Hi all, I usually wouldn't post on here for advice but I've had no luck talking with my school advisers, and I come from a family of farmers so they don't really know how to help me either.

Essentially, I currently have two choices/paths to take for graduation and attendance to law school, and I would like to hear some of y'alls input if possible. Many of you seem to be much more knowledgeable about the law school game than I am. Here's my situation:

I'm currently in my senior year of undergrad, studying a double major in Finance and Accounting. I currently maintain a 3.9 GPA (this becomes relevant later), and I have two choices for graduation, Spring 2018 or Fall 2017. Both have different advantages/shortcomings.

Spring: If I graduate in the Spring, I will be able to participate in a few programs at my school that I believe would improve my resume. First, I could write an 'Honors Thesis' and graduate with an honors degree. This would modify only one of my bachelors degrees. (i.e., I would have an Honors Finance degree and a regular Accounting degree, or vice versa). If I don't write the thesis, I will still complete an 'Honors Certificate'. In addition to this, I've also been given the opportunity to participate in a student lead investment fund at my school. This program is fairly competitive, and only 25-30 people are chosen each year to participate. As far as I am aware, the program is fairly prestigious as it is one of the largest student ran investment funds in the nation. The downside to this, is that the professor who runs the investment fund program is notorious for being a strict grader, and I know many very smart people who've had their GPA take a significant dip because of this program. I've calculated it out, and if I take the class I'll probably drop to a 3.85-3.87 GPA if I take this course (the professor basically does not award any As).

Fall: If I graduate fall semester, I will not be able to write a thesis or participate in the investment fund program. This will undoubtedly give me more time to study for the LSAT, as all of my fellow students say both programs require significant time investments. In addition to this, if I graduate a semester early I have the opportunity to apply for some scholarships to study abroad. I've studied Mandarin Chinese as a second language, and I hope to one day work in niche Corporate/Tax Law involving the U.S. and China. I've spoken to the directors of these scholarship opportunities, and I believe I have a good shot of being accepted into the program. If accepted, I would be able to spend about 7/8 months in China intensively studying the language. From my current level (HSK 5+), I believe I would be able to achieve my goal of being professionally/business proficient in the language at the end of this time period.

I'm really unsure about which path I ought to take, and I need to make a decision soon. If any of you have insight about how law school perceive these different opportunities, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'd like some advice for the inconsistent performance I'm seeing in my timed logic games sections. I can sometimes finish the entire section with a few minutes left over and get almost all the answers right, but other times, I'm very short on time, and can quite a few more wrong. Any insight into this discrepancy and how I can fix this?

PT9.S2.Q17 - Certain instruments

Since there is no video explanation for this question, I would appreciate it if someone could confirm my understanding below.

It took me so much time to figure out what the second sentence is saying :(

Second sentence

energy used to sterilize of a set of nylon instruments: SN

energy used to manufacture of a set of nylon instruments: MN

50 x SN = 3.4 x MN

SN = (3.4/50)MN

SN = 0.068 x MN

energy used to sterilize of a set of stainless steel instruments: SS

energy used to manufacture of a set of stainless steel instruments: MS

50 x SS = 2.1 x MS

SS = (2.1/50)MS

SS = 0.042 x MS

Answer choice

(B) is the correct answer (MBF) because SN has to be less than MN. SN = 0.068MN

(A), (C) - (E) could all be true.

I'd say I'm pretty darn familiar with the 19 common types of flaws. However, I feel like I've never seen a circular reasoning flaw actually on a PT. Sometimes I second guess myself on a tricky flaw question when it's in the AC's. Anyway, would love it if anyone has come across one of these flaws in their recent PT's?

I'm into the high 60's series, so hopefully I haven't been oblivious to them all this time. But I do think they are a rarer flaw.

