I sat for the ‘November 2019’ exam just over ten days ago. Is it normal to still feel exhausted after this much time has passed? So far I have woken up with an lsat hangover every. single. morning.

I refuse to continue feeling sluggish.

Unable to figure out this PSA question out. Please help.

There were problems at my testing center in Boston for the November test. I COMPLETED the test with no issues. How is this possible??? I do not agree to my score being cancelled. Has this happened to anyone else???

Hey guys,

Are "depends only on" and "all that is needed" sufficient condition modifiers? If yes then why? Please help!

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Hey Everyone,

Starting to fool proof logic games and have a few questions:

For example, when you read a question and you already know in your head that the answer is C. Do you go through the motions to confirm C?

Look forward to your responses.

Someone please tell me why A is correct.

I think SoA is incorrect because: let's pretend there are two subdivisions, A and B. Let's say sub A contained houses of $1mil and sub B had houses costing half million. Let's say someone like Bill Gates lived in sub A. $1 mil is drastically lower than what he can afford, but de facto segregation between sub a and sub B still exists.

Please explain AC A. Thank you.

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Hi guys Im just looking for some advice here on where to go next, Im registered for the January exam but im still struggling with my timed for RC and LR. I do fine untimed but times it almost seems s impossible. i had a breakdown earlier and was just crying because i have been studying for about 9 months now and I need to apply to this cycle. So I am under a significant amount of stress. Where do I go from here? I know I should keep practicing my section timed but should I do the timed sections separately? And for RC how should I continue with reading the passage in a more timely manner as well as answering the questions.

Basically how to get speed without sacrificing my accuracy? Also anyone know anything that helps boost confidence I feel as if this exam is beating me up every day.

Anyone please help me with advice or personal experience please I'm so desperate.

I'm going to be on two long flights at the end of this month and am planning on running through lots of printed logic games. However, I'm not sure the best way to go about reviewing the games since I'll be unable to digitally access the answers (and explanations) to the games while on the flight.

Has anyone found an effective review method for LG that doesn't require the internet? I suppose I could try to simply print off answer sheets for each relevant LSAT, but wasn't sure if there was any other option. Thanks!

I almost always fall for this rule/time sinks when seeing this in LG, I can never draw out this rule intuitively. Some examples:

9.3.1 At least twice as many roses as orchids.

27.2.3 Exactly twice as many of the film buffs see the H film as see the F film.

32.3.2 At lease as many F novels as R novels are selected.

At least twice the amount of A as B

Can someone please kindly tell me how to understand them properly and efficiently? Thank you so much!

I took the November 2019 LSAT last Monday the 25th at John Marshall Law School in Chicago. Everything seemed fine; we all completed the test and were in and out in about 4 hours. Nothing went wrong with the test center or the tablets as far as I'm aware. Yesterday afternoon, I received an email from LSAC with the subject line "LSAT Test Center Reassignment." The email says that since I was unable to take the test I registered for, my make-up exam will occur this Sunday Dec 8th at John Marshall Law School (same test center as before). I checked my LSAC account and it, too, says that I'm registered for the December 8th LSAT and that I can print my admission ticket. I've tried calling LSAC multiple times and every time I've been on hold for over an hour because all of their lines are busy.

Has this happened to anyone else over the past couple days? I'm so confused as to why LSAC thinks I was unable to take the exam on the scheduled date. I already spent a lot of time and money traveling to Chicago for last week's exam, and I'll be in a really tough spot if I have to re-take it this Sunday.

I chose AC: B. Why is C the flaw for this question?

Hi guys,

I had a quick question. I am struggling with timings when it comes to LR questions. So when there is an LR question that is long, I tend to skip it. I was wondering, are there any specific strategies that you guys apply to deal with long text LR questions.

Thanks

Why is D wrong? Is it because of the word 'attract'?

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I’ve been testing on digital (in my fire tablet) and I think that makes a huge impact on my score. It’s so uncomfortable reading RC on tablet. Any tips would be appreciated...I’ve taken lsat but on paper. January will be the first time taking it digital.

I took the LSAT in June 2018 and did the writing section then. The rules say you don’t have to retake a writing section if you have one on file, but would it be detrimental to my application to have a hand-written writing section as opposed to computerized?

Hello all,

As I have been fool-proofing diligently and getting through all the games from PT 1-40 multiple times, I often finish the games a lot earlier than 35 minutes. It does vary depending on the PTs, but I usually have somewhere between 12 to 5 mins left.

Is there any suggestion on what I should do during the remaining time? During drills or PTs, I get lazy and just don’t even review. I often go -0, but I also make 1 or 2 stupid mistakes that I wish I caught earlier. But i realized that even when I do review some questions, I can’t get too ALL the questions that I do sometimes have about 1 wrong too.

