Hey all, could anyone please help with finding grouping games wherein there are subcategories BUT we are not given which game piece belongs to which category and we are also not given the number of game pieces to be alloted to each group. For example - 3 groups - A, B and C, 7 game pieces, sub categories scientists and philosophers, atleast 2 scientists are there and maximum 3 people in group A, something of this sort.

I have been able to find grouping games with sub categories but the games do give which game piece falls in which category.

Similarly sequencing games with sub categories in which the game pieces are undefined with respect to their categories AND not all game pieces are to be sequenced, some are left out so there is a little subsidiary in out game going on as well.

Hi everyone,

I am feeling deflated after getting a score MUCH lower than my PTs. Throughout May, I was getting in the 170s with a high of 176 (about 8 tests in a row total) but then yesterday I got my score back and it was 166, which is the lowest score I've gotten since December :(

I did have some extenuating circumstances which may have affected things (or it may be me making excuses, I just don't know): the last week of May I came down with the flu and was out for the count for a week. When I came back (and still wasn't feeling great) I was PTing in the high 160s (168/169). I tried to chalk it up to being sick. But to make things worse, 9 days before my LSAT i ended up in the ER with a really horrible eye infection and spent a good two days in bed with my eyes closed. I took another PT once i regained my sight and I got a 168.

That being said, I took some time off work and took two practice tests right before the exam and both were 172 so I was feeling confident going in.

Suffice it to say that I feel pretty deflated right now. I know my health was an issue in the month leading up to the test but because I did do well on the two tests right before and because I felt fairly good physically the day of, I thought I would be okay. I signed up for September, but my confidence has really taken a hit. I was wondering if anybody else has had this happen and if you have any words of wisdom for moving forward.

My first take was June 2016. I got a 170, although I ended up guessing on 7 questions (timing) and got 4 of those correct. I had never scored above a 168 on my PTs (mostly in PTs 40-50). I thought I could improve on the 170, and decided to buckle down and study hard and then retake in June 2017. I didn't end up really studying hard until March/April, but felt I made some strong improvements, though I was still reliably testing in the high 160s, albeit on the most recent preptests, which seem a good deal more difficult than PTs 40-50.

I was tired of putting the test off, even though my PT scores had plateaued around 169, and decided to take the test anyway. I ended up getting a 169. This is especially frustrating because I let the pressure of timing get to me on LG and gave up 2 easy points. Also frustrating because my goals are to get into HYS or a Ruby, and with a 3.83 GPA I feel I need a score in the mid 170s. Further score improvement still seems achievable, but I'm wondering how I can improve from the high 160's to my target range, especially given I spent a year self-studying (not as devoted as I should've been), feel like I wasted a lot of PT's, and seem to really lose my shit when the clock is on.

Have any of you found yourselves in a similar situation? Any advice?

Hello, 7Sage!

So I just took the LSAT for the second time in June and got a 163. I took it the previous June and got a 159. I'm trying to stay positive about the improvement, but I was consistently scoring around 168 for the two weeks before my last test after 4 months of studying and working through the 7Sage basic curriculum - so I'm feeling like there is potential for improvement. BUT is it worth it to take the test for a third time? Does anyone know if the third attempt looks bad on an application, even if it is an improvement?

Thanks for the advice!!

So I re-wrote the LSAT and my second time I got 162 in June... and my first test I got 157 in Sept 2016. My top preptest through my prep was 163, so I'm quite sure that I did a good job considering my prep average. However, that only puts me at the bottom of the waitlist in terms of stats/etc. for my goal school. There is a small chance I could get in, but likely not, and that worries me. If I got a 165 or a 166 I believe I would be in a way better position.

So I'm considering re-writing again, but I'm not sure what I should do differently this time to improve. I've been using some 7sage and Powerscore bibles and doing things completely on my own for about a year. After the first time I wrote, I realized places I could improve and focused on them for the re-write but I'm not sure what to do to get better at this point. Should I get a tutor? Should I try a different program? Should I keep working through it and realizing my mistakes even further?

To be honest though.... I'm not sure I can mentally/emotionally take another re-write right now, but I also feel like I don't have momentum to re-start later on (in life/in a year). I took a lot of time off of everything else to focus on studying this time around, and I honestly felt kind of depressed about my prep for a lot of it. I had ups and downs, but I'm not sure if at this point I should just let it be and maybe go to a lower quality school with the score I have. I just felt like I couldn't get the motivation up to actually battle the prep and do things almost everyday... like I often just felt like 'what is the point.. i'm never going to get the score I need' (even though I know that the lack of studying manifested that probably... ugh)

I'm not sure if anyone else faces this type of dilemma.... the only people in my life who can give me advice have no idea how brutal the LSAT really is and the competitive nature of law school apps... they just tell me 'you're really smart! I'm sure you'll get in! Great job!' and while that's really nice it hasn't helped... it quite honestly has made me feel more defeated that I can't get the score they're sure I'm capable of...

