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The question is described here. It is PT 56 Section 2 Question 23. I was stuck between D and E and eventually chose D. I have read that it is incorrect because it is an illegal reversal, I just do not understand how.

I basically wrote it out like /Intervention -> Extinct and contraposed that as /Extinct -> Intervention which led me to answer choice D. What did I do wrong?

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Last comment thursday, dec 29 2022

Can't finish on time

Hi everyone,

This is in reference to LG but applicable for all sections, does anyone have tips for finishing on time more regularly? My blind review prep test scores are pretty good but without fail I leave a few questions blank (often 5 or 6 for LG) when I do practice tests.

TIA!

Hello all, I barely registered for the February lsat yesterday and didn't know that accommodation requests were also due yesterday. Unfortunately, I did not sign up for the accommodation request in time and this will severely jeopardize my performance level on test day. I decided to register for the April LSAT that way I will have proper accommodation. Would I be able to submit my application prior to taking the April LSAT? Or do you think I should just try the February LSAT, send the score in, submit application, and then take the April LSAT? For reference, Im applying to SOCAL schools such as UCI, U of SD, Cal Western, Chapman, Loyola, Western State, Southwestern, and others. I know these schools do accept the April LSAT but Im just worried that this can seriously jeopardize my chances. Any advice?

Hello 7sage, it's been a while, good to see the forum is still bustling with activity and people putting in hard work in pursuit of their LSAT dreams!

It's October 2015, I was 6 months out from convocation, and I knew I had to get started. I thought it would be a good idea, in November, to enrol for the February 2016 sitting. After I signed up, I set out to find the right study materials. I asked a friend who'd just started their first year at Queens, and he recommended 7sage! So, it's November 2015 and I'm signed up for the February 2016 LSAT without a clue what I was doing. DO NOT DO THIS, wow, time and time again people on the forum say this and I wish I had listened, do NOT sign up until you are ready. In hindsight this was a ridiculous amount of pressure to put on myself, I hadn't even finished the curriculum when people sat the Feb '16 test...

A little bit of context, I had moved into my Aunt & Uncle's house with my two cousins in high school, because I knew it was a good environment for learning. Both of my cousins are extremely hard working, excelling academically and athletically. This provided the structure I lacked in University, where I finished with a 2.9 GPA. I found full time work in the construction industry, 7am-3:30pm, roughly 20km from my home, it was physical labour, for a good hourly. When the weather was good, I would cycle to and from work. I studied after work and on weekends, either after a long bus journey or bike ride. It is important to note that I was in a long-distance relationship at the time, so I was often travelling to or hosting my partner on weekends.

Anyhow, first things first, right? I learned about arguments and grammar. My English and Philosophy background helped, but it was eye opening, I was surprised by how much I learned from these sections. Then, it was time for my diagnostic! I ploughed through it, LG -13, LR1 -8, LR2 -11, RC -8, for a150/159 BR after to figuring out the LG section and changing some correct answers for LR and RC.

Because of my GPA, I knew I needed a good score, my initial aim was 90-94th percentile.

One thing I did not do at first was purchase any prep tests... I didn't think I would need them, and I had zero disposable income after paying for the 7sage Ultimate+, the LSAT administration, and maintaining my romantic relationship. I made cue cards as I worked through the syllabus, reviewing them every morning on the bus.

Once I hit the problem sets I spent SO MUCH TIME taking screen shots, rebuilding the worksheets into word documents, and printing them out. I got this down to a science, but still, it was a ridiculous endeavour that I did throughout the entire curriculum; doing it was mentally exhausting.

As I worked through the sets, there were times I blind reviewed really well, but never like any of @"Accounts Playable"'s posts... I highly recommend using hi posts as the blueprint for your BR.

There were times I wanted to quit, I relied heavily on my partner, my family, and this forum to keep me going while battling through the urge to pack it in after a long day of work and the 40km of cycling or the 2 1/2 hours of public transit. That being said, I did fall off... I had a massive addiction to Clash of Clans and Boom Beach, there were a couple weeks where I didn't study at all after work. My diet also took a nose dive, safe to say this was my all-time low. I'm pretty sure this happened from mid December through the beginning of January.

I essentially paid for the test again to push my sitting back to June 2016. But the universe delivered a gift when I dropped my iPhone in a heroic toilet that killed the phone and my CoC and Boom Beach addictions with it! That might be the greatest thing outside of my control that happened during my journey.

My grind through the core curriculum was completed April 5th, 2016. It was a great milestone, I remember my partner tearing up with joy, it was a long process, watching that green circle fill ever so slowly.

