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Here's the official November 2020 LSAT-Flex Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the November 2020 LSAT-Flex here!**(/red)

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#help

can anyone explain why B is wrong?

So I picked C the first time around and I wanted to know if this would have been the correct answer if the stimulus had concluded that the government's decision to limit the nuclear power plant's liability in case of a nuclear accident was an unwise decision because the financial security of the operators of these nuclear power plants is dependent on the plants being safe (b/c if they weren't, then they would go broke)

And why would the government choose to help nuclear power plants in this way? I thought the decision to limit financial liability was the government admitting the nuclear power plants weren't safe...but that's wrong, according to the video.

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-29-section-1-question-22/

Hi y'all!

I'm planning on spending 2 hrs/week to hold free tutoring sessions for all sections for the August LSAT. I've been PTing in the mid- to low-170s range and occasionally high 160s, so I figured this would be good for discussion/tutoring. I'm pretty good with LG and RC, and am good at most question types on LR. I also weirdly really enjoy Parallel questions, so if any of you are having trouble with those, bring on your questions! Let me know in the poll if anyone would be interested in attending and your preferences, and I'll post a Zoom link if anyone would actually attend :)

If more people end up choosing Option #2, then the day is tentatively a Thursday, and would be 8:30-9:30 pm EST to accommodate for any west coasters!

**Note: As a rule, for the benefit of everyone, I'm going to try to limit questions to pre-70s PTs, or at least PTs that everyone has all done. We want to keep the newer ones in pristine condition!!!

Update edit:

people haven't been showing. see my comment below!

in every scenario while translating, does the sufficient always come before the arrow and necessary come after?

#help #confused

I have made a forum previously with my deficiencies regard LR however, I have completed most of the 7sage LR curriculum and really have not seen any improvement. I take the LSAT in august does anyone have tips to maximize my time and get better?

Hey I'm working on PrepTest 33 S4 G1Q5 (among others) and I keep having issues with complicated question formats.

The general version of the wording that most trips me up is "Which of the following must be true EXCEPT" and an answers like "_____ is not 4". Individually I can deal with these, like when I have an "EXCEPT" question or negative answer choice, but together I keep going in circles.

Are there any steps I should be during to answer these questions without spending 3+ min on them?

For reference, I get -2ish on LG so I am focused on fine tuning, so skipping is something I want to avoid at this point..

Thank you in advance!

I've been grinding on RC for the longest time but I just can't ever seem to hit the supposed "Target Times" for each of the passages.

Sometimes I get 100% accuracy but I finish a passage in 9 minutes when the target time says 7 minutes. Or I finish an 8-question, really difficult science passage in 11 minutes but target time says 9 minutes.

Anyone else find that discouraging? Accuracy has gotten significantly higher but I just can't ever reach those target times listed out. It makes me wonder if I need to change my process up or something.

What do people think?

Any advice on perfecting RC? Currently pt'ing around -3,-4.

I've noticed that when I practice questions on LR I consistently get the harder half wrong and the easier half right. Does any one have advice for how I can possibly improve and polish up my LR skills. This is my hardest section on the exam, and have just begun to understand the differences in question types. I feel like I am missing something to unlock getting these harder questions correct. Thank you guys for any insight!

So, I'm currently completing the sufficient assumption section of the CC, and I have a question about diagramming. When I'm currently doing the practice problems and problem sets, I find that I am most successful (95% and (1min) with these questions when I simply focus on the passage and be clear in my mind where the gap is in the argument, without drawing any diagrams, and then move onto the choices.(/p)

From those who have completed a strong number of PTs, is this setting myself up for failure when I encounter more difficult or more "unusual" questions of this type on tests? I did spend quite chunk of time working through the logic sections of the CC, so I know I am working through some of proper process in my head...but, should I be concerned about my head failing me for some of the more taxing/complex questions?

As always, any thoughts are appreciated!

hey guys,

sorry for asking but I am having doubts about my abilities on the lsat. I am scheduled to perform in august but I am thinking of changing it to October I just want to know what is the deadline/ last day that I can change it. I know I have to pay a fee for it which sucks but I wanted to know if anyone has any information on this. I was thinking of changing it 2 weeks before the exam/ giving myself more time to improve. This exam has sucked the soul out of me.

Consistently getting -7/8 on LR sections. It feels stagnant at this point but I do want to improve! What should I do, any tips?

Hi guys!

I’m super stressed because the August test is 6 weeks away and I have barely improved my diagnostic scores of LR and RC. I’m shooting for a 160-165 but averaging a 153-155 currently.

I’m great at LG with an average of 4-6 wrong

but RC is my biggest weakness with my most recent being -14 wrong and LR most recent being -10.

My diagnostic was -15 RC, -14 LG, and -13/-16 LR.