Any advice?

Hello, all.

I have recently started my LSAT endeavor. I scored a 145 on my diagnostic back in mid-June and am decided on hitting the high 160's or 170's for the upcoming September exam. Until discovering 7Sage, I have been studying the Powerscore LG bible (just about finished with it) and while I have grasped a better understanding of some types of games, I find it a bit lacking and want to implement 7Sage.

This said, my questions are as follows:

Which 7Sage course would be the best? I am torn between the Starter and the Ult.+. The Starter is less expensive and only about 3 months (which is just about when the test is), yet, the Ult.+ provides a wider breadth of question types and difficulties from which to choose from -- needless to mention the complete set of LSAT exams. Essentially, is the Ult.+ worth the extra cost considering the limited amount of time I will have to go through it all?

Should I finish the Powerscore bibles (or at the very least, the LG bible which I'm just about finished with?) before moving onto 7Sage? Or, should I just dive right into 7Sage and put the bibles to the side?

Thank you all in advance!

How?

I have been going non-stop since May. I keep reading different suggestions about taking breaks and it helping your score but I just can not let myself do it. I don't want to look back come September and think I didn't do enough. I also really want to prove to myself that I am capable of achieving my goal. So any time I try to give myself a break I simply cannot let myself do it.

Does taking a break really help that much?

Should I apply as early as possible for early consideration to my top school (or all my target schools) before I have the LSAT score I want? Should I retake sooner (Sept) rather than later (Dec)? Can I mention in my application/addendum that I am retaking the LSAT? Will I be able to submit an updated score once I retake?

Or should I wait to retake and then apply?

I took the June LSAT and while I underperformed compared to my PTs I know for sure that I hit the numbers for some law schools I'll be applying to! So yeah I am one step closer to going to law school. :) I was scoring 160 consistently for 5 PTs between April and May (PT68-73) , but the week before the test I wrote three consecutive 157s on more recent PTs (still had a lot of 'aha moments), and scored 154 officially in June. My first LSAT, June '14 was a 150.

That said, my intent is to apply as early as possible this cycle. My target school is UC Hastings, which I don't quite have the numbers for yet (3.2/154). Perhaps my diversity statement, work experience and volunteer experience at Hastings will bridge the gap. However, I don't want to barely get in on hardship sympathy, I want to earn my place and so I plan to retake and improve my LSAT score significantly. Other schools I'm targeting, USF, Santa Clara and Golden Gate U., I have the necessary numbers, but not sufficient numbers for significant scholarship money. I'm confident, based on my study habits that I can score higher by September, but I would prefer to take December in order to improve by 10+ points.

I was thrown off by the question stem for A.1.23, in which it asks, "The Y's response would most seriously call into question which one of the following conclusions, if that conclusion were drawn on the basis of the evidence given by X?" Does this question stem appear in the recent PTs (70+)?

Fellow 7Sagers,

My current situation is the following: I score in the 171-177 range, and my most consistent scores lie between 172 and 174. The only reason I'm not scoring consistently in the high 170s is the RC section. I currently miss anywhere from 3 to 6 questions. My pacing strategy is good, so I'm not suffering from time issues. I usually do really well on 3 passages and miss a couple questions on one of the passages, which negatively impacts my raw score in the section. I'm interested in feedback from people who are currently scoring -0 - -2 on the RC section. Thank you.

Sup y'all,

So just got my score back (159), but I really wanted closer to a 165 so I def plan on retaking it in September. My weakest section was Reading Comp, and I was wondering if I could get some input on how I should go about studying these next few months. I was thinking about getting a power score bible for reading, and doing that 4 days a week,then doing 2 days a week LR and 1 day a week LG.

Open to suggestions though if anyone with more experience thinks my game plan is faulty.

Thanks in advance.

The negation of poor is not poor. The question assumes that you are either rich or else poor. What about the middle class?

Hey, I see that GPA is calculated out of 4.33 but on the "top law schools graph" (https://classic.7sage.com/top-law-school-admissions/) it seems like the scale is out of 4.00. Also - when schools report their admission stats are they out of 4.33 or 4.00 (e.g. Berkley reports the median as 3.79)? Could someone explain what I am missing here?

Hi,

I understand that answer choice D is correct, but I have been struggling for quite a bit on eliminating answer choice B. Can anyone explain why this is incorrect?

When I was doing this question, I noticed two errors in reasoning, notably: 1) concluding a "must" causation from what people believed, and 2) that evidence of "historians" were being used to lead to a conclusion of a matter of natural science (or physiology).

