Hi everyone,

I truthfully don't have a difficult time answering the LG questions/making the proper inferences once I know my game board is correct. That's where my problem is though. I don't trust my board, and I constantly find myself reviewing JY's answers before moving on to the questions.

Is this going to get better with practice or does anyone have any techniques on how I can improve on trusting my board? I suppose I already know the answer, it's just extremely frustrating. Will it just click after a certain point or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,

bC

Hi everyone!

I was wondering if someone could give me a quick summary of when conditional rules trigger and when they become irrelevant in logic games...it still takes me a while to fully grasp the idea.

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Hi All,

I am registered to take the December exam but really believe in order to do my best, I should move the date to the February exam. My goal is not to attend a top school and the majority of the schools to which I am applying application deadlines for the fall semester well into 2015. One even has a July 1 cutoff, which is amazing to me. Anyway, I was just wonder what people have heard/know about the level of difficulty of the February exam. Is it truly more difficult? Does it really hinder the possibility of getting into school in the fall based on all the fact many law schools have rolling admissions? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you!

Here's a great bridging-type tip:

[Mock Stimulus]

Every weekday in Pleasantville the mayor goes home on lunch. Her husband is a stay-at-home father and architect. He has planned many buildings for the city of Pleasantville. They have been lauded as some of the most beautiful in existence. Last Tuesday there was an accident causing Main Street to be closed off. Therefore, the mayor did not get to see her husband for lunch.

Any new information in the conclusion must be included in the correct answer choice. The correct answer has to include something about not seeing her husband for lunch (either last Tuesday or a generalization about road closings and seeing him/he not being able to see her). Also, you're probably thinking "Cool, but couldn't he go see her for lunch?" or "Couldn't she take a side-street to get home?" or "Why couldn't they drive in opposite directions to two different airports, thereby flying to a destination in a previous timezone where it would still be lunch and they'd have awesome stone-baked authentic Italian pizza?"

[Mock Answer Choices]

A.) If one is the planner of the most beautiful buildings in existence then one will surely get a contract with the city of Pleasantville.

B.) If there is an accident on Main Street, the mayor cannot go to her favorite delicatessen for lunch.

C.) If the mayor's husband is busy working on a new and exciting project, then she will not get to see him on lunch.

D.) If Main Street is closed off, the mayor will not be able to see her husband for lunch.

E.) If the mayor does not see her husband on lunch, then she will fly to Disneyland.

-A.) is wrong because, really, what does landing city contracts have to do with anything?

-B.) is wrong because what does her favorite deli have to do with anything?

-C.) is wrong because we don't know if he is in fact working on any project. It requires an additional assumption.

-D.) is the correct answer because it bridges the loose ends. It says that if Main Street is closed, then there is no way they meet up on lunch.

-E.) is cool and I just hope she takes her lovely darling children.

Using this technique will allow you speedily check off incorrect answer choices that don't have the information pertaining to the conclusion. Hope this helps!

(I'm obviously not a test writer, but it should make sense, I hope.)

All, when setting up your rules, does anyone advise to number those rules. Im not sure where i picked up the habit but I realized i was doing it.

Any thoughts on whether this is a good idea?

Hey guys,

I know it's a bit early to ask but I was wondering if anyone knows when the September test will be available as a PT on 7sage?

Thanks!

I plan to write about 20-25 practice tests before the December LSAT. I've gone through all of JY's material, I just need to write practice tests. Is it better to write them at a slower pace throughout October and November, or just write them almost every day in November?

Hello my name is Amina, I am a Virginia State University May '14 grad, I'm looking to take the Dec '14 LSAT so I can enroll in Law School for Aug '15. I am in desperate need of a study partner, I need to work on my logical reasoning and increase my speed on the logic games. Please respond if interested or if you know someone that may be interested! Thanks!

I doubt I will have time to take all the prep tests before my December LSAT. Does anyone have certain tests that they found particularly challenging that they recommend be taken for sure?

Hey Guys, I'm currently out of the country and would be returning around Thanksgiving. In the meantime, I am studying on my own (using 7sage of course) and would like to know if there would be anyone willing to form a study group with me? My only means of communication would be skype for now till i get back. Thanks! Let me know.

Hey guys,

Just in case anyone else is as ignorant as me about the clocks changing...for anyone taking the LSAT in Australia tomorrow morning, note that Daylight Savings time begins early Sunday morning (at 2am, the clocks will go forward one hour to 3am). So make sure your alarm is set properly, and maybe that you go to bed a bit earlier :)

Good luck!

It's quite sad but I never have enough time to finish the last remaining passage. So if there are only 3-5 minutes left, and you have a whole new passage remaining, what would be the ideal approach?

I found this logic game to help alleviate the anxiety of waiting for the results! Honestly the LSAT material actually does make you smarter. Everyone have a go at this, it was fun.

http://mathbits.com/MathBits/MathMovies/HarryPotter.pdf

I'm just going through the lesson on Valid Argument Forms now and I was wondering for which questions are the existential quantifiers relevant? I guess I'm just having a hard time visualizing how learning the different valid forms will help to different between Logical Reasoning questions types.