After that point I ordered every PT ever published, and patiently awaited the begging on my final phase of prep.

It is important to note that by late April/early May I started doing the guided meditations, cut alcohol out completely (aside from a sherry on my late Nana's birthday, and a shot at my Uncle's wedding), was doing approximately 90mins of cardio 5 days a week, and followed the "Dolce Diet" as best I could.

I developed what routines that I could, did what worked for me, and focused on not stressing about the things I couldn't do. I would often visualize test day, I was talking to people about the LSAT at every possible opportunity, and I kept telling myself and everyone who would listen that I was confident I would score in the 170s, confident in my preparation, and I would succeed.

Part of my routine was a list of positive affirmations, I would say theses to myself every day after my morning meditation. I also discovered "bulletproof coffee" and after the fall/winter where I consumed like 5-8 double doubles a day... cutting down to 32oz of bulletproof coffee was a huge change, but I think it paid dividends for my sleep quality and energy levels.

My first prep test was actually PT 35, not realizing I had "seen" the questions before until afterwards when I realized the syllabus called for 36. I wound up completing 12 PTs before my sitting in June, including the diagnostic. I also watched every webinar that I could find time for, though I must admit, I rarely watched them work through the questions at the end. I took what I needed from the explanations, updated my cue cards, and focused applying those principles during my PTs and especially during my BR.

I did not have the luxury of writing at 1pm during the week, so I tried to do that on the weekends as best I could. That being said, it did not always work out. The only thing I really could control was how strict I was while taking the PT, I added an extra section from the curriculum PTs, and dropped my pencil when the proctor said so.. There was no way I was going to be tagged for a violation during my sitting.

I was diagnosed with ADHD in 2014, and didn't apply for any accommodations because I was told by my learning strategist that the test would involve "draconian measures" to prevent cheating, and I wouldn't be given accommodations because I didn't have them for exams during my undergrad. So it was 5x35mins for me, to be honest I never wrote a single timed writing sample before my sitting, but I reviewed JY's pointers and made sure to review it close to June 6th. I made sure to force myself to BR every PT as best I could, by the end of the whole process, I think I had filled out 2 whole notebooks between the curriculum and the PTs. Sometimes it would take me a week to complete a review, sometimes less.

3 weeks out from my test, my partner decided to end our relationship, she had her reasons, but the next 3 weeks were a blur. I know that I ate the same breakfast, drank the same amount of coffee, would do the 24 min guided meditation before and after work, and was riding my bike like a madman to and from work. I probably averaged 6.5 hours of sleep a night, with my alarm going off at 4:15-4:30, I tried to be in bed between 9-10pm every night.

I did score a 173 on PT 65, the week before my test... so I felt quite confident and encouraged, especially after briefly participating in the June pep rally. Hearing JY and Nicole's advice and feeling the love from everyone in that webinar was amazing.

When I wrote PTs on the weekend, I recorded the time and amount of my water and food intake, along with my bathroom breaks. There was only one PT where I had to run to my bathroom toward the end of S3.

For my last three Weekend PTs, I tried emulating my bike ride to the testing centre, I ate the same meals, I wore the same clothing I planned to wear on test day. I became obsessed with these details.

The day of, I did everything the same as I'd done on my dry run on Saturday the 4th. I woke up, same coffee, breakfast, I warmed up, I biked the 14km to the campus; after completing my undergrad there, I had no issues accessing the room. After arriving I stretched, meditate, I sauna'd a bit in order to ensure any excess water was gone, that wasn't part of the routine but it helped, showered, ate my same meal, sat down and wrote out my game plan for each section, writing out how many minutes I wanted to allot to each RC passage, I think it was a 7,7,9,10, listened to my Eminem pump up playlist, and walked over to the testing area. The game planning wasn't part of my routine either, and in hindsight, I should have warmed up then on top of the game planning, since it had been hours after warming up at home when I finally started by test around 130pm.

After arriving in the registration area, I was relaxed, sat off in a corner by myself, ignoring everyone, waiting for the proctors to take us over the the testing area. I didn't say a word to a single person other than a proctor.

Once I opened that booklet, I went into auto pilot, except S3... It was the second LG section, after opening with LG, I knew that it could be the experimental section AND I SLOWED DOWN once the first two games were ridiculously easy sequencing games... I also knew the first section had rules very similarly worded to the game from PT 76 that I'd warmed up with that morning. THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, DO NOT DO THIS!! I didn't even finish the section in time, guessing the final 3 questions. That is awful, considering I knew I had to go -0 on LG in order to score 170+...

