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Last comment monday, aug 24 2015

Discouraging

Hi,

I have been studying for the Oct. 2015 LSAT since (essentially) July 1. I work a full-time job, and have recently moved to a new city, and have been adjusting to that.

I had a very high GPA in college, which is why I am putting a lot of pressure on myself to do well this October. I feel like a score under 167 is unrepresentative of myself as a student.

That being said, I have taken 5 practice tests (I realize this is few, I plan to take 30 in total), and have scored two points lower each time I take them (162 down to a 158 yesterday). This have been PT 52-56.

I have been studying on my own, using resources given to me by friends who have scored in the 170s. I just recently found 7Sage, and have done only one BR.

I can't afford to sign up for the entire 7Sage program, and feel at this point, it is too late. I am a month out of the test.

I would really, really appreciate any feedback/reality checks. Because I work a full time job, I would REALLY like to be finished with this test after October, and get my applications in for this year. If December is necessary, so be it. I already feel burned out on studying... which is probably absurd giving how little I've.

Thanks for such a helpful community!

RW

So I've been studying the LSAT for a little over a year now, and I've got LR and LG down (-0 to -2 on each section)

My real worry is RC. I've been getting -7 to -13 per RC section for PT 56 and above. But when I BR the RC section, I can usually get -0 to -3

When I did the RC for PT 40-56, I finished the RC in time and stayed within -3 to -7/8. Somehow for the new tests, this is a real problem and it's gone downhill. I'm currently working on doing RC from older tests for practice while I work my way up doing full length tests (I'm currently on PT 62... RC-13,LR-3,LG-1,LR-0 ). My time for reading passages varies from 3-5 mins and my timing for the questions also varies quite a bit; overall timing seems to be my real problem where I sometimes spend way too much time especially on the questions and don't even get to answer some of the questions at the end.

The RC section seems to be the main one stopping me from breaking the 170 bound so any advice would be highly appreciated!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-64-section-1-question-22/

I completely understand the argument core and the correct answer. However, upon review, I am confused with the way a Manhattan expert eliminates (A).

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/forums/q22-microbiologist-because-heavy-metals-t5572.html

(See the comment by rinagoldfield. Last post when I last checked. )

Is answer (A) strengthening the correlation between "metal resistance" and "antibacterial resistance" ? According to rinagoldfield, it is. She argued that (A) is incorrect because it strengthens correlation and not the causation. I am confused for two reasons:

1. I think that Mike Kim said somewhere in The Trainer that correlation, although can't prove causation, is perfectly okay to strengthen the causation. (I only glimpsed through the Trainer, let me know if I am daydreaming what this.)

2. I would have interpreted the correlation in (A) as between "not metal resistance" and "not antibacterial resistance" instead of between "metal resistance" and "antibacterial resistance" Am I missing something?

Thank you everyone in advance for trying to help!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-64-section-1-question-22/

The following is my reasoning for why the answer to PT64S1Q22 is D, and is not B. The answer-sheet states that the answer is B, while online explanations for why the answer is B seem to me to be confusing, non sequitor, flawed, and specious. That being said, im likely wrong, and the LSAT writers and expert teachers are likely right, and I simply currently cant see why. PLEASE someone explain to me how my reasoning is flawed, and why B is correct. THANKS!!

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Summary: The arguments conclusion incorrectly points to a cause (using the word "promoted"), based on a correlation. B indicates a correlation, not a cause, so B doesn't strengthen the argument. D, however, points to a cause (an indirect cause), helping to justify, and thus strengthen, the argument. D is therfore the correct answer.

Argument in Question Stem, presented in syllogistic format:

Sewage sludge concentrated with heavy metals = C

Surviving bacteria of C are resistant to heavy metal poisoning = Rh

Surviving bacteria of C are resistant to antibiotics = Ra

• C

• Rh

• (C --> Rh) (relationship is causal)

• Ra

☆ therfor, (C --> Ra) (relationship causal)

Flaw: The correlation of Ra, C, and (C --> Rh) does not mean there is a causation from C to Ra. The answer which strengthens this argument will show that (Rh --> Ra) (C causes Ra because it causes Rh which causes Ra) or directly that (C --> Ra) (C causes Ra) or some contrapositive to that effect (~Ra --> ~C) or (~Ra --> ~Rh)

Answer choices, presented in syllogistic format:

A) (~Ra --> ~Rh) with a correlative relationship, not causal. Also uses the word "most" further discrediting a potentially causal relationship. Wrong answer.

