Where is the best place to buy Logic Games from PT's 1-35?

Hey, guys. Can anyone thing of a more recent game that has a rule like, “Only seats in the same row...”? Like who thought something like seats in row 1 and in row 2 could be immediately beside each other??? I guess that could happen if you diagrammed something like 123 with an aisle then 456 so 3 and 4 could be immediately beside each other and then 789 immediately behind 123??? I interpreted the rule to mean that no one can be assigned to a row by themselves and the middle seat can’t be empty because someone has to be seated immediately beside you. I diagrammed three rows on top of one another just as displayed in the game so I never thought of it any other way. I set up my game boards this way and missed questions because I misinterpreted it. Anyway, I’m venting because it seems dumb to me but can anyone think of something like this in more recent games?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-3-game-1/

I am doing the flash cards for the group 3 logical indicators and keep coming up with the contrapositive first. Example: There is no punishment without law. The group 3 operator is without I picked “law” made it the sufficient and negated it. The other idea was punishment. So for me it looked like this: /L -> /P. and then my contrapositive is P -> L. I kept doing this on many of them. The flash card showed with P -> L first. I realize that they are just contrapositives of each other but I just started to worry that there may be something wrong with the way I was reading it that would cause me problems in real LR questions.

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me with this problem. Its a main conclusion question. It seems as if the second sentence is something like a minor conclusion, that is, its used in service of the larger conclusion (the first sentence). If this were a main conclusion question for reading comp, I think I would have chosen the correct answer C. Instead I chose A. Any ideas?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-54-section-4-question-11/

Diagramming the more complex questions can take quite a bit of time. Sometimes the correct answers are more intuitive and thus it would be a waste of time to diagram. But reading the question stem and all the answer choices also takes time and when the correct answer choice is not intuitive, you have to go back and read the stimulus again to begin diagramming.

So my question is, how do you guys know when to diagram and when to not? Do you diagram from the first reading of any conditional/existential statement markers? Or do you do so as a last resort? Or do I just lack the intuition to know when diagramming is appropriate vs when it is not?

Hey guys,

Trying to get a sense of how long it usually takes someone to achieve consistent -1/-0 on logic games. How many games from early tests did you do, how many attempts for each game, how many PT's before you started seeing perfect LG scores etc.

Imagine a Sequencing/Matching hybrid game in which you need to sequence five entities - A, B, C, D, and E --- then match each of those to one of three attributes --- x, y, z.

A cannot be matched with x.

Exactly two people are matched with x, and they are consecutive.

C is matched with z.

There are exactly two spaces between C and A.

I wrote out two sketches one as a chart to show which matched and the other as a sequencing game to show the list of entities from 1 to 5. Is there a better way I can sketch this?

I do pretty well with recent LSAT RC sections, but do dreadful with earlier RC sections. Has anyone else experienced this dilemma?

So... I just checked my December scores (I know late) and I'm lost for words. It was my third take, but... my score dropped. First take cancel (felt incredibly ill, cancelled as soon as exam ended), 2nd take 166, 3rd take 165...

I've been seeing consistent improvement in my PTs for the past 6 months, and were averaging in the 173-74 range for the last month of preparation. Though there was that one weird PT which I bombed out on (I believe PT 81), scoring a 167 a week before my actual exam... and I'm starting to think whether that score psyched me out.

I just can't figure out where I went wrong either because I took the undisclosed test in Asia so I'm just really lost as to what I should do next and am even questioning whether I'm really a good fit for law school... (I can take a guess that LR messed things up, since that's where I make the most silly mistakes when I panic). After all the months of studying, seeing a score drop is incredibly discouraging, especially when I was seeing progress in my PTs.

I worked hard on my college GPA, got a 3.94 from UChicago and am really frustrated about my LSAT scores weakening my application. Should I even go for a fourth attempt in February? In fact, do I still even have a shot at the T14 schools if I take the test 4 times? And not applying for this cycle will mean that I will have taken 2 years of gap year... and of course I plan to go on internships and work on projects if I delay my application but I don't know if such a long break will also hurt my chances at the top law schools. What should I do... any word of advice would be appreciated :(

Firstly THANK YOU JY for your incredible LG explanatory videos, that's what finally helped me crack the game section after almost eight months of studying! Got my December score on Friday, 173!!!!! (up from 158) Thank you 7sagers for everything!

