So as I am going about my studying I am finding that flaw questions are particularly hard for me. I have noticed a pattern though. I get roughly 60% of flaw questions correct. The way the questions answers are worded is what trips me up. I have noticed there are two "kinds" of flaw answer choices. There are those that relate the answers directly back to the stimulus;

Example - 62-4-11

The reporter concludes from the evidence showing only M can cure athlete's foot that M always can cure athletes foot.

or there are those that make the flaw abstract;

Examples - 64-3-14

It repudiates a claim merely on the grounds that an inadequate argument had been given for it

It fails to consider that, even if an argument's conclusion is false, some of the assumptions used to justify that conclusion nonetheless be true.

It is these that I answer with almost 0 confidence and inevitably get wrong. Thinking about it deeper, I can almost never describe a flaw in abstract form. I have decent success on LR (-6 to -8) per section because I can read the stimulus and in that specific instance patch the holes/connect the bridges/strengthen/weaken. I can never tell exactly WHAT the author has made a mistake on.

Obviously this is a problem. If not just for flaw questions alone. This contributes to about -4ish questions per test because flaws questions appear roughly 8 times.

What can I do to train myself on these kind of questions?

hi friends, does anyone know if

any info appreciated, good luck to everyone, may we all get into our dream schools xx

So I have accommodations (time and a half - 53 minutes per section) and just finished the test a little while ago. Something weird as hell happened... The proctor was timing us (me and one other person) incorrectly!

I had the bezel on my watch set to the minute hand when we started and at minute 43, the protcor said 5 minutes remaining and I was like ??? but thought maybe I messed up my watch or something so I just accepted I had 5 minutes left and finished the first section accordingly. At the end of section 1, I thought about saying something but stupid me fell victim to authority worship and assumed that I was in the wrong and didn't say anything in the very short time we had before moving to section 2.

Now it's minute 43 in section 2 and once again, proctor calls 5 minute warning. At this point, I know I'm not wrong and she definitely messed up somehow so I push past my initial outrage/disbelief and keep moving with 5 minutes left. As soon as she calls time for section 2, I immediately tell her that I'm almost entirely certain we didn't get the appropriate time for the last 2 sections. After brief discussion, she says that she knows what time we started and if by the end of section 3, the time isn't adding up, she'll give us that time back at the end.

Lo and behold, we finish section 3 (this time after the full 53 minutes) and at the break, she realizes I was right and that we were gypped of 5 minutes from both section 1 and 2. She talked to the supervisor and did allow us to go back to each section for 5 minutes once we had finished the test but before the essay.

Obviously, that whole fuck up threw off my mental game and presumably negatively affected my score. Not to mention that section 2 was RC so those 5 minutes weren't nearly as useful at the end because I had to waste time skimming a passage again because I naturally forgot some of the details after a few hours.

I figure I should email LSAC about this whole situation but I was wondering if any of you have had something similar happen and if so, what did you do about it? I'm not sure what LSAC could do aside from maybe a refund of the registration fee. Tbh I'm not even sure what I want them to do about it.

Any advice or input on my situation would be very much appreciated!

Any thoughts? How did you guys feel about it?

I got 3 sections, 2 with 25 questions and 1 with 26 questions.

I think I did OK... but totally bombed the RC...

Please note that the information below will change to reflect the information we get! Contribute if you can via the official June 2017 LSAT discussion (linked at the bottom of this thread) without going into too much detail. If you think something is wrong or should be added, please post in the thread and let me know.

Real Sections:

LG:

Urban Rural Magazine

Travellers & Cities (Tokyo, Sydney, Manila)

Obstacle Course

Composer Scheduling Performances

RC:

Wynton Marsalis / Jazz

Dowsing

Children / Psychologists / Inferences

Appellate / Evidence / Trial Courts

LR:

Car Safety Tests

Chimpanzee and Orangutans / Screwdrivers

Nobel Prize

Chlorophyll/Bacteria

Marsupials Breathing Through Skin

People on Treadmills

Neutrons and Quarks

Movie Reviewers

Factory Smoke / Nuclear Accident / Heavy Isotope / Earth's Core

Vampire Books

Mosquitoes Sensing Gasses from Humans

Salespeople not using a Database

Keeping State Secrets

Free Speech / Shouting "FIRE!" in a Crowded Theatre

Draining a Marsh / Environmental Effects

Man Creates Fire

Moose Antlers

Experimental Sections:

LG:

Kittens/Puppies

Types of Beer / Brewery

Museum

Flower

Grooming

5 Tasks/Wardrobe, Props

RC:

Ancient North America Structures Based off of Astronomy/Supernova

Shelley / 14th Amendment

Earthquakes

LR:

Train Clocks

Perception of Average Wait Time

Blowdrying Hands

Mammoth Engraving on Bone

UNCONFIRMED:

If you can confirm that these are real / experimental, please do so by PMing me or posting in the main thread.