So I finally got through the BR and got my results:

Actual: 148

BR: 158

I'm definitely encouraged by the BR. I have come quite far from where I was 8 months ago (sub-150) when I was attempting to fast-forward through everything. I haven't gone through the full proof method yet which hurt my LG score but I only missed one LG question on the BR so I know I can do better. I was disappointing with my RC (50%) because I have gotten as high as 70% before and I noticed during my BR that I made some really dumb mistakes. And LR...did a lot better! Both sections under time conditions were my best though I have a lot of improvements I can make.

The floor I must hit is a 161 so knowledge wise I'm very close to where I need to be (not that it is my ultimate goal) and I definitely have room to grow. I want to write in September so I definitely feel like I can do this! I have a lot of speed issues but I feel like the more PT's I get under my belt, the better I will perform (in addition to more studying lol).

I know it ain't a 170+ score but I feel like I'm heading in the right direction for the first time!

I am trying to keep a positive hardworking attitude towards the LSAT, but this has been increasingly more difficult when my recent 4 PT scores after the CC slowly dropped to horrific all time lows.

Before starting the CC, my initial practice test was a 141 (ouch). I took the CC very seriously. I paused every video to do the question before hand, never skipped anything, and I have been working even harder during the current PT phase.

My scores for the PTs 36, 37, 38 and 39 are: 157, 153, 157, 150; BR: 167, 162, 161, TBD.

36: LR -11, LR -9, RC - 7, LG -5.

37: LR -11, LR -6, RC -12, LG -8.

38: LR - 7, LR -6, RC -12, LG -5.

39: LR -15, LR -8, RC -12, LG -6.

For my blind review, I go over every single question again, on a freshly printed PT and I look at the analytics thereafter. I dive deep into the questions myself first, then watch the videos for those questions that 1) I chose the wrong AC twice, 2) I chose the right AC initially and changed to an incorrect AC in BR and 3) the questions I successfully changed to the right AC.

For the last remaining questions (right both times), I will check to see if I was at all swayed by any of the other answer choices. i.e. did not eliminate an AC, or I possibly circled and erased an incorrect one. Ultimately, I am trying my best to not only learn why I chose the incorrect AC, but also why I did not choose the correct AC. I then strive to couple this mentality with solidifying the correct thinking I made when I picked the right AC twice.

I really spelled out exactly how I blind review so I could possibly get feedback from the community if I am maybe doing something wrong. It is a bit disheartening to see these scores after the hundreds of hours I have spent studying. Nevertheless, I am determined to do well and will not let this stop me.

Any suggestions on how I can improve my BR mechanism? What more could I add into this process?

Thank you all and sorry about the long post.

Anyone else experience a RC drop after the CC? My first diagnostic I took back in November had me at missing 7 questions in the RC. I've consistently scored missing 5-7 on each RC for entirety of my LSAT studying. Honestly, I haven't really bothered to beef up my RC score because I was doing okay without studying for it, and so I focused on the LR and LG. Usually the incorrect questions are from the last passage when I'm feeling a little rushed. SO I decided to go over the 7Sage CC for the RC to help me eliminate those 5-7 wrong RC questions. Now, after doing the 7Sage CC for the RC my score has COMPLETELY dropped. Like, -14 for RC instead of the usual 5-7 wrong. Anyone else experience this, and how did you undo the damage?

Hi Everyone,

With the looming June test, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss test day practices and habits. Whether you've already been in the trenches or have yet to, I'd like to get a sense of what works or has worked for people as they get themselves ready for the day and take the test. I'm sure I'll have enough things to worry about on that (fateful) day so getting a good plan in place now will surely alleviate some of that pressure. I know that no matter how much we plan, things always go awry. So, this can hopefully help people get a more practical understanding of what to expect so as to enable better preparation. While I'm planning for the September test at 8:30am, please feel free to share your experiences taking the June test at 12:30pm as well.

