Hey everyone,

I'm studying for the September LSAT and have been at it a few months. Until recently, the way I've been setting up for games has been to create setups with initial rules and inferences in pen. Then, for each question I would add new information to my set up with pencil. This way I could easily erase from question to question and always go back to my original set up. However, I recently realized I would not be able to do this on the actual exams, because pens are not allowed (I know, stupid oversight).

So, now I feel a little a slower with games, trying to adapt to life without a pen. Each question I'm having to focus more of my brain's "RAM" on remembering what I shouldn't be erasing at the end of the question, instead of having my full processing power devoted to question itself.

I'm wondering how others approach their set up with a pencil. What strategies have people found to be effective? Do others do this so differently, that am looking at this all wrong?

Why is (A) right and not (D)? I cannot for the life of me figure this out

Hey 7Sagers, thanks for taking the time to read this and answer my conundrum. My issue is LGs; specifically - which boards to use and what the setup should look like. Unsurprisingly, if I can set the game up correctly I can answer any question choice. Even more so, if I know what type of logic game it is (during the 7sage course curriculum) I can usually get -2 questions per section. I tried JY's suggestion of repeating logic games with clean copies but when I repeat the game I remember the logic game and the board setup without fail - even after several days. This method has not helped me in improving PT logic games where I'ver never seen those games before; it's like my brain is learning by assigning a setup to specific variables and not the broader context of the game. What are some things that you guys can recommend to help sharpen my ability to decipher the games and to determine which boards should be used on games I've never seen before? My LG is my weakest area by far and it will be the key to increasing from my current 161 average to the upper 160s/low 170s that I'm aiming for. I'm very grateful for your suggestions.

Yours,

Can someone help me with this one?

I don't understand why B is not right. The stimulus I thought was saying that if it's something you don't have control over, then you are not responsible for it. And Therefore, If it's a consequence of something you don't have control over, the you should be held responsible.

Then it says that everyone sometimes acts in ways that are a consequence of treatment they received as infants, so doesn't that make the inference that everyone sometimes acts in ways that they are shouldn't be held responsible for. So therefore, I don't understand how E is the correct answer but B is not supported. Because my thinking was that for E, it talks about adults only, and the stimulus says that everyone, including little children and like adolescents, sometimes acts in these ways that you shouldn't be held responsible for.

So doesn't that mean that you could have been like 12 and acted in some way that was a consequence of treatment you received as an infant, and then as an adult you never did that again. So how is B not the right answer because that's exactly the possible that it captures and E doesn't Also, for B, i was hesitant over its saying "commonly performed" but then, if everyone sometimes does it, that's commonly performed, is it not?

I need help o Must be true questions. I have noo idea where to begin

Can we reliably use the negation test to rule out answer choices that strengthen/are sufficient for the argument?

e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-4-question-16/... Negating "less likely" = equal or greater than, which doesn't wreck the argument.

Hey 7sage!

When will the explanations be available for the June 2016 exam? Also, will they be included if I bought a couple extra months on my ultimate pack? Thanks!

Hello everyone,

As we know, the June 2016 scores were released. This was my second time taking it and my score DROPPED to an embarrassingly low figure.

I was scoring mid 160s on my practice tests, which is higher than my first LSAT score, so I thought I had made some progress. The highest I've ever scored was a 170 on a PT, but I've never been able to score that again, even on the same test. Normally I score perfectly on LG even on timed PTs, but LG was very difficult for me on this June LSAT. I ran out of time to even start reading my last RC passage, although RC is my weakest spot. And as for LR, I always think I understand it, but I must be making the same mistakes.

I've already started thinking whether law isn't for me. But before I give up my law aspirations completely, I will be trying one last time.

If anyone could point to any retake study schedules, please post. I was using the lawschooli and 7sage study schedules but I was wondering if there were specifically any retake schedules? Or for anyone who has taken the LSAT 2-3 times, pointers to give so I know how and on what to focus my time?

Thank you and congrats to everyone who is happy with their score!!! You did it! :)

For this particular question, I'm not really sure why answer choice B is correct over answer choice C. In the LSAT, do motives usually apply to reasons relating to self-interest, such as profit-motive? Additionally, aren't presuppositions or assumptions not stated in the stimulus. Maria seemed to be directly attacking Lucien's intermediary conclusion that homelessness is caused by people's unwillingness or inability work.

Hey everyone,

I just planned out my PT schedule from now until the September exam. I have been studying for 6 months and doing tests for about the past month or so. I'm hoping to take 28 PTs between now and September. I'm on track for two a week, since I want to cover all the 50s, 60s, and 70-77. I'll start taking three a week in September with Blind Review of course.

Does anyone think this is a good idea? Should my tests increase or decrease in the final month? I do not want to burn out but I also want to make sure I'm running on quality adrenaline/confidence going into the final week. My last PT would be September 21st, which would give me Thursday for a final Blind Review and Friday for rest. If anyone has any tips, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

Hi everyone,

Sorry to create another retake advice thread. I scored a 169 on the June test and plan on retaking in September. I would really appreciate any advice on where to go from here since I burnt out pretty hard towards the end of my studying for the June test and don't want that to happen again!