Now my question: In practice tests three weeks prior to the actual exam I scored higher than 173 about 8 times. I definiely want to start school in the fall, so I am applying now. If I get wiatlisted on T-14 schools, will sending in a higher February score help me or nah? I would take it again, but not for nothing.

Thanks guys!

Hey guys! Had a 7Sager email in with a question that I thought you guys could help out with. Note that any iterations of "you" are referencing J.Y.

I have a question for you regarding reading comprehension, specifically the comparison passages.

I noticed that in several older videos/tests with the comparison passages, you read both passages first and then went straight to the questions. In the newer tests though, I saw that you did one comparison passage first, then went to the questions and answered them or eliminated answer choices, and then read the second passage and returned to the questions afterwards. When I do this second approach of reading one passage, going to the questions, and then reading the second passage VERSUS reading both passages before the questions, I end up spending more time on the questions.

Would it be wiser for me to stick to reading both passages first and then heading over to the questions, OR should I retrain myself to the method that you have been doing in newer tests of reading one passage and then going to the questions before reading the second passage?

Also, I'm curious what your view is on marking/notating the passages while reading the passage. Your videos focus on the memory method. For me personally, I have to underline and circle words in order to stay focused and engaged with the reading. I've seen different methods regarding notating such as the Powerscore book and Nicole Hopkins' methods of Reading Comp. From your experience, do most of the high test takers whom you have worked with heavily mark the passage or not as they read?

Thanks!

I got a 149 and have 3.63 gpa and my top school is Rutgers. I have 1 year paralegal experience, great recommendations and should have a good personal statement as well. I am only aiming for 5 points more. My best section is RC but I am only able to finish 3 passages and for logic games- linear and not too complex grouping is good for me but LR even though I get most of the concepts, I feel as though I am slow and so any tips on speed? OR SHOULD I JUST APPLY AND HOPE FOR THE BEST

:warning: **This post contains spoilers to PT80.S4.Q15** :warning:

I had trouble parsing out the stimulus of PT80.S4.Q15 (which is supposed to be an easy MSS question) because I did not understand what "... than otherwise would be" was referring to at first.

I was advised that I should make a post to practice using "otherwise" as appeared in the stimulus.

• During this holiday season, I gained more weight than I otherwise would, since studying for the LSAT stressed me out.

:star: Comparison: weight gain during the holiday season with the LSAT v. weight gain during holiday seasons without the LSAT

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• The increase in my LSAT score is more than it otherwise would be, since I have the best LSAT teacher.

:star: Comparison: The increase in LSAT score with @"J.Y. Ping" v. The increase in LSAT score without @"J.Y. Ping"

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• I am less worried about the law school application process than I otherwise would be, since I have the 7Sage Admission Course.

:star: Comparison: Me with 7Sage v. Me without 7Sage

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I need to come up with more, but I can't seem to get my mind off of LSAT/law school apps.

Happy holidays, everyone! ☃️

I'm taking the Feb 2018 LSAT. Why is the Feb test so dreaded? Just because they report the score? Is that paranoia or is there some evidence that it is harder? Also, who takes the Feb test? June seems like overachievers. Sept/Oct obviously most popular. December has many retakes. I didn't think much of this until I googled it (a regret).

My diagnostic was 153. After ~6 months of on and off study, I scored a 173 in Dec! In fact, this was 2 points higher than my best PT! And I had only scored 171 once before the test. My average was 167ish. I'm so grateful for the 7sage community throughout this journey.

I had read posts about "positive thinking" and meditation, so I figured I'd give it a try. 173 was the score I chose to picture; before each PT I pictured me opening my email and seeing 173. And despite no evidence that it would, it worked!

My test day was honestly the worst I could have imagined. I got to the test center ~20 minutes early, but it was game day at my university so there was no parking. I ended up street parking about a football field away after calling my boyfriend and exploding on him; sobbing, convincing myself I wasn't gonna take, the whole nine yards. And then once I made it halfway to the center, I realized I forgot my admissions ticket in the car. So I RAN back to my car and then RAN to the test center. It was 8:24 when I got back to my car. I truly thought this was a sign that I wasn't meant to take it. I was the last person to check in; I ran to the bathroom before getting to the room. It was hell honestly.