For one thing, I'm interested in planning out my morning. How early do you plan to wake up? How early do you plan to get to the test site? At what point do you warm-up/ review questions, right before the start of the test (in the testing center) or well in advance (before leaving your home)? What about the more trivial things that you ordinarily don't think of until you're hit with it, like how late you're allowed to use the bathroom before having to be seated to begin taking the test, etc, etc.

Dear All,

I would like to know if someone can describe to me how they Blind Review and/or what are the steps they take when going over an LSAT Preptest. I just want to make sure that I am doing it correctly. Many Thanks!

I've been really struggling with LR timing. I watched the webinar here (https://classic.7sage.com/webinar/timing-and-levels-of-certainty/), in which they suggested not spending more than 3 minutes or so on a question because there's a better chance you'll just get it wrong. But other people have suggested 'giving the question the time it needs,' not being afraid to invest 3 minutes into a question rather than rushing and getting it wrong.

Then, there's the '10 in 10' or '15 in 15' idea where you push to finish questions in a given amount of time.

I've only been getting through 17-20 questions per LR, getting 2-3 of those wrong, plus the ones I don't get to for a total of 6-9 questions wrong per LR for the past few months with no change. I'd really appreciate any thoughts people have on this and how to manage the ideas of investing time required and skipping when appropriate.

I asked about what types of questions rely on the understanding of sufficient and necessary conditions the other day. I got a lot of really good answers. The issue I am having, and have continued to have throughout my studies, is that they don't stand out to me. I spent a lot of time learning the indicators, making flash cards to remember how to employ them and I have it down by heart. When I'm in the LR section however, I am so hyper sensitive to these words I pick them all out. I have yet to find a situation where I have seen a question, realized it is dependent on my understanding of suff/nec and applied my knowledge to it. Is there a method to identifying when mapping X -> Y on a question? What am I missing?

In LG it is extremely clear and I have no issues.

Was this addressed yesterday? If so, I missed it!

"Starting with the September 2017 LSAT, there will no longer be any limitations on the number of times a test taker can take the LSAT in a two-year period. LSAC has revised this policy as part of its planning for additional administrations of the LSAT. We will provide more information about the LSAT schedule in the coming weeks."

The test is going to be offered more than 4x a year (2nd & 3rd sentences)? That'll be awesome!

Hi there!

So I just came back to 7Sage to start studying for the LSAT again, and I've noticed a whole bunch has changed! I see now that many drills and problem sets are entirely printable. I also see PDF versions of PT 1-35 and 36 and onward. So I wanted to confirm, does this mean that I no longer have to buy preptests separately anymore? (I'm with Ultimate+)

Back this fall when I started this was the impression I had... but it seems that things have changed now and it's almost too good to be true! If 7Sage has all the PTs in the curriculum and I just need to print it all off, that's perfect! Just wanted someone's confirmation.... thank you so much!

Hi, I've been trying to print the Prep Test, but it keeps printing were some pages are missing. Is anyone else having that issue and know how to resolve it?

Hey Everyone,

So far we have done a regular passage and an A-B passage. This time we will be going over a science passage. We will be applying the same strategy that we learned in the previous two sessions. The key is to keep practicing with these strategies so we can get better. This time we will be doing PT 44, Section 1, Passage 3.

I would recommend not doing the passage before coming to the meeting so we can work through this together and you can really practice with the right strategy. All you are required to have for the meeting is the passage and questions in front of you in some form.

If you have never attended one of these sessions please do not worry that you will not know what's going on. I will review the strategies before starting the passage and you will catch on.

To join the meeting all you have to do is click the link below at the specified date and time.

I'll see you all there! : )

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Silly question, but I'm out of #2 pencils and wanted to know if any of y'all have raving recommendations for a particular brand before I re-stock for the June test. I'm a lefty, so any that are anti-smudge would be especially useful!

What strategies work best for you? How many passages do you attempt in practice tests? What have you found helps in increasing your score?

Thank you so much in advance!