LR:

This thread is closed for discussion. Official post June LSAT discussion is stickied at the top of the forums.

I'm thinking of bringing an extra few (or more than few?) gallon bags to the test center to give to people who didn't realize they have to put everything in one. Maybe it will give me a few extra karma points?! Thoughts? Who's with me? #letsgo

Hi! I will be writing the LSAT in September, and I have 3 months in hand. I had started studying for the basics in late April, using PTs 52-61 and the LSAT Trainer and 7sage videos for logic games. I have been getting almost all of my LR and LG questions right by this point, but I take too much time to reach the answer in every question, especially in LR. What can I do now to work on my speed and keep up the accuracy?

Thanks in advance!

I got no dietary restrictions, so with that said... any ideas on what food to pack 4 tomorrow's test?

The correct answer to this question is information that would help to evaluate the argument in the stimulus. If the information is taken to one extreme, it will strengthen the argument, and if the information is taken to the other extreme, it will weaken the argument. Under this standard, why isn't (D) correct?

The argument breaks down as follows, imo:

Premise: A nearly complete skeleton of an earlier dinosaur that was not a T.Rex had the T.Rex characteristics (big head, small arms, long legs), but was much smaller in size and lighter than the T.Rex.

Conclusion: The T.Rex's features (big head, small arms, long legs) did not develop in order to accommodate the size and weight of the T.Rex.

I understand why (B) is a question that would help evaluate the argument, but why isn't (D) considered information helpful to evaluate the argument?

If the earlier dinosaur is NOT related to the T.Rex, then wouldn't that weaken the argument by leaving it more vulnerable to the objection that some difference between that dino and the T.Rex explains the counterexample away? And imagine if the dinosaur was almost exactly the same as a T.Rex (so extremely closely related) -- wouldn't that strengthen the argument by strengthening the relevance of the counterexample and making it harder to distinguish it?

Let's go a little bit outside the stimulus to explore this issue -- if we had found a mammal skeleton that had the T.Rex head, arm, and leg characteristics, but the mammal was tiny, would that evidence be just as powerful as the skeleton evidence in the stimulus? If not, then doesn't that prove the relatedness of the skeleton specie and the T. Rex IS helpful to evaluating the argument? And if the answer is yes (that a mammal skeleton would be just as powerful as a dino skeleton as evidence for the conclusion), how?

Thank you for any thoughts.

Yeah. So fool-proofing LG can contribute to other, transferrable aspects of the test. I've basically committed the past 6 weeks to the bundle while "neglecting" LR and RC. But now, as I mix in some those sections, I find that the habits I've instilled from LG remain regardless of the section.

Keep on pushing ya'll. If you're aiming for Dec like me, it's not too late to master games. Good luck!

Hi everyone!

I'm currently a rising senior in college, and I intend to take the LSAT in September and begin law school in the fall of 2018.

I started my LSAT prep in late May, working almost exclusively with Logic Games for that duration. My timed scores have been consistently high for the past two weeks, but I almost inevitably miss a single question on each game. The missed question is almost always one of the easiest in the game, and my incorrect answer is always outside of the commonly selected wrong answers (according to the 7sage metrics.)

The situation is derived from a consistent pattern of mindless/silly mistakes, and I've struggled with this kind of thing since elementary school. Even using blind review, even after reading every word in a passage twice and out loud, I end up writing down a rule wrong, or bubbling in a letter different than the correct answer I just identified.

I know that the canned answer to this is to drill, and trust that over time I'll sharpen up and the necessary skills will develop. That said, I wanted to reach out and field any advice from others who may share a similar personal weakness. Even if focus/detail is your forte, I'd love to hear your stratagem and facilitate a discourse on how to remain keen, especially when practicing with time restriction.

