So I took the exam today and I was super bummed because I absolutely blanked on logic games. They were standard and I had done similar games dozens of times before usually only going -1 to -2 but I just blanked.

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I plan on drilling games and filming myself but feel kind of discouraged especially after doing so many games and feeling like i'm pretty good to blanking out and ruining my score with this easy section.

any advice would be appreciated. thx

- I have noticed, at least on my last two test, that I just have difficulty doing the first couple of questions on my first LR section, between the question # 2-9. This is especially true if that happens to be the first section on the test! I'll end up skipping like 3-4 questions within the first set of questions. And I am too nervous at the end anyways when I have less than 5 minutes to complete those question to do them calmly.

But on my second LR section I usually fly. Finish on time, my skipped questions are not mostly congregated in the first couple of questions, and even though I am still nervous at the end when little time is left, I am a bit more relaxed because I know they are harder and I have got all the easy ones right (at least hopefully). Whereas on the other one, I know those are easy and I just have a block against them. Which probably makes me more nervous!

Or at least I think that is the issue that's going on.

1) What can I do to not have this block?

2) I have noticed this pattern before on the last two test and have thought about a warmup. What length of warmup is appropriate before a test? And how long before a test should I do that warmup?

3) Also, I have only recently started using the skipping strategy. So could it just be nervousness?

What do you guys think? And what do you all do to before a test to help get your brain going :D

In the lesson Valid Argument Forms 4 - 9 of 9, a corollary to valid form 6 is introduced that reads—

A –> C

B –> C

∴ /A some /B

I understand how this form follows logically and how it relates to valid form 6, but it seems as though the /A some /B conclusion would NOT hold under the following scenario despite adhering to both initial premises.

Imagine you have A's.

A

A

A

All A's are C's.

AC

AC

AC

Imagine you have B's.

AC

AC

AC

B

B

B

All B's are C's (in this case, A and B do not intersect, without loss of generality).

AC

AC

AC

BC

BC

BC

Now, the inference should be "some non-A's are non-B's," however from the above scenario, all non A's ARE B's. Can somebody reconcile the above scenario with the valid argument form?

I've seen this example brought up in the lesson's comments section, however I have not seen it addressed directly.

Thanks!

Hey everyone,

This post is just to see if anybody will be interested in this first. I will be going over PT's in 70 plus series only. We are going to try out a new way to do PT schedule. Instead of a 3 month set PT schedule we will be more flexible. When we review a PT, then I will assign which PT we will do next. I am looking to do this on Saturdays.

Let me know if any of you will be interested. :)

So my original intent was to take the June and Sept retake, but I procrastinated too much to be adequately prepared for June. Having just taken the Sept test, my concern now is that, for the Dec score to make a meaningful impact, I would have to score at least 4 or so points higher. My concern is based on some data I came across previously on one of those sites (lawschoolnumbers?) that let you play around with LSAT scores and GPA ranges from thousands of former applicants, from years 2011-16ish, throughout different stages of the app cycle. Basically, you can input a particular GPA and LSAT score range along with the month the application was sent, and based on all former applicants whose ranges match those selected, it shows the percentage of those applicants who were admitted/waitlisted/rejected to the various schools they applied (you can even exclude URM). I found that, assuming equal GPA/LSAT ranges, those who applied from roughly Sept - mid/late Nov had a significant boost in their chances of admission over those who applied late Dec - March. Specifically, it appeared that one would need an increase in LSAT of at least 2 or 3 pts to make up for applying later in the cycle. So for those of us considering retesting in Dec, I'm wondering how exactly we should weigh the above info. More importantly, is anyone else familiar with this phenomenon? Would it put us in a different category, in terms of the effectiveness of our 2nd test in improving our admissions chances, if we applied in late October/early November and updated our apps with the improved LSAT scores in January, instead of submitting the application altogether in january?