Answer choice B seems pretty much right on the spot with the second. B reads: it cites the evidence of historians of popular culture (that people had a widespread belief on yawning was common in many parts of the world in the past) in direct support of a claim (that someone else yawning must be the most irresistible cause) that lies outside their area of expertise.

I took it to be true that discerning the physiological causation mechanisms of yawning is indeed outside the area of history. What may have gone wrong? Thanks!

*Because there are too many September study groups in GTM and I don't want to mix them up, this group will now be known as the That's So Ravenclaw SG. I know a lot of us are fans of the Harry Potter series. In our LSAT prep (and our career aspirations in general) it would help to aspire to obtain the qualities of this house, such as cultivating a lifelong love of learning.

Regarding the "That's so Raven" part. Generally, it could also help to take some risks (calculated risks haha) and be bold like:

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I'm a bit bummed -- scored 2 points higher than where I was averaging my first few practice tests and 6 points under my average across my most recent 20 (in fact, the lowest of those by far). While it's a good score, after spending 3 months studying full time and $1000 on the course and study materials, a 2 point increase makes me nauseous to say the least. A big part of my score was RC, missed 7 right off the bat.

With my GPA, I don't have a shot at T-14 schools, so now I'm weighing my options. I could retake in September, but I feel like I've expended my study options. I used the Ultimate 7Sage pack, did most drills, completed the Core Curriculum, and did all of the PTs. I could study by retaking practice tests, but I worry it would not be very useful to do so, especially because I went over the questions I missed over and over again. I realize this score was a fluke compared to my trends, but I am not sure how I can keep my average up through September without new questions to work from.

Is it worth retaking? Part of me feels like it'll just be a waste of time and effort. Advice appreciated!

So I took the June LSAT and just received my score (164). I've been studying since December, and took the live online class through powerscore and finished the core curriculum here. In the month before the test, I hit up to 168 on practice tests, and had several other scores above 166. Two weeks before the test, I saw a dip in my scores and ended up averaging around a 164. So in terms of my performance directly preceding the test, my actual LSAT matched well my practice tests, but perhaps not my potential.

I have a gpa that is above the 75th percentile for every school, but I am aiming for the mid t-14(15), specifically UVA, UPenn, Michigan, etc. Because 164, while in the range for all of these schools, is low, I'm having a hard time determining whether I should retake the LSAT or not. With a gpa above the 75th for all of these schools and an LSAT within, albeit barely, their range, am I better off focusing on my personal statements, letters of rec, and getting my applications in early, or should I hit the ground running again and try to get to the high 160's?

As a side note, I want to mention that Logic Games have been my weakness, but I lucked out with this test's LG being so easy (I got a 20/23, well above my average in this section), which is worth considering in that the next test is unlikely to be as forgiving in LG.

Thanks for the advice!!

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Hi guys,

Has anyone used Manhattan Prep vs. Testmasters for private tutoring?

Trying to see which is better. I'm not referring to the group courses, just the tutors.

In levels of validity are the question types the same ?

Any prep courses that you guys would recommend? I live in Orange County CA if that matters.

June 2017 test I got -5 on each of the (2) LR and (2) RC sections, -12 on the 1 LG section. So shitty that I bombed such an easy LG, I was just checked out and exhausted by the time I got to that section and the simple games oddly threw me off since I only repeatedly practiced the really difficult ones.

I obviously just haven't studied well enough but waiting outside in line for like 2 hours outside in the heat and then waiting more inside for everyone to get seated and the test not being over until late evening really messed with my head.

I'm thinking maybe an in person prep course and taking prep tests in a classroom setting will be more similar to actual LSAT conditions and will help with my stamina. And maybe will help improve my logic games since it's just not clicking for me after self studying with 7sage.

Do whatever it is you need to do to get back on your feet. You have a little over two months until the September test. You haven't failed completely if you can just get back on your feet quickly and try again. You know where you messed up along the way..don't spend time thinking about what went wrong outside of the question types you messed up or your strategy. It's not going to be easy, but nothing worth having is! Get on your grind.

So after 12 hours of going through my PT, BRing and reviewing each question i have located my weakness: seeing and diagramming logical chains in LR. I am getting tripped up with SA and Parallels . How did you guys get past seeing all the fluff and just seeing the logical structure? I cant seem to separate whats important for the logic? I know all the indicators and the theory behind parsing out sentences from JY. Anything specifically that helped you?

What exactly does it mean for the ultimate plus edition to have the hardest questions, while the basic has the easiest questions?

Will I not be prepared if I choose the basic edition instead of the ultimate plus due to the lack of the "hardest" questions.