Hey all

I've had some trouble with this LR question.

When I did this problem, I think I mistakenly diagrammed one of the premises as: Feeling of insensibility --most--> sphere of family and friendship.

Can someone explain how this is properly diagrammed?

I think @akistotle wrote a really great answer explanation. -- which helped clear things up a little bit. With respect to this "shift in domain," this is my first time seeing it ( I got tricked into diagramming this as just a most arrow btw "can feel needed" and "sphere of family and friends"). How often does this happen? What other LR questions also test this "shift in domain"? Thanks.

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MSS; Lawgic, shift in the domain, pushing out an inference

(1) [Domain: All people]

Happy –> Feel Needed

(2) [Domain: Most people]

Can Feel Needed –> Sphere of Family and Friends

*(1) is applied to most people.

Can Be Happy –> Can Feel Needed –> Sphere of Family and Friends"

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Any tips in general? Also, is there a file like the LG PT 1-35 packet but except for RC 1-35?

I am new on here. I do not know where to start and how to study effectively. I want to do well on the lsat, because I did not do well on the first test that I took last year. So, I would need all the encouragement, as possible.

I go by Bernie :)

After advice from here, I cut down the number of PTs I took and started working more on drilling and BR, but improvements have been minimal and feel tenuous. Are there any tips to BR I could try? Should I try doing more timed sections, or maybe go back and read over the curriculum sections for the questions types that I seem to be consistently missing? I've been studying for a while and I'm pressed for time, and I want to put in my all before I take the test next month. Any advice would be much appreciated.

This may be something obvious to a lot of people, and may be something subconsciously obvious to me, but nevertheless it’s something that today I noticed and paused to think about.

On a specific flaw question that asks you to identify an error in the reasoning (not sure if I’m allowed to discuss specific questions as a free user), I noticed that there were two sets of reasons that the author gave to support their argument. The first seemed legitimate, the second a clear error. In situations like this, do you accept the first reason as legitimate but then take issue with the second reason? I think I know that the answer is yes, but I’m still curious to hear what people have to say/think, and if people separate sets of reasonings like how I just did above. For curiosity’s sake.

Thanks.

I just upgraded to Ultimate plus, looking for advice.

I'm having trouble pinpointing the flaw in this stimulus as my conditional logic is as follows:

(G, H, J) -> T

T ->(G, H, J)

Any help would be much appreciated!

#help!!!

So I desperately want to get a 170+ on my test. I signed up for the June LSAT and the deadline to move it to July is coming up this Tuesday. Currently I am averaging 166.8 (to be precise) on my 5 section PTs. I am trying to take two a week and as I work full time and try to study also during the week, I think I'm burning out a bit. I am also afraid that I am burning through PTs to my own detriment (I am already up to PT 75 and I don't want to waste them, so I've been going back to the 50s a bit for the meantime. I've already done 60s-75 and I've done some of the 40s. I also have been told that doing earlier ones is a bit pointless, because they're so different from the current ones.) I feel like I need to go back and restudy the fundamentals. I just purchased the LSAT Trainer to do just that, and was thinking of going back to doing 1 PT a week again. Obviously I will also continue to study during the week as well (which includes doing a few timed sections a week, which I try to take from the earlier PTs since I feel like it doesn't matter as much for practice). Do you think it would behoove me to switch my test date to July? Or should I try to cram everything in and just study like crazy this month? Also, do you think it's even possible to ensure a 170+ by July or would it be more realistic to switch it with a September date?

Any input would be seriously helpful and thank you for your advice in advance!!!!!

Hello ! This is actually my first post here on 7Sage though I have consistently browsed through the discussion boards. I am curious if anybody could give some general advice on my current struggles on LR. My original diagnostic test, never before seeing an LSAT in any form, was a 140. After the CC and taking roughly 3-4 PT's my scores are in the low 150's with the most obvious struggles coming in LR. I constantly go -8 to -12 in each LR section, though, what really perplexes me is that I seemingly only miss two or three questions at most throughout the first 15 or so questions in each LR section. I go on to miss as many as seven or eight of the remaining LR questions, sometimes as much as 5-6 in a row for the more challenging questions. I was just curious if anyone has experienced this before or if this is simply part of the beginning of doing the PT's.

I really appreciate any advice ! Thank You.

Hey all

hope all is well. I heard sages like @"Jonathan Wang" advocate for watching all the JY LR video explanations for each question after doing an LR section. I think the logic is that you can always learn more from each question (sometimes you may have even gotten a question right for the wrong reason), and it also helps to reinforce the reasoning that you initially thought you knew.

For me, I've mostly watched JY's video explanations for questions I got wrong and question I wasn't sure about (like 60% confidence) but still got right. Quick question: should I watch JY's video explanations for questions I was pretty also sure about ? In other words, should I try watching all 26 LR video explanations for each LR section?

For some background: for each LR section, I am averaging a -5 timed and -2 after blind review.

Thanks!

Hi everyone! I took the Feb test and was disappointed in my score relative to where I was PTing/averaging, but had a good overall test day experience so I am optimistic about June from that perspective.