On the test, I missed:

-1 LG

-2 RC

-9 LR (combined; -3 & -6)

I felt prepared going into the test, and fortunately I don't have test anxiety. During the test, I thought that I bombed the last 2 RC passages, so I was very surprised to see that I only missed 2 RC questions total. But missing 9 questions in LR is not typical for me. I would like to get a score at or above the 75th percentile for my target schools, so hoping to get a 171+. My practice tests were well above 169, so I know I scored below my ability.

I don't know where to begin studying for a retake. LGs are second nature to me now, and I rarely miss any LG questions on PTs. I felt I had improved in RC after I figured out a method that works for me, and apparently I did improve, but I still want to work on it so I can feel the same kind of mastery over it that I feel with LG. I've worked through every single LR question type drilling packet, and feel like I have an intuitive grasp of the questions, so I don't know how I should approach LR now. Looking through the questions I missed on the June test is bumming me out, because the questions I missed are question types that I had considered my strong areas during my prep so I think I made careless mistakes on the actual test.

My prep included the LSAT Trainer, the Powerscore LG Bible, the question-type drilling packets, drilling many RC sections, and 35+ timed PTs with intensive blind review.

Do you think I should purchase a 7sage course, or do something more tailored to my weaknesses? I can provide more specific information about the questions I missed if that would be helpful. Really appreciate any advice guys. Thanks!

Hi!

I'm halfway through the grouping game problem sets, and my timing for these sets have been pretty abysmal. On average, I've consistently taken about twice as much time as J.Y's target times. At worst, I also find myself missing a few questions if I fail to divide up the game board when appropriate and/or getting bogged down with digesting the rules and inferences.

I was wondering if other test-takers also experienced the same kinds of timing issues when they began studying LGs, and if these difficulties eventually went away with more practice and the "foolproof method".

I understand that, if I was absolutely nailing these LGs under target time with 100% accuracy, there'd be no need to study. However, if taking twice as much time as the target time is unusual, then I probably need to slow my studying down and reevaluate.

Thanks.

Dear Sir,

I just started LSAT and now entering the 3rd week.

Progress is being made. But I guess I practice differently and was wondering what you think about this? Please let me know your perspective.

So, traditionally, I guess most students will time themselves: 1:27 per question. But I don't understand the logic behind that if you are at the very beginning.

Instead:for each of the problem sets, of course, I follow the general steps, but then I do something different:

1) I try to translate the words into a diagram

2) I WRITE out each answer and exactly WHY I think some are right and some are wrong

3) I blind review with the words that I wrote to match how the "profesisonal-JY" arrive to there wrong or correct answer choices

4) Of the questions I get wrong, I then type them into word and go more in-depth why my brain's neuron went off track

The reason why I do this is because, as a professional golfer, it doesn't make sense for some one to begin going to the course and hit 18 if in the first place the person only knows how to hold the club or just have the ball hit.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Does anyone anticipate taking the September test & submitting apps this fall / winter? I am considering the 3 month package.

Dear Sir,

Today I am on problem set 3-MSS- and encountered a problem during my blank review.

If you can, please check out the question: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-27-section-1-question-12/

But in general, the question goes:

cotton in cloth is straightened artfully. Natural cotton is curled so when washed under high temperature, it shrinks (because it is currently in straightened form and heat triggers it back to its natural state). And the other kind of material-poly-doesn't shrink.

And here comes the correct answer's inference: poly material is straight in its natural state.

When I was answering the question I eliminated all of them, and for the last one I wrote: "the premise does not give any support for the state of the poly material's natural state", and I mean how can you do such a inference?

Or is it that for the fewest question, there is the possibility that there may be a time when you can only work a problem by elimination?

Thoughts?

I'll be watching Legally Blonde tonight - anyone else?? Fun fact that they actually study with the infamous record store LG ha!

Can't thank 7Sage enough for getting me to this point and getting in my ideal score range! Congrats to everyone else who got their scores today!!

Before I can get into my actual concern, I have to setup a sort of lengthy background story, so you lovely person taking your wonderful time to read this post could grasp a better understanding of my concern. :D :O :/

So a week before this hectic spring semester ended, my school was offering our very first LSAT discussion panel hosted by Princeton Review. I was immediately drawn to the event because I thought, "hey. LSAT. Me likey" and because I was in serious need of guidance for the LSAT. Also a quick note, I had already set myself up for a mediocre attitude towards preparing for the LSAT because students I have spoken to prior seemed content with their scores in the 150's and told me that a condensed 3 months studying would be sufficient. I am currently a 20-year-old senior with a 3.7 GPA (salty about my GPA because I could have done better :P) who is scheduled to graduate May 2017.

