it when I'm logged into my account. Is it because we have different pkgs? Maybe he has a higher pkg? But, if so, how would I be able to access the info from just clicking on the link from my email? Once I click on a link for a certain question I can then hit the previous and next buttons to get to the previous or next LR question. Does that make sense? From my account I only see the LG explanations listed. Am I missing something? Help! LOL Here is one of the links I have: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-3-question-08/

I wasn't able to follow the breadcrumbs though.

I recently received my February 2015 LSAT score and I am greatly pleased by the result. Thanks 7Sage! In addition, I took the LSAT December 2014 and knew the score was adequate for the law school I was targeting. I received this past Friday the acceptance letter and scholarship amount for my admission. However, with this new LSAT score could I request a higher scholarship amount because the score is actually above the median. My original score was dead-on the 25% median.

Thanks and greatly appreciate all the help I received from 7Sage and its members! Truly the best LSAT Prep course in the world! lol

The scores will be emailed to you on March 3, 2015. At least that's what it says for me on LSAC.org. I took mine at Brooklyn College in Bklyn, NY, so I don't know if that date applies to everyone.

Just curious , while studying do you guys listen to music? (of course not during timed exams)

They seem to make me less stressed during games or do you recommended no music while studying at all ? (sorry if this question sounds totally silly).

I've run out of practice tests, so I'd like to take the India LSATs, as previously recommended by @Litian.Chen and @"Nilesh S" http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindia/#handbook .

I noticed, though, that the Games section for the first India LSAT is the same as the one in the free June 2007 preptest, only with Indian names and places used. Are the other three India LSATs also just re-hashes of other available preptests?

My icons are grey. This is not a drill!

I haven't taken a PT since early December, but my lowest score was 146 and my highest was a 157. I started Last September with about 2 months of not studying in between (finals, Midterms, Xmas break, etc.).