Hey guys I have a question about this question beginning with, "it is clear that none of the volleyball players at yesterday's office."

Is A incorrect because goes from making a statement about all the employees at TRF who were offered the insurance to a conclusion about employees in general.

In short my first question is I see that the answer choice jumps from a statement about "everyone employed by TRF who was given the opportunity to purchase dental insurance" to all employees. The author is assuming that all employees at TRF were given the opportunity to purchase d.insurance. What if some workers had other insurance and chose to keep that insurance; and maybe those employees with the outside insurance chose not to go to the dentist. That could be true, but the choice doesn't leave room for the possibility. Is this why A is incorrect?

2) I am a little unclear on why D is correct. I didn't choose D because I was unsure if I could assume that taking time off= vacation time, (sometimes the LSAT gets you for shifts in phrasing and I didn't want to fall prey to this another time)

Help would be greatly appreciated

Hi all,

As I was about to hand in my score sheet today, I realized that I only bubbled in 25 questions for my last LR section (which had 26 questions). During that section, I skipped 14 and came back to it to fill it in, so I know that 1-14 are okay. I have no sense of where I made the mistake from 15-26. If it was just the last page (2 questions) or last 2 pages (5 questions), I would not cancel my score because I thought the rest of the test went well. I also have my heart set on applying this cycle.

I never make bubbling mistakes during PTs in part because I check that my bubbles line up with the questions. I simply can not remember, though, if I lined up any answer post-14 with the appropriate bubble.

I would appreciate any advice people may have. For instance, if I do poorly and take again in December, will schools consider an addendum that explains I made a bubbling error?

Thank you.

Abit of background: i have a degree from a crappy online college (upside is a gtaduated with a cumulative GPA of 3.96)

I spent 3 years studying ancient text abroad.

My whole schooling would be considered rigorous by most standards (i.e. start at 7:45am - 8:45 pm sunday - thursday.) From 9th grade till now 4yrs out of highschool.

Unfortunately, due to getting my degree online, i dont have any really strong LORs, but they are solid.

I have done tons of charity work and the like.

Realistically, i am expecting a 169-172 on my december take.

I have started looking at different schools, and NYU, columbia are looking mighty fine.

Do you guys think these should be considered my 'reach" schools?

Hi friends,

Congrats to everyone who took the LSAT on Saturday. Potential RC crises notwithstanding, making it through an administration is an accomplishment in and of itself, I think!

I'm shifting my focus towards applications to try and take my mind off the waiting time for scores to be released, and as I'm getting more specific with school lists, I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for getting a feel for the "culture" of the schools. Part of my motivation comes from wanting write a kickass "Why X?" essay, but the majority of my curiosity stems from a hesitance to shell out tons of cash if a school isn't going to be a fit for me. I've obviously read all of the website and application materials, but I haven't done the whole "apply to college" type routine for some years now, and my uncovering skills may be a lil rusty. I remember for undergrad, sites like collegeconfidential felt pretty helpful at the time, but I don't know what my resources are in that vein for law school.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks y'all!

Hi everyone,

Sorry if this was mentioned somewhere before, like maybe in the CC, but I am really looking for an LR study strategy that is as thorough and ordered as the LG fool proof method (which I have began applying to RC using PTs 1-35)...

My average for LR is -10 to -11 timed and -6 to -7 in BR. I have done four full PTs and the analytics tell me that Flaw and NA are my worst areas. However, I have done a number of LR sections and had the same results with no clear pattern of question type that sticks out. Now, I have done the CC for LR twice at this point and really don't want to do it for a third time. Especially since I feel I have made improvements since doing it before (especially in relation to conditional logic.)

Some have told me just to drill different question types but I'm not sure what that means... How do I put them together? Do I start by doing them timed and then do BR? How many should I do and how often? If anyone has suggestions on how to design a structured and targeted LR study strategy, similar to the LG fool proof method, it would be greatly appreciated...

If any tutors are