I was extremely lucky to walk away with a 169 (LG -1, LR -3, RC -6, LR -2), if my gamble on that experimental section had gone badly, I could be sitting here telling you about how I'm sitting down again for a re-write, but, I'm not. I had scored bang on my average, despite the break up, despite the 6 years of my life where I was a brutal student and at times never thought I'd pursue academics or even finish the degree. I had a construction job to fall back on, I had grown complacent, at one point using ADHD meds without any of the proper studying habits in place to make proper use of them... but persistence paid off, I didn't give up, and 7sage never gave up on me.

My aim for writing the LSAT was to show law schools that I was capable of working that hard and achieving such a good score, I intend to argue that my ADHD diagnosis late into my undergrad was a big turning point for me, and turning that around couldn't have happened over night, but it has, and I am more than ready to pursue my dream of a legal career.

Thanks to you, 7sage, I will do that with confidence.

Sorry for the length!

Looking back, I would have put way more work into RC, and worked on trusting my gut more... I had changed an answer in the first LR section from the correct one to an incorrect one, and with that my 170 became a 169! Those short cuts with the webinars and BR early on might have made the difference, but in the long run, I never reached @"Nicole Hopkins"'s benchmark of 15 PTs for a 170+... maybe with 4 or 5 more... who knows.

Cheers everyone, thanks for reading, best of luck moving forward! I will lurk around here for a bit but, I'm training for my first sprint distance triathlon in 6 weeks and might be busy sleeping more than ever before!

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Last comment wednesday, dec 21 2022

Preparing for Jan LSAT

So I registered for the Jan LSAT, expecting to get more info on exactly how the test was administered, what devices are compatible, what I need to bring etc. So can someone explain the dynamics of how you actually take the exam? I have an new 2021 Ipad with keyboard and want to make sure that’s compatible with taking the test.

Are there restrictions on where I can take the test? I dont have a place to take it at home so I’m looking into the best places for taking it that also satisfy all LSAC requirements (aka renting private study room in Library).

What am I allowed to bring with me? Ive been doing all my PTs with a blank piece of paper to write notes or draw diagrams but if im taking it online am I allowed to do that?

LSS: how do I make sure I’m fully prepared for the exam and dont have anything surprise me on exam day. Any suggestions/rules are appreciated!

Lots of words below outlining my issues with the section. If you're also struggling with RC and/or have come up with novel solutions, please consider sharing ideas.

Reading comprehension is consistently my lowest performing section, I've got a pretty static -4 to -0 band on LR and LG, but reading is something that I'm worried I'm not effectively getting better at just from reading more passages.

Current Method:

I find that writing things down sucks up time and misdirects effort away from holistic understanding, because if I try to write a one sentence summary or comment on the structure I'll be focusing on that PARAGRAPH at the detriment of understanding the author's point as a whole. Currently, I don't use any paper in my RC strategy. This is probably a big area I need to consider. I'm entirely mentally reading for detail, and thinking about how things relate to each other as I go, keeping it in mental storage.

Concerns:

-Topics are too foreign/difficult/boring. I don't care about how 18th century English medieval common law courts carried out sentences pertaining to women's rights and how research methodology pertains to whatever. This makes it difficult for me to even recognize important details, let alone remember them. I also straight up don't know anything about art history or shit like that. I've noticed a significant boost in performance when it comes to science/natural history, things that I'm interested in, or technology/economics/finance, things that I've studied. Prior knowledge clearly helps but I don't see how I can get enough of a broad base of knowledge for the entire LSAT.

which leads to

-Struggling with inferences. Things that aren't explicitly stated are inherently fuzzy, and then I'm legit coin-flipping for those 5* Q's. I can't generate a mastery of the detail in these passage inside of 4 minutes. Current approach is to try and isolate relevant sentences from the passage, but then you inevitably miss things.

-General shitty reading ability? Like, I didn't have to write essays in college, so getting hit with these academic paper writing styles is tough.

Current stats:

170 Avg, 175 peak timed over 5 most recent PT's taken, up from roughly ~160 2 months prior. Need to get to 175 as a floor. RC consistently holding me below 175.

Thanks for any insights guys, let's make this a discussion. Feel free to dm me or call me a poopee head, I just need ideas for how to approach prepping this gd section.

I chose B with certainty in my blind review, but found out that D was the correct answer.

Is the answer choice B not the correct answer because it does not mention the "certain size" of political interest group?

Also, if D is the correct answer, does it mean that "as wide a membership as possible" is supported by what the passage says "exceeds a certain size"?

Thank you in advance!