Thanks!

Is this a terrible idea ....?

Okay so this one I really don't understand. The question talks about changing days of the year so that the days no longer shift.

It states: Many scheduling problems could be avoided if the last day of each year, and an additional day every 4th year belonged to no week.

The stem says: The proposal above, once put into effect, would be most likely to result in continued scheduling conflicts for which one of the following groups?

The correct answer is B.) Employed people whose strict religious observations require that they refrain from working every 7th day.

What....how would they have a continued scheduled problem? Every 7th day they don't work. What's the issue here? Do I assume that work would say "Hey, you don't get to take that 7th day off because of your religion?" I feel like it requires me to assume things that it shouldn't. Or maybe I am missing the idea completely....

Hello guys,

ive been consistently scoring 20+ on RC yet in the last few days I've been getting scores as low as 14

i suspect its a sorting issue as i haven't been able to properly triage the passages in terms of difficulty.

should i be worried ? do i go back to doing them in the sequence that they're originally presented ?

id hate to change strategy so late in the game.

thanks

Was wondering if someone could give me an explanation in there osn words

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-10-section-2-game-4/

Hey, I generally read all the answer choices, but I thought it would save time if not. So, I am essentially asking is it better to be safe than sorry or save time? Thanks!

Can anyone who took this test pm me? Thanks

Hello everyone!

I am in the middle of reviewing PT 68 section 1 question 24.

I had a question about the answer choices.

Is answer choice E translating into "If there is a reasonable solution to the problem of overdue water bills in the city -> enact a law that classifies water bills as taxes" or is it the other way around, enacting a law that classifies water bills as taxes as the sufficient condition. I know that "the only" signifies a sufficient condition but sometimes I get confused from time to time and mistake it for necessary condition depending on where the term "the only" appears in the sentence.

Thanks a bunch for your inputs!

Jay bird

Can someone tell me the difference between Weaken Questions and Stregthen Questions, and how to find the answer.

I have a hard time identifying exactly what the author's attitude is. Can anyone shed a little light on this subject ?

I will be taking the June LSAT and I find that I sometimes struggle to finish the entire RC section. I am consistently in the middle of the fourth passage when 5 minutes are called, of course, making me nervous and unsure of the most effective way to approach the question. Does anyone have advice on how to approach the last passage without much time? Yesterday I took a PT and tried to skim the passage before approaching the questions, that proved ineffective. I am striving to get a 170+ on the LSAT and so this is a section I truly feel I need to have a strategy when approaching. Any advice would be appreciated!

It seems I am in a pretty unfortunate situation! When I began taking the practice tests, my scores were steadily increasing, to the point that I was achieving 15+ points over my baseline score for the first LSAT I took without studying. However, over the last week each PT I take I see my score decrease more and more to the point that I am now back at my baseline score. I don't understand why as I went through the 7Sage program and feel as though I am really understanding all of the questions. I am hoping to get a 170+ on the June LSAT and this is a seriously huge setback. Does anyone have any advice for me? I am truly beginning to loose hope on my score and there's only 5 days until the LSAT! Crying forever, SOS I would appreciate any advice, insight, or personal experiences!

So I chose D because I thought that the conclusion of the stimulus was that the US is behind in the sense that they should make these safety regulations a requirement not that they aren't actually safe because in the stimulus it says that they are all successful in reducing occupational injuries and I thought it was reasonable to infer that it would start out as volunteering then lead to a law.

I thought A was incorrect because we're speculating, we can't possibly know what will happen in the future unless were told something in the stimulus, so long story short, I am confused haha, can someone explain this one to me please? TYA!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-24/

What up gang, 6 days til D day, who's pumped!!!???

Anyway, I trying to drill Logic games tonight and tomorrow, wondering if anyone has a list or some examples of "The forgotten few" as Powergames calls them. Those are Pattern, Circular Linearity and Mapping Games. I'm going to start looking through my past tests for examples, and I'll post the PT number and section of those I find for anyone interested, but thought some crowd-sourcing could save us all some effort :)

Printed out my ticket for the June LSAT's this morning. On the ticket it says "report no later than 12:30". I thought the exam started at 12:30?

What time are y'all arriving at the test center?