That being said, seeing the "T minus 4 weeks" note in my calendar for this upcoming test upped my stress level a bit and now I feel like my test anxiety/nerves are impeding the quality of my studying. I'm putting so much more pressure on each section and feel like I spend more time worrying about the aggregate score of a test/section and less time on the actual concept in a given question.

I can only remind myself to breathe and slow down so many times (read: 100 a day) so I was wondering if anyone else feels/has felt this way and had any tips/tricks? They can be actual study related or life/headspace clearing related.

Tangential question: for those of y'all who have previously taken an AM test, what did you change to feel comfortable with a PM test? I'm a morning person (wake up at 5am) so the AM tests are preferable but unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around my preferences so, alas, I will be surrendering to the fate of the 12:30pm test this June.

Thanks in advance!

So I am just finishing up the LR section right now and looking forward to moving on to LG. I have the LG Study Bible by Powerscore, and some people have suggested that I read/work through that, then come back to 7sage to brush up on weak areas and watch the game review videos. Should I try this method, or should I stick to watching all the 7sage core course videos? How have you guys done it?

I've been fool-proofing the earliest 30-40 games and have obviously come across several that are highly unusual and unrepresentative of games in general. Do you find it useful to fool-proof these games or do you try them watch explanation and just move on (this is what i've been doing)?

can someone provide an answer explanation?

really confused between answer choice A and answer choice C.

how i view it - stimulus has 2 things it's comparing: skill/knowledge and persuasion. persuasion is emphasized/prioritized, so someone with less skill but more persuasion is preferred.

It's very hard for me to see this fit AC A (the correct AC).

I guess i can say that 2 things compared: highly skilled at conducting an election campaign and have insight into important political issues. What's preferred is the latter, so successful politicians are "not always ones who understand how to help country?"

not sure if this makes sense. help would be appreciated - thanks!!

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Hi there,

SO I took the LSAT last June, did alright, actually have been accepted to schools and have accepted an offer to a school. My school is now paying for me to take the LSAT again so I am able to have the best possible score I am able to achieve. Better for their numbers, and they have incentivized it for me as well, pending my score increases by even just one point.

I took an LSAT prep class last spring in preparation for my first go at the LSAT (of course at the time, did not think I would ever in my right mind volunteer to take it again). Ultimately, I'm trying to find the best suggested way for a refresher course, without trying to spend 90 hours a week entirely completing this course. I just am at a loss for what I should be prioritizing my time with as I have basically exactly one month from today to prepare.

I had originally thought I would just sift through the different lessons and attempt to complete all of the ones that stuck out to me as relevant or that I thought would be more beneficial than others (which for the record, I'm sure that this course is ALL very helpful, and I don't mean to say any one lesson is more important than the next. I also understand for the best results, it's probably best to have sufficient time to finish the entire course... I'm just not working with that situation).

Does anyone have suggestions for where to start in order to refresh myself and be best prepared for a second shot at the LSAT? How should I prioritize my time to get the best bang for my buck, so to speak? Any information or advice would be so welcome as I feel like I'm drowning in lots and lots of LSAT material with no direction. Thank you all so much in advance!

P.S. I so wish I knew about this course a couple years ago when I was first studying for the LSAT... this site is crazy cool.

I feel like I've probably done a majority of LGs 1-35 almost 10x each. A handful of times back in summer 2016 and then in January 2018 I (Pacifico) FP'd 1-25. Didnt touch another logic game until April. I stupidly thought that that invested time in January would hold over while I studied the LR section of the CC. I was either very wrong and totally lost my competency in LG, or I was lulled into a false sense of confidence from having done those same games so many times.

For the past couple weeks I've been drilling one LR and one RC and then one LG section (from a random PT that I haven't seen before) in a row so I get used to having to do LG in the middle of a PT. I sporadically do really well on LG and I sporadically totally bomb like -10. I've started FP'ing LG 1-35 in reverse order and I'm doing really well...so I'm trying to figure out what exactly my problem is here and how to fix it

I'm not sure if there is a point in FPing games I havent encountered as often like 35-60, since it seems like that range doesnt have the weird LGs that PT1-35 and the most recent PTs have. I was thinking about FP'ing outside of the 1-35 range, and adding in a random 4-5star game from 1-35, so I get a lot of practice on the weird games, while also getting used to doing games that I havent seen before..

Will FPing LG1-35 be sufficient for taking on new games that I've never seen before in the middle of a PT or is there something different/additional I could/should be doing?

Hi Everyone,

It seems that some students, including me, spend a lot of time on PMR or PF questions. This has made me skip them in timed tests, even sections, which I just realized is not a good strategy. I tend to get them correct like 80% of the time in BR, but I am just worried that I'd end up spending 3 minutes per question, which is like 10% of the section time on one question. I am wondering how long it typically takes students scoring 165 and higher to answer these questions? Also, if you are sure that an AC is the correct one, do you still read the remaining ACs?