Is A the right answer because it's refuting the claim that polls influence voter decisions and hence the need for them to be banned one week prior to the election? I can see why it's A from process of elimination, but it didn't seem too appealing as an answer choice. #help

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Last comment monday, dec 19 2022

Fluctuations in LR

I tend to fluctuate in the LR section. I want to improve it to the point where I get a -3 or -4 consistently. Now the problem is when I get a practice test that has two LR sections, I tend to do great in one of them and okay in the other. I have checked the difficulty levels and they both tend to be similar. Any advice on what I should do to achieve my goal? Should I be doing more drills to see where my problem is?

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Last comment monday, dec 19 2022

MSS Continuance

So, I don't know about everyone else, but MSS just kept getting more and more difficult, and I feel like I have so much more to practice before I get it down.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to practically continue studying MSS? I want to be able to deal with the difficult questions a little more.

Much appreciated!

Hello,

Throughout my LSAT journey, LR continues to be my weakest point. I've started to do drills lately to significantly improve my understanding. However, on the timed score I've been averaging -12-14 but on the BR score, the average is between -2-5/section. Some issues I've started to notice are, time, not reading properly on timed sections, misinterpreting the AC's, or just kind of freeze & freak out. As soon as I BR, I'm able to see my errors and choose the correct AC. I do take anywhere between 2-4 hours to complete it. I understand that it's not an ideal time-frame, my goal is to improve on my time strategy. But, can anyone offer any advice or help for the huge discrepancy between my timed and BR score? Or should I just keep trying to improve my foundational knowledge and time?

Hello everyone I just finished the CC and am still having difficulty with LR section under timed conditions. I have a pretty large discrepancy between my score under timed conditions and untimed (150’s Timed to 170’s untimed).

I just got the loophole because I need to improve my LR performance but I’m unsure about it’s effectiveness and whether it’s worth going through it if I already completed the CC.

My question to you is for those who have done both the CC and Loophole or just Loophole what do you guys suggest is the best way to approach the book. Should I even bother? If you did the CC first do you find it more confusing now to go through the book? What are the best benefits of the book?

Anything will be appreciated!

I'm not being fully serious with my title, but I'm stumped. I have been studying inconsistently for about a year and a half. I've completed about 3/4th of the CC-- I should have come up the basic learning curve by now of simple identification of premise and conclusion. But in drilling/BR/wrong answer journal process, I've realized I am STILL misidentifying premise and conclusion. I'm feeling super discouraged. How am I still struggling with this?! I think what happened is I thought I understood the concept, went awhile unknowingly reinforcing bad habits, and now I'm in a bit of a rut. What now?! 😭

I don't understand why this answer is correct. I chose (B), but the correct answer is (E). Please help me! I can't find an explanation online.

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Did anyone attend Powerscore's webinar last night? They gave specific topics to study for RC, which blew my mind. How accurate are they on that? For example, they said to have a general idea who Ansel Adams is. I asked how they know this stuff in the chat and was told by other attendees not to ask questions lol.

I'm assuming this isn't new news to a lot of people, but it was to me, that LSAC is introducing a slightly new wording to LG. "Which of the following could be true, but is not necessarily true." Recent test takers in attendance confirmed they saw it on their tests. Which isn't that crazy or difficult, but I like having a heads up so I won't be caught off guard if I see it in January.

It seems like the most highly anticipated info they shared was which tests could be reused. They saved that slide for last and seemed like a lot of build up, but I don't get it. If it's an undisclosed test anyway, how is that useful or groundbreaking info? And LSAC keeps track of which tests each individual has seen, so it's fully guaranteed you won't get a duplicate.

Would love to hear anyone's thoughts who attended!

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Last comment thursday, dec 08 2022

grammar / linguistics

In the webinar below (which is awesome btw), there is a discussion around the 49 minute mark that talks about how grammar and language is what adds incremental difficulty to very hard LR questions, not logic. That definitely resonated with me. Most of the questions that take me a long time are because the sentences are convoluted and take a long time to parse out or there is some conditional logic that is hard to figure out.

I'm really starting to notice that sentence structure and word usage are at the heart of conditional logic, especially for the more complicated questions where you can't use the simple group translations in a mechanistic way, and you have to understand language in a deeper way (ie certain words in a certain indicator group are not being used as a logical indicator in that sentence and should be ignored).

Has anyone else worked to improve on this and have any suggestions on resources? I'm not sure exactly what the right book is... it's sort of at the intersection of grammar and linguistics. I literally typed that into the amazon store and bought a book called Advanced English Grammar: A Linguistic Approach but if anyone has a more intelligent recommendation on how to go about it I'm all ears :)

https://classic.7sage.com/webinar/post-core-curriculum-study-strategies/

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