It really frustrates me when I catch myself making a stupid mistake, and I really want to get a perfect score on LG.

Thanks in advance!

Many of us dive into PSA mode as soon as our eyes scan the words "Most Helps to Justify". That is, hunting for the answer choice stating: If premise then conclusion. This is efficient and works a large majority of the time, however, I have noticed that recent tests have thrown a wrinkle into this strategy. The trick lies in the wording of the stem.

For example, the full stem looks like: "Which of the following principles, if valid, most helps to justify the reasoning in the argument?"

Let's break this down. We are going to be given an argument: Premise + Conclusion. The answer choices will provide us 5 principles. We are to assume each one is valid or true. It is our job to identify the answer choice or principle which would most help to justify the reasoning. By reasoning it is meant how the premise supports the conclusion. In other words, we need a principle that most helps the premise be considered good evidence to reach the conclusion.

I bolded the word "most" twice because it means that we need the best answer choice in relative terms. An answer choice which creates or comes close to creating a valid argument is great, but, it is not necessary! An answer choice which lightly strengthens and requires less assumptions than all other answer choices also fits the task required of us by the stem.

Interestingly enough, when LSAC uses the "Most Helps to Justify" stem, the credited answer choice usually makes the argument close to validity. That is why the stem is commonly classified by 7sage analytics as a PSA question.

But remember, the wording of the stem does not necessitate reaching near validity. All we need is an answer choice that most helps the argument get closer to validity.

On the past few tests I have noticed that there will be a "Most Helps to Justify" stem whose credited answer choice is not the traditional "if premise then conclusion". Instead, it lightly strengthens the argument, while the other answer choices are irrelevant. Because the answer choices did not match my pre phrase, I panicked. Consequently, I eliminated all answer choices and had to skip the question. But, if I kept in mind that "Most Helps to Justify" does not require near validity, I would have been fine and saved lots of time and stress!

Takeaway/TLDR; "Most Helps to Justify" is a PSA question 95% of the time, but, the wording of the stem does not rule out that these types of questions are just light strengthening questions, which is the case the other 5% of the time. Be flexible and do not panic if your "If premise then conclusion" pre phrase is not found.

I’m confused and worried. I just received an e-mail from LSAC apologizing for my “test center issues” (I had none) and offering me an option to retake Dec 8th or January. Anyone in the know want to fill me in on what this means? I feel like I performed very well on the Nov exam and will be extremely upset if this message means what I think it does...

I felt like I over performed on last week's test and I'm typically a horribly slow starter. I wanted to share what I did that worked well for me.

The morning of the test I went on a jog, had a hearty breakfast, went over 10 LR questions at home and didn't grade them, ate lunch then got to the testing center about 45 minutes early.

After I got my parking tag I did my warmup in the car which included 1 of each of the following: MSS, Main conclusion, SA, NA, PmoR, weaken, strengthen, descriptive flaw. I'd already done all the questions before and I knew the right processes I wanted to get my mind into. I did 1 double layer sequencing game and didn't have time to do my RC passage but by that time I felt warmed up.

My motivation to stay focused and not get nervous for the test is a bit silly but it really worked for me. I made a deal with myself that when I reach my target score I want to buy myself a nice watch so I went in with the mindset of "today I'm going to earn my watch!" This mindset helped me stay aggressive in LR and not freeze or start slow like I usually do because I was focused on my goal and not letting myself get nervous.

The carrot on the stick approach really worked well for me, hope this post is useful!

I have taken the November 2019 LSAT. I will say that it was everything I expected and more. I didn't see the need to complain and took the attitude, "Do your best and don't worry and don't complain". But "Press forward".

I didn't eat the Raisin Oat Bran like I had planned because I tried it the day before the test and took a couple of small spoonfuls. It was awful and tasted like cardboard. I want to try it as recommendation from other people online had that taken the LSAT. I wondered how could anyone eat this stuff. I threw it away. I opted for the McDonald breakfast menu with country buttermilk chicken biscuit sandwich with a hash brown and a large orange juice on test day. It hit the spot. I had studied my test strategy plan and stuck to it.

I am a person of faith and prayed that I would do my best to pass for 20 minutes on the test before I left for the test center and the ask G-d to be with me while i was testing and help me pass. I felt calm the whole way and wasn't bothered.I felt at peace even after the test.

I hugged and kissed my 6 year old nephew and 9 year old niece to tell them I was on my way to take the big test. I said I will see you later on this evening because I expected to get out the testing center around 5:30 pm. I said my goodbyes and headed to the testing center.