Thank you and I hope others taking the June exam can use this thread, we still have more than 4 weeks to go!!

Okay people, this is probably one of the hardest LR questions I've ever done, but also why I like talking about it. It's also why I think learning to think in terms of "lawgic" could sometimes make things more difficult. Allow me to explain.

If you give the question a quick read and attempt, the difficulty lies in the fact that the conclusion is a conditional statement with 2 pieces to the sufficient condition - e.g. (A&B) => C. We are given a premise in the form of P => Q, and another that states Q => C. However, in the correct answer choice, the answer states A => P, which is supposed to connect the missing gap.

In the explanation, we're told that the "B" piece in the above sufficient condition is redundant, but how are we supposed to decide when elements are redundant and when they aren't? Typically, when a sufficient condition has two pieces, we NEED two pieces in order to infer the necessary condition. In this question, we don't. Is this supposed to be something we just intuit on test day?

I realize that this post might not make any sense at all so let me know if what I'm asking is hard to follow.

Edit: In short, I'm kind of an idiot. I just realized that B is, in fact, redundant because it's just a random variable tacked on in the conclusion. It's pretty worthless as long as we have that A piece linking us up with that P piece. I didn't realize this until I typed all this up and wasted everyone's time, but I thought I'd just leave this here anyway. Typing up reasoning is gold. I was confused because of where the conclusion is placed in the argument. It jumps out as a premise, hence why I thought that B piece was important.

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Or do you write the inferences down along with JY while he does it in the video, then try to recreate them on the next copie?

I'm having trouble understanding why the right answer is the correct on it's own merit. I can eliminate (a), (b), and (d) fairly easily. (e) I could use some assistance clarifying since I'm still shaky #help

Weakening question

CTX - numbers indication type/quality of plastic. Lower numbers easier to recycle and less likely to end up in landfill.

P --- Higher numbers rarely recycled

C --- Consumers can reduce waste by refusing to buy products with high coded plastics

(a) cost of recycling more expensive than using new plastics. Irrelevant to C, eliminate

(b) Consumers are unaware of codes. C seems to assume knowledge of codes, so P -- C support is unaffected. eliminate

(c) After a plastic is recycled it gets a higher number because of degradation. correct but not sure why

(d) lower codes less expensive as higher codes. again cost is irrelevant, eliminate

(e) Recycling communities only dump high coded plastics in landfill when they're sure no recycler will take them. Doesn't address the purchasing of plastics, or how communities get plastics in first place. So C is not weakened, eliminate

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In the order the stimulus presents info (this may be way off):

CTX - Proposals to bring US inline with rest of the world are met with objection that it would violate US tradition

C --- The objection that curtailing US school's summer vacation would violate tradition misses the mark

P --- US schools only closed because harvests needed child labor

Extra info (? unsure) --- A policy change justified by those appeals to tradition are determined by needs of the economy

Which principle if accepted justifies the conclusion?

(a) Social needs are irrelevant. Eliminate

(b) No appeal to tradition excuses a country from getting in line with legitimate expectations of the rest of the world. If it didn't say "legitimate expectations of the rest of the world" I'd think this is good but European and Japanese expectations are never mentioned

(c) masking real issues isn't in stimulus. Eliminate

(d) traditional principles should be discarded when they no longer serve the economy. If this said 'practices' instead of 'principles' I'd think it was perfect but we are not trying to change the principles of the past just the school years practices so we can eliminate

(e) actual tradition of a practice can only be identified by original reasons that prompted the practice

I got this wrong and struggled during BR only making progress through process of elimination, now I see that answer choice (E) connects the last sentence of the stimulus to what I identified as the conclusion. But now I'm thinking that the last sentence is the main conclusion and I've muddled up my own thinking.

Can someone help me identify each part of the argument better and flush this out? #help

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I am just trying to get an idea, how many games should someone do a day?

Hey there! I think I need some direction.The first time I took the LSAT I made a 144. I am registered to take the test again in June. I am studying every day in May and hope to get my score up one or two points at least.I bought the $180 corse in 7sage, and have only done some of it. But I just took a practice test to see where I stood. I digressed. Because time is limited, are there any sections I should specifically zoom in on before I try my text practice test? Any advice on where I should devote my time?

Thanks for any #help!!

Khloe

Hi all,

I finished the CC a little while ago and I score a 172 (178 BR) on my first PT after finishing the CC. That was very encouraging because my goal is 175. However, I haven't been able to replicate those results since. I've scored a 161 (174 BR), 163 (167 BR), and 166 (172 BR).

I know that I haven't taken many PTs yet, but I'd like to take the June test, and these latest results are making me a tad nervous.

Is this just a matter of continuing to take PT's and BR'ing carefully?

Can someone who's dealt with a similar situation let me know how they dealt with it?

Thanks so much to anyone who can give me some advice.

Hi guys,

Can anyone explain why the answer choice (c) is the correct answer? It's hard to see why this has to be the case when logs already have each ring representing one year. With this fact, it's already possible to know how old these logs are so why do we need this information?

Thank you!

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