B) [(~C --> ~Rh) & (~C --> ~Ra)] with correlative relationships. Even if they were causal, it at most only proves the latter relationships contrapositive that (Ra --> C, relationship causal) which in no way strengthens the claim that (C --> Ra) for the existence of a causal relationship in one direction in no way indicates that such a relationship exists in the opposite direction. Wrong answer.

C) (Ra --> Rh), relationship causal. This doesn't tell us that (Rh --> Ra) for the existence of a causal relationship in one direction in no way indicates that such a relationship exists in the opposite direction. Wrong answer.

D) (C --> A), whereas the relationship is correlative and A = the presence of significant concentrations of antibiotics. This isn't the ideal answer, clearly. However, it introduces a new player (A), which in turn offers a prospective causal link. If (C --> A) then it's possible that (A --> Ra) which would obviously mean that (C --> A). Though we don't know to what degree it's possible that (A --> Ra), the existence of this new possibility is real; indeed, it makes sense from outside knowledge that higher levels of antibiotics in a medium likely means that the only bacteria who will survive are those that are resistant to antibiotics (duh). This renders the reasoning in the argument much stronger. Correct answer.

E) [(~Bs --> Rhp) & (~Bs --> Ra)] definitely wrong because it's completely changing the subject matter.

So what's my Achilles heal here?

Can anyone recommend any sources I can read to help increase my comprehension for science RC passages?

I see people recommend Scientific American, but it's not free.

I also see people recommend SciCentral, but the site just links to a bunch of scientific journals. Am I just to assume the majority of the journals provide articles similar enough to the LSAT science passages, or. . . ?

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Last comment monday, aug 24 2015

LR Explanations

Can we start a page within our LR discussion category similar to Manhattan's LR explanations page, or do you guys think it's redundant because of the videos? I only have the starter pkg, which doens't include all the LR questions and explanations, so if I still have questions I normally go to Manhattan's page or ask here in our forum. We could follow the same format as Manhattan: Questions listed in chronological order as they are posted; 32-4-17 (ex. Idk if that's actually an LR section). Thoughts? Of course, if this requires too much for the Admins then I think we're fine just how we are. @"Dillon A. Wright"

Hi guys,

I am very nervous and depressed after taking 5 PTs and looking for advice for my October LSAT.

My diagnostic around early June was a 161. I have spent 7 weeks on 7sage and Manhatton, and also finished the Cambridge LSAT by category. I have taken 5 PTs in the past two week. However, it looks like I am plateauing at around 168-169 and my goal is to get a 170+ on test day.

As for LR, in the past 5 tests I went -7 (pt 70), -6 (pt57), -4 (pt 55), -4(pt73), -9(pt58). In light of question types, totally, I missed 5 for MSS, 5 NA, 5 Flaw, 2 PF, 3 Weaken, 3 Strengthen, 2 Resolve reconcile, 1 MBF, 1MC, 1Para, 1 Argument part and 1 Misc. I feel that 20% of these questions are really difficult that I could not figure out the correct answer by myself. Another 20% are really simple that I either misread the question stem (like misread weakening question as strengthen question) or overlook a key word. The remaining are the ones I am struggling between two choices and end up with the wrong one. Also, for the correct questions, I am also not certain for about 15% of the questions.

As for RC, I went -6 (pt 70), -4 (pt57), -2 (pt 55), -6(pt73), -4(pt58). I am bad at the questions with answers in abstract language, and the analogy question. And some times I have trouble with the difficult words.

As for LG, I went -0 (pt 70), -3 (pt57), -1 (pt 55), -0(pt73), -0(pt58).

Overall I'm having a really hard time making the marginal gains I need to get myself consistently above 170. This is almost my last chance to take LSAT, therefore, I really want to do well. Please do not hesitate to give me any advice you regard as helpful. Also, I am wondering if I need to hire a personal tutor since there is only 5 weeks left. Thank you guys.

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Last comment sunday, aug 23 2015

Assumption is the worst.

I can't seem to get a grasp on necessary and sufficient assumption. It is consistently the worse category for me. I re-read and studied all the sections, paying close attention to assumption, but no change. I tried doing a test untimed, and yet again, assumption was the worst. I can do logic games and reading comprehension just fine, I just always get between 20-30 out of 50 in logical reasoning. What should I do?