I took the Uber to the testing center and was calm the whole way to the testing center. I was not nervous nor was I anxious Once I arrived, I asked the front desk receptionist where the LSAT is and they told me where it was. I silenced my phone completely.I had my cell phone left at the front desk and got it back later on after I had finished with the test. I arrived the hotel where the testing was to take place at 10:50 am. I was lucky to take the exam by myself I was in a room by myself with no others. I started exactly at 11:30 am. I showed my accommodation letter because I am high functioning Autistic and with my admissions ticket was able to sign in at 11:00 am. I had my eyeglasses in the zip lock bag.

I had put all of my energy and everything into the test. I used a time management strategy that was built into my LSAT strategy and served me well during the test. I stayed calm because I remember that a leader has to have a head in a time of crisis. This is especially true of the LSAT.

If tablet broke, I didn't worry because the testing place had huge supply of them and didn't count against the time. I did have one tablet that got stuck after coming back from break. I didn't start the 4 section right away and was given a new tablet after the test administrator graciously gave me a new one after scanning code on the back of the tablet. I was able to continue on.

I didn't want to guess what was the experimental section because I went in with the attitude do well no matter what. I went to do a job that was the most important thing. I decided that remaining calm was most important. The way sections were laid out was not important to me. Just the goal was working the exam effectively and only working my plan by sticking to it. I didn't care about what my score might be. I went with a plan and stuck to it all the way. I was able to make couple passes after each section and had 10 minutes to spare for each one of the sections. I went over them with a blind review and corrected the mistakes along the way. After I was sure, I felt confident that I did well

The first section took me bit longer and was able to gain traction after question 8. I had skipped 2 questions and came back to them later on my second pass. I was able to think clearly and sharply about the answer and was able to. The first section was hard but I was able to get through it without worrying. I blind reviewed it and was able to untangle the section effectively. Skipping hard questions was a part of my overall plan and worked out well.

I had my break after the 3rd section and ate my granola bar and drank my orange juice. I went to the bathroom not worry nor

feeling horrible about my performance on the test.

After completing the final section and took a blind review to check my work on it and was satisfied after correcting a couple answers that need to be corrected and re-reading it my notes one last time. i finalized it and gave back the tablet. I proceed to get my phone at the front desk of the hotel for testing and took the Uber home around 4:15 pm. I felt a sense of relieve and felt illuminated. I was very tired and exhausted. I didn't go out anywhere and decided to crash at my brother's house where my niece and nephew are. I went to sleep for a while. I decided whatever the score is not worry good or bad. If it is bad, i will take it again. I won't worry nor fret over the questions while waiting for the score release. What is done is done. I felt that I stuck to my strategy to and stayed calm the whole time that it worked. That is what matters most.

So I’m honestly starting to believe that this test is impossible for me to even get into the high 160’s. I’ve been struggling with this exam since last May and haven’t gotten as far as I would have liked. I’ve taken a live prep course and invested a few hundred dollars in private tutoring but I still think the November exam was a dud. I don’t know what to do. If I delay, I feel like I’m gonna grow old before ever going to law school and if I don’t delay, that only leaves a little over a month before the next exam. I was planning on going to law school last year and have already delayed until now. I do not believe delaying another year is going to help, but I honestly don’t know what to do. Could someone provide some specific advice?

I have this problem with logic games and I hope someone can diagnose this and tell me what to do....I’ve done so many logic games without timing issues but for some reason, all the logic games on the real exams always seem completely different to me and I find that I cannot make inferences or diagram them effectively. But I can do difficult games outside of the test center; what is going on? This is really damaging my scores, so can someone tell me what is going on? I’m not even panicking when doing the real test

Hey 7Sagers! Did anyone else see this from Dave Killoran over at PowerScore?!

“Probably the strangest thing from this LSAT is multiple reports that a released LR section from PT67 (October 2012) was used as an experimental section for some students. If those reports are true, that should never happen.“

Did this happen to anyone? That’s crazy if it did! If true, for anyone that made a mistake on the LSAT: you’re not alone! Apparently even LSAC makes mistakes!

Apparently the LSAT Administration had equipment issues across North America so they had to cancel, but they never shared what they were. But then a later email sounded as if there weren't enough test proctors, so not sure what really happened but this threw my application process plan off a bit. Anyone else impacted by this? Has this happened before? Sometimes staying traditional with paper and pencil exams works best. I'm still waiting for my confirmation that I can take the January 2020 exam and I've been on hold for an hour with the LSAC line.

Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official November 2019 LSAT Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the November 2019 LSAT here!**(/red)

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