So minimal improvement. But I just need more of a boost.

Untimed my best RC section was -7 and my best LR was -6. But I don’t know I’m just super stressed, please help!

I'm not at all understanding the answer to this question. As far as I can tell, none of the answer choices seem to be even somewhat related to voter reactions except choice D.

D creates a situation wherein public perception is "Politicians in scandals should be punished, but only if their opposition is not as bad". This would align with the voting preferences expressed.

E, the "correct" answer, creates a situation wherein parties should be criticized instead of incumbents when we know it is more the party's fault. This doesn't seem remotely correct, however, because the question itself makes no effort to explain "fault" as an impact on voter preferences, nor does it reflect voter preferences at all - reelecting the incumbant does not punish their party at all.

Help?

Hello! I am looking for a tutor to meet with a few times before I take the August test. I am looking to improve my score by 3-5 points at least before August exam.

Hey everyone! I am looking to score in the high 150s-low 160s for the November exam. I have been with 7sage for about a month now. If anyone is in a study group or would be able to tutor me I would appreciate it!

when I do RC untimed, I get -4 but when I do it timed I average -11. I have been using a new approach which helps me understand the passage more, but any suggestions on how to transition to do this timed by the August test?

Can anyone explain why C is wrong? I was between A and C and I chose C.

Hey I'm working on PrepTest 33 S4 G1Q5 (among others) and I keep having issues with complicated question formats.

The general version of the wording that most trips me up is "Which of the following must be true EXCEPT" and an answers like "_____ is not 4". Individually I can deal with these, like when I have an "EXCEPT" question or negative answer choice, but together I keep going in circles.

Are there any steps I should be during to answer these questions without spending 3+ min on them?

For reference, I get -2ish on LG so I am focused on fine tuning, so skipping is something I want to avoid at this point..

Thank you in advance!

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I did not understand this question. Can anyone please offer a detailed explanation of this one that can help me further attack future questions regarding this question type?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-3-question-08/

Hello folks,

I have signed up for August 2021 LSAT, and I am not confident enough that I could obtain the score that I am aiming for.

Would October 2021 LSAT day be okay for Fall 2022 application?

Thank you for your sage advice as always! 😁🙏

"Sequencing Game Wa Twist Double Problem Set 3" I think is one of the holy grail problem sets that dramatically improved the way I view hard sequencing games. Highly recommend fool proofing it if you haven't.

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/sequencing-game-wa-twist-double-problem-set-3/

I'm debating to cancel or keep my June 2021. It was about 90th percentile but I'm shooting for 170+ and faced some issues on test day. I think I can do better but don't know if a cancel would look worse than just keeping my score. Any advice?

I was reviewing a question I have seen many, many... many times over. PT40.S1.14 for anyone interested.

Today as I was analyzing the stimulus, my pre-phrase for the flaw was that it was the classic argument from ignorance fallacy (an assertion that a claim is either true or false because of a lack of evidence to the contrary; aka "you didn't disprove/prove this, so you're wrong/I'm right"). This is an informal logical fallacy.

I went to the answer choices and liked C the best. It reads, "The argument takes for granted that if the truth of one claim implies the truth of a second claim, then the falsity of the first claim proves that falsity of the second claim." I thought this wasn't written exactly as I had in mind, but it described the flaw in formal logic. The even more classic sufficient/necessary mix-up/incorrect negation/incorrect reversal (all of these describe the same formal error). Oldest trick in the book. And then the lightbulb in my brain went off.

Answer choice C is saying the argument assumed that if A --> B, then /A proves /B. Isn't this very similar to that argument from ignorance fallacy? You didn't prove A to me (you presented /A), so your claim about B is wrong (/B).

Basically, the sufficient/necessary flaw is the formal logic mirror to the informal argument from ignorance fallacy. The former requires a tight argument structure, while the latter is more flexible with looser language. In essence, however, they are the same error. Until now, I had kept formal and informal logic as separate and unrelated, but they actually overlap. And this is exactly how the test writers will disguise/describe the same flaws in different ways-- not just in the stimuli but in answer choices as well. 🤯

Thinking about the contrapositives is also interesting. The formal logic error of an incorrect reversal is pretty obvious: B --> A. But if we consider the "expressed contrapositive" (in quotes because I just made up this term and don't think there is such a thing in informal logic), then it's something like, "Your conclusion about B is not wrong, so you proved A." Your conclusion exists, so your premises are proven? Lol, wtf? No wonder these are logical fallacies.

Anyway, maybe I'm slow and everyone already knew this, lol. It was an a-ha moment for me so I wanted to write it out. If I have made a mistake, someone please correct me. If you have other realizations about the flaws/fallacies/question types, please share as well!

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-40-section-1-question-14/