Hi, guys, I am confused with the relationship between "causation" and conditional logic. Could anyone give me some help? According to the lessons, it seems that "A causes B" = A-->B. However, in PT25-S4-Q12, this rule does not seem to work. In the stimulus, "the school principle insisted that student failures are caused by bad teaching." Then, he concludes that since failing grades disappeared, the teaching had improved at the school. This is a parallel flaw question. I am wondering what is the flaw. Isn't it that bad teaching --> failure, here, /failure, therefore,/bad teaching? I also find several similar questions in the PTs. Therefore, I really need your help. Thank you so much.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-20/

Can someone break this down? I thought B was the least attractive answer, and it turned out to be correct. I am completely clueless on this one; I can't even make heads or tails of the argument. Is it saying that since TV caused music videos to exist, then those that think music videos are art should also think TV gave rise to a type of art? But how is B anything like this? There is no causal indicators in B and there is no comparison in the original passage (like there is in B).

Hey all,

How do you find consistency in how you approach the most difficult LR questions, e.g. the 5 star difficulty questions? I find during a timed test, I may or may not recognize these evil creatures. Sometimes they are obvious, but sometimes the right answer is so subtle, or the wrong answer is so tricky, that it completely flies over my head and I unfortunately felt confident about my reasoning. Does reviewing the questions over and over help?

Some of these most difficult questions seem so unique, in the way they are worded, or the way the argument is constructed. Not as formulaic as the easier questions. I want to find strategies so that they don't keep tripping me up. Thoughts?

Some examples

PT 72-S2-Q16

PT 72-S2-Q23

PT 72-S2-Q25

Heh, PT 72 was no picnic...

Thank you as always!

Julia

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-4-question-24/

Hi friends! I want to make sure that my reasoning is on the ball for this question, since I got it wrong the first time around.

Clarification before you read on: everything in parenthesis is taken from the stimulus, and anything not in parentheses is from the respective answer choice. I mostly need help distinguishing more clearly, A, D, and E from each other.

(A): At least one of the players in the orchestra (at least one of the joists in the wall) must have made a mistake (must have broken), since nothing else would have made the conductor grimace in the way she just did (since nothing else could have caused a bulge).

(B) doesn't match up a "fault" or a "cause" with why something must have occurred, and there is no "at least" element, either; (C) this seems pretty out of scope, especially with the X do Y only when Z

(D): This is the answer I incorrectly picked at first, with some hasty logic like: "Oh, if they are playing a piece of music that has a harp (if there is a bulge), then at least one of the players must play the harp (just like at least one of the joists must be broken). VERY BAD, I know, and answer choice (A) matches up much better. Not to mention, that (A) correctly matches the stimulus in its noting of "at least" and (D) notes "one" -- which is not a correct match.

(E) this also seems out of scope, but has those tricky, creepy, psych elements that JY talks about. "The emotion of the music is the only thing" (could be equated with the joist being the only thing), that could have caused the conductor to look so angry (that could have caused the bulge) just then, since the orchestra was playing perfectly. SEE, here there is no parallel available for the "just then" and the "since the orchestra was playing perfectly" - there is no "the wall was fine and then suddenly there was a snap noise" and so "just then, the joist could have been the only thing for the bulge," etc.

Am I making any sense?

I'm usually totally fine with these types of questions. Any thoughts?

Alright, I already took and canceled my July 2015 score and registered for the October test. I have been studying all summer and I am now taking PTs. I am at PT 58 and I plan to go up to PT 74. I still cannot seem to finish any of the sections in time (I usually need like 3-5 more minutes for each). And to top it off, I consistently score at 159 and BR at 168. I'd like to score in the 170s.

I know I put it in a way that already sounds bad but, in all honesty, do you guys think I should postpone for December? It would be great if I could at least touch 170. But honestly, is it humanly possible for me to do it in the October one? If not, I should probably know soon to alter the study schedule I have set up.

:(

I've never taken the LSAT yet and I don't believe I'll be hitting my target score come October. I want a 169+ and it's really aggravating since LG is the section that's holding me back. In addition, I have some timing issues and am barely able to complete sections with a few minutes to spare. If I postpone to December, I think I'll improve in both LG and timing.

Now, I really want to apply for the upcoming cycle yet I also want to do my best. Postponing to December will hurt my chances for the upcoming cycle since I'll be late in the game + I won't have the option for a retake. But again, I want to take the real test knowing that I'm capable of hitting my target score.

Also, it doesn't help having parents and siblings continuously putting pressure on you. I've been studying since April, postponed to October after having initially signed up for the June administration, and now it looks like I'll have to postpone to December. And it's not due to laziness, rather it's taking a bit longer than I thought it would. The LSAT is hard! I wish everyone were as understanding as the people on this forum; my friends and family just don't understand how much work is required to hit a 170+ on this test.