Anyways back to the story, once the event finally rolls around, the PR marketing guy, who seems extremely chill and intelligent, basically tells me that LSAT is my life, and I should have been preparing for it yesterday. My stomach dropped at this point because I was appalled at how naive I was to waste precious LSAT studying time. The PR marketing guy then tells me that once I have finished taking my finals that I would need to register for the September LSAT immediately so my scores could be sent in with my law school applications to be accepted in time for fall 2017. Once I left the event, I felt both under pressure and motivated to start the LSAT journey. So of course once the semester ended, and I prolonged my LSAT journey about a week and a half due to physical and mental exhaustion, I began freaking out. The PR guy's voice was lingering in my head about how I needed to register and secure my seat ASAP and because of this roadblock I could not function properly. So I register and pay for the September 2016 LSAT to relieve myself of this lingering pressure then I heavily did some research on which LSAT study program I should invest in, and there I was, feeling great about everything. However, after reading multiple discussions in this LSAT program, I realize that I may have shorted myself studying time, and the pressure is back on.

I also now realize that I have an option to pay a fee to reschedule from taking the test in late September to December. While rescheduling to give myself more studying time, which I am unsure if I truly need it, I feel as though I may do poorly because of the exhaustion that might come from fall semester. I am taking 5 classes next semester with a 10 hour internship, which counts as one of those 5 classes, and I work 25 hours a week at night. Am I safe for taking the LSAT in September (I technically started studying last month), or should I try and reschedule for December, or am I just doomed for mediocrity?

Thank you for reading, I look forward to your responses! :-)

Hopefully, this makes some sense. Keep in mind, I am using the term math very loosely.

Basically, I am wondering if anyone is aware of a resource that gets into numbers/maths issues in LR. Some examples would be percentages versus numbers [fairly frequent], greater than or equal to vs. less than, etc. One I saw recently was that the stimulus establishes that revenues were equal to fees and other revenues. If costs exceed the sum both [A>B+C], costs must be greater than either individual component. Now, I get that it is relatively obvious math, but, when doing LR questions, these kind of make me fumble more than they should. I am trying to find any resources that sort of do an overview of frequent math/number related issues on LR.

This question is about an ethicist who says love refers to a feeling therefore a marital vow saying to love until death do us part is a promise that makes no sense because feelings are not within our control and a promise to do something not within one's control makes no sense. He concludes that no one should take love in this context to be referring to feelings.

The conclusion follows logically if which is assumed?

The answer choices are:

a: no feelings are within our control

b. People should not promise to something not within their control

c. love can be taken to refer to something other then feelings

d. promises should not be interpreted in a way that makes no sense

e. promises that cannot be kept do not make sense

The answer is D and I can't figure out why. Help.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-64-section-1-question-23/

I am getting a little discouraged. I am seeing major improvements in my other sections, but am still doing incredibly bad on RC. Just looking for some inspiration.

Dear Sir,

I am uncertain about my analysis of this passage. Can you please share yours?

PT9, S2, Q3,

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Context: Balance in particularly important when reporting the background of civil wars and conflicts.

Context: Facts must not be deliberately manipulated to show one party in a favorable light, and the views of each side should be fairly represented

Conclusion: This concept of balance, however, does not justify concealing or glossing over basic injustices in an effort to be even-handed.

Premise: If all the media were to adopt such a perverse interpretation of balanced reporting, the public would be given a picture of a world where each party in every conflict had an equal measure of justice on its side, Premise: contrary to our experience of life and, indeed, our common sense.

Dear Sir,

Here is my question: please take a look at the statement above. Of the 3rd sentence, begins with "Many important...", do you consider the sentence a minor conclusion or a major premise or a rephrase of the (major) conclusion?

And a general question, does the statement, "A major premise" is always a sub-conclusion" stand? if not, can you please explain, thanks.

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• Conclusion: Such position ignores the lessons of experience Referential phrase “such position” referring to the, “Some legislators refuse to commit public funds for new scientific research if they cannot be assured that the research will contribute to the public welfare”.

• Minor conclusion/major premise/Rephrase of major conclusion: Many important contributions to the public welfare that resulted from scientific research were never predicted as potential outcomes of that research.

• Minor premise/citing example: Suppose that a scientist in the early twentieth century had applied for public funds to study molds: who would have predicted that such research would lead to the discovery of antibiotics—one of the greatest contribution ever made to the public welfare.

I'm having trouble translating "only" statements... can anyone help me out?

For example:

Only the best artworks are beautiful. (PT 49, Section 4, Question 16)

Since "only" is a group 2 indicator (necessary), wouldn't it be the following:

Best Artworks --> Beautiful

Or, is it:

Beautiful --> Best Artworks

Thanks for your help, guys! Much appreciated.

I'm reviewing why I struggled more than I should've on game 3, and JY labeled the in/out differently than I did. He labels "finance" as out and "incentives" as in. I switched mine around and while I was still able to solve the game, I struggled more than I should've have on this simple in/out game. If you linked up the conditional chains with "finance" as in and "incentives" as out, I don't think you get the correct split boards. Has anyone tried this game with the same labels as me? Trying to figure out if I made a logic mistake or if I'm missing something in this game (whyyyyy).

Thanks in advance!!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-41-section-2-game-3/

Hi there,

I just started studying LSAT and was wondering how does the team spots conclusions?

Do you use indicator words as from the lecture?

Or

Do you just read an question and always ask why or the assumption method? (assume X is conclusion, whether the passage supports?