When notating rules in a game, is it advisable to NOT write down the contrapositive, but simply understand how it would work for a particular rule? Or is it best to write down the contrapositive under each given rule?

I noticed that writing down contrapositives for each rule becomes time consuming... and also I noticed JY writes down the contrapositives for some rules and not for others...

Any clarification is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Oh how I wonder if there is a "fitness" criteria prior to first day of classes...it's not even thanksgiving and I can't stop eat...hey now neither is it winter... What a drag this is right now ughhhhhhh

On what kinds of questions are those invalid existential conclusions relevant?

Like, A-->B some C

And we can't conclude A some C.

Are these in must be false questions? Has anyone come across a question that deals with this kind of bad conclusion?

done the 7sage prep course, and read the powerscore bible for LR, and I drill like it's nobody's business; would like for someone to recommend a book that will help me out with understanding it a little bit better. being that we have 2 LR sections (possibly 3 depending on exp section) I want/need to improve. Flaw seems to be my biggest issue. any recommendations?

Okay so i was watching the video where JY tells us how to distinguish between Valid and Invalid argument forms and at the end he gave us a little trick to remember how to distinguish between the two and that was that:

In the valid forms, the existential statements appear first and then the universal statements.

So an example is

A some-> B-> C

-------------------

A some ->C

And in the invalid forms the universal statements appear first and then the existential statements.

So an example of this would be:

A --> B some-> C

---------------------------

A some->C

BUT, the problem is that this doesnt hold true for VALID forms 6-8 as they start with universal statements rather than existential statements. So can someone tell me a trick to remember those three.

Thanks!

So I took the September LSAT at Pace University in NYC last weekend. During the test, there was incredibly loud pipe construction above us banging throughout the test, along with an occasional loud hissing sound that lasted for around 10 seconds coming from a mysterious part of the room. It got so loud that during the middle of the test right after we had finished one of our sections, the proctor told us that the LSAC was aware of these issues, and that we could cancel if we wanted to. None of us did.

Although I actually feel pretty good about this test (I was strangely able to concentrate pretty well for some reason), would there be any benefit to me to report the construction issues to LSAC given that I definitely don't want to cancel? Thanks!

For instance, a -> (b -> c) simplifies to a + -b -> -c. What about (-a -> b) -> c. How can I simplify it?

Every time after a timed section i blind review and for at least 3 or 4 they were such stupid mistakes or i didnt read carefully or all the answers. I think its because i feel like im rushed and looking over with a relaxed state of mind changes everything. anyways what do you guys think will help me?

Hey y'all,

So unfortunately I cancelled my score from Saturday's test. I took the test at Pace NY and there was construction being done on the roof of the building and as I'm sure you can all imagine, the incessant banging of pipes and jackhammering of concrete didn't make for an efficient test site and it certainly didn't complement the Reading Comp section very well.

The good news is that I took the test, cancelling my score after, and I really believe I was well prepared, thanks to the months of studying aided by 7sage. I do think, however, I can better my timing, I ultimately cancelled the score because I couldn't risk the possibility that the distractions screwed me up on things I know I could otherwise have been positive about.

BUT, now that I have time to do some more prep, I want to look at bettering my timing. When I time myself and take pts on my own, I finish sections in 33 minutes or so, but both times I took the actual test (last October and Saturday) I fell apart. Of course distractions were at an all time high on Saturday because of the crazy amount of noise from construction but now that I am taking the test in December I'd like to better prepare getting my timing down to a science. I'm thinking maybe I should start taking tests with other people.

Does anyone know of any programs or group that facilitate group tests? If not, would anyone in the NYC area be interested in maybe putting a group together this way we can take the exam under more realistic conditions?

P.s. if anyone else was at the Pace location and feels the construction was an overwhelming distraction, LSAC is being very accommodating and investigating all the reports and will either offer a make up or reimbursement. Be sure to get your complaints in to them if you need to!

Even though I had written close to 39 prep tests, I did feel much more nervous on the actual LSAT. And I tried to keep as calm as I could by relaxing and doing fun things on the day before but I realized it's hard not to be nervous. For people like me, who have wanted to become a lawyer since they were 10, the LSAT pretty much determines whether you make it or not. You try to forget it but it's really something you can't get rid of completely. That being said, I didn't lose my head, and kept as calm as I could I be. I think my adrenaline rush helped me go faster and I finished the reading comp and first logical reasoning with 5 minutes to spare. And I also finished the logic games and second logical reasoning without feelings of impending doom.

Overall feelings:

The reading comprehension: the first passage was easy, second was by far the most difficult and the other two were okay.

Logical Reasoning: the first was pretty easy, the second was tough, many questions I had to really think about and make an educated guess.

Logic games: not as easy as I expected, time consuming, had to do a lot of brute forcing, and last game I ran out of time so guessed last 2-3 questions.

All in all, it wasn't terrible, no surprises, and I felt it went okay. I wasn't coming out of the exam crying, or wanting to cancel it. BUT I can't tell you for the life of me of what my predicted score could be. I just have no idea. Is this normal ?! And do people who scored in the 160's and 170's

ever feel this way after their exam. ( I was scoring high 160s and even a 170 the day before the exam).