And lastly, does anyone know how many practice exams one should take before his/her first exam? Should you save 5-10 practice exams for a potential retake?

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Last comment thursday, aug 20 2015

7Sage Ultimate+

Does anyone know when Ultimate+ is coming out? I'm planning on upgrading to Ultimate for the video explanations but if Ultimate+ is coming out anytime before the October LSAT I'd rather save my money to see how much it'll be. Does anyone have more information on Ultimate+ (price or time-wise)?

Very confused on this reasoning question. Can anyone help explain?

@yinyinxu Medical studies indicate that the metabolic rates of professional athletes ar substantially greater than those of the average person. So, most likely, a person's speed and strength are primarily determined by that person's metabolic rate.

Which one of the following, if true, most strengthens the argument?

A. Some of the athletes are either faster or stronger than the average person

B. Some professional athletes do not have higher metabolic rate than some of the average ppl

C. The speed and the strength of ppl who are not professional athletes are not primarily determined by choice of diet and exercise

D. Intensive training such as that engaged in by professional athletes causes an increase in metabolic rate

E. Drugs that surprises metabolic rate have been shown to have the side effect of diminishing the speed and strength of those who are not professional athlete

Admin note: This is a fake question, so take it as you will.

Still unsure of what the best approach is when doing these questions on a timed exam. The Trainer advocates using intuition while 7sage seems to encourage diagramming since these questions are very formulaic. When I get to these questions on a timed exam, I never know which approach is best. I'm always a bit nervous to diagram since I'm afraid it'll eat up too much time, however, I know that diagramming will lead to better accuracy. Please help!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-43-section-3-question-21/

I am not sure if this is the right place to post question. But the video explanation was missing something to me.

So you have

Spring Cleanup

|---------------------------------|---------------------------------|

Certificate

(-----------------------------------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(------------)

Now there may be some kind of implicit assumption that Spring cleanup too place at the same time as the art fair. And some people at the spring cleanup are not active in town's artistics circles. So the assumption here is that if you did not go to the art fair, then you are not active in the town's artistic circles. And if you are active in artistic circles, you did go to the art's fair. It is also (seems) to be assuming that art fair and spring cleanup are mutually exclusive. We aren't really sure.

The answer choice makes no sense, we actually know nothing about people who ARE ACTIVE in the art circles. Which makes D impossible as an answer choice. You simply cannot conclude NOTHING about it. It Could Be True, but this is a MUST be true question.

I enrolled 7sage ultimate course and learn a lot of efficient methods watching videos. But sometimes I found it very difficult to truly understand most of LR and RC problems in timed constraints.

So I bought a Trainer book and it arrived yesterday to get more personalized support . I would like to supplement my weakness especially in LR and RC after carefully reading it. I plan to take an exam in December, I want to decide the best available plan covering both 7sage and trainer. If you are using the above materials, what should I consider in order to get the most desirable outcomes?

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Last comment thursday, aug 20 2015

Careless Mistakes

I usually get -2 to -4 on LG but I feel at least a good 75% of these are from careless mistakes. They're often really easy questions, so as one can imagine, this is really frustrating. I'm not sure why I was so careless most of the time. Perhaps I relied too much on memory/instinct and didn't explicitly check the answer against each rule I diagrammed. Any tips or words of advice?

Hi all,

I recently started 7sage with my main focus being on games--I did do the conditional lessons and a few other previous lessons and am now working a ton of sequencing problems. When should I move on to "sequencing with a twist?" after I can pick up any random new game I haven't seen and can do it perfectly and in time? Or after I am substantially faster and better (though not perfect and on exactly time) on sequencing? How many questions would you go through with the practice-make copies-review-process before moving to the next games lesson? I'm worried I'll just be practicing some games forever without learning new techniques ever...studying for the October but most likely will change test date for December, but still want to be studying at a decent rate as if taking the october (in case a miracle happens and I decide I want to take it)

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-3-question-19/

When you encounter the word "contributes" on the LSAT, do you take this to be a "causation" word? For example, if I tell you that "high cholesterol contributes to heart disease". Would you say that high cholesterol is a cause of heart disease? I always have assumed so, but PT 47, S3, Q19 threw me off by equating "contributes" (which I thought implies causation) to "is associated with" (which I thought implies mere correlation).

The word "is associated with" was on the stimulus, and the word "contributes" was in the correct answer (C). I did not choose this answer because I thought that I would be making an assumption from correlation to causation by picking it.

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