I luckily managed to just separate myself from that, but during the entire directions I was breathing heavy lmao.

It ended up working out for me, but honestly I was hoping for 165 after the test. All this to say, just because a day goes bad does not mean you should cancel. I think I'm done testing with my 173. Thank you 7sage. For keeping me calm and for just being a great community.

Hey, guys. Why is there talk of three M here when the rules say exactly two M? JY mentions three M and others also mentioned in the comments section. What am I missing here? Three M was never an option for me becatse of that rule.

Hi everyone,

I have a bit of a weird problem... Over my preparation for the LSAT, I have made HUGE improvements but I have one thing in LR still holding me back and I am really not sure what I should/can do to fix this. Whenever I am doing an LR section, I am not sure if I get nervous or anxious but I read a stimulus and have trouble remembering what I read, which sometimes requires me to have to reread the stimuli a second or a third time before moving to the AC. Interestingly, as SOON as I am done the section and the 35 minutes have passed, I read through the section again and I have no problem with recall. It is as if timing resulted in me having trouble remembering the stimuli. Also, this only happens in the LR section and usually at the beginning. I think by question 4 I am fine. Even with this problem, however, I am still under -9 for both LR combined.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? Will it go away as I just do more timed sections? Any advice would be appreciated!

I am really struggling with these questions. As soon as I hit the medium level questions I have hit a wall. Any tips?

I haven’t gotten an email from LSAC yet, and my score is not showing up online. Anyone else in the same boat? Should I be worried?

Hey fellow 7Sagers,

If your like me (and it seems like a lot are) and got less than your average score, please dont feel like your alone. I scored almost 4 points lower than my usual average, and missed my goal score by 3 points. I am not sure what to do. I did get 5 points higher than my last LSAT (2016 v. 2017) but I am not sure if I should take it a 3rd time or let it be. I am below the 25% at my target school, and my GPA is in the middle of the 25% and median. So I am not sure if I should retest or not. The LAST thing I want is for a school to average my scores-that would be a nightmare. I have a strong personal statement and I fill so many diversity boxes that I know I am a strong applicant. I just dont know if I should retest or not. Can I submit applications without a full commitment to retesting? If I get accepted, there is no way in hell I want to retest. Advice?

Merry Christmas either way.

After 2 days of torture over this early score announcement shenanigans, I finally got the email and happy to see a 174 on the December test. I started this journey at the end of July, which was a really dark time of my life being butted out by my previous company when I was in my 1st trimester of pregnancy. But I’m so glad that I found this 7Sage community and have stuck with all the courses and PTs. I started out with a untimed 158 on the 07June test, and am so happy to see my efforts paying off! Just want to give a big shout out to JY and the amazing fellows on the site that’s been giving me a lot of encouragement and discussions throughout the time. And to those who just started, wish you all the best, and trust me, as long as you spend the time and follow JY’s teaching, you really can do this!

Happy holidays everyone!

Your contributions to my LSAT prep has made a positive impact in my life.

Thanks to your advice and support, I was able to increase my score by 15 points, from my diagnostic test to the December exam.

This will open doors for me that I didn't think I would have for my public interest career.

If you happen to attend the same UC school as I, I look forward to taking classes with you.

Y'all rock. :)

Question, I received a 143 on my lsat and the school I'm looking at 25th percentile is a 145. However, my gpa is well over their 75th percentile. I have already submitted my applications, do I ask the school to hold the application until I take February's test? Also if i retake the February test and get a higher score, do they consider that for scholarships?

I scored 163, a few points below my PT average. I’m not devastated but definitely not thrilled either. I’m wanting to apply for schools like university of Minnesota and Boston college, maybe University of Washington in Seattle. Do I have a good shot? Should I lower my expectations ?

https://twitter.com/Official_LSAT/status/943910725617094658

Update:

https://twitter.com/Official_LSAT/status/943924306790223872

They're coming out tomorrow (Dec 22), not today.