Hello All,

I have definitely improved in mapping out my LG games and making inferences and other actions involved in tackling LG games. But when I take practice tests, I seem to be lost at the outset (maybe feeling pressured because of time) and take alot of time to determine what strategy to employ (linear, in/out,grouping etc...) When I come back to the question to blind review it after watching the help videos, the question becomes way more easy than when I try to tackle it under timed conditions.

Is there any fast way or are there any immediate rules to determine which strategy is best to use to tackle a game?

Got nowhere to go. Need advice. I'm preparing for the Sept/ Dec 2017 test while working a demanding full time position at a law firm. This has put a significant strain on me to the point that I'm doing poorly in both despite all the incredible time and effort I've expended. I'm doing so poorly that I'm at risk of losing my job. I was told I have a month to see if things improve otherwise I'd be let go. I'm certain that my studying is the reason my performance has significantly declined. I honestly don't want to continue working knowing how important the test is but the only thing keeping me is the fact that I know I won't be able to get a reference for when it comes time to find a summer internship during law school. Most probably I'd be better off not listing this position, which now amounts to about a year and six months worth of experience, on my resume at all. If I were to stay and work, I know I could salvage myself so that I can make up for the drop in performance since I began studying. I just don't know if that's worth getting a low test score. I've already put off applying to law school for a while now and given what I've been through, which I don't want to get into, I couldn't wait another cycle even if I wanted to. I can see definite improvement with my score in the coming 4 months but it will really demand my fullest attention. Is it worth sacrificing my position now and putting myself at a significant disadvantage in finding another job so that I can devote myself to the test?

What do you guys think of this?

[Admin Edit] LSAC's tweet and LSAC's announcement:

https://twitter.com/Official_LSAT/status/864501182202556416

http://www.lsac.org/jd/announcements-and-news

"Starting with the September 2017 LSAT, there will no longer be any limitations on the number of times a test taker can take the LSAT in a two-year period. LSAC has revised this policy as part of its planning for additional administrations of the LSAT. We will provide more information about the LSAT schedule in the coming weeks."

Hi Everyone! I just took my first PT after finishing the curriculum and I'm really disappointed. I had gotten a 152 on my diagnostic and I just got a 153 on my first PT. I ran out of time and I feel like I'm overthinking too much which is making me take too long on the test. Does anyone have any recommendations of what I can do? I'm going to BR it in a little bit to see if I will change answers and complete the questions I didn't have time for. I can't figure out when I should skip a question and I keep leaving a bunch until they end. Any advice would be great. I am taking the June LSAT and I'm really worried. In general, I feel like I have learned a lot and I understand, but I think the anxiety of taking the test makes me really unfocused.

Hello all my fellow 7sagers! I have a simple question. Is there anyway that I could purchase PT's and print them from the kindle edition? Or will I be forced to buy physical copies?

Thanks

-M

I am stuck on some of the MSS questions, Weaken, and the difference with how to tell MSS and Strengthen apart especially when C/C Strengthen is in play.

For example, PT 16, S2, Q21 was on a webinar with Nicole and presented as a C/C Strengthen question. The stem says what I would take as a MSS question though, stating "Which one of the following, if true, most strongly supports the conclusion drawn by the entomologists?

Nicole suggested looking for the one answer that actually doesn't strengthen the entomologists conclusion at all, rather to choose the AC that doesn't support it, thus making the entomologists conclusion more sound.

Such as A causes B is the conclusion, so the answer needs to be either: B causes A, C causes both A and B, or No relationship.

Can someone please explain how and why I would know that I wasn't supposed to be choosing a supporting answer, but rather a conflicting one? Are there any tricks or key words for questions like these?

I thought that this was an example of a part to whole fallacy. The author concludes that the decrease in revenue is exaggerated because part (parts and service companies) of the industry have succeeded even after admitting that manufacturers' share of the industry's revenue has fallen. Does (B) address this flaw?

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/preptest-6-print-and-take-test/

Anyone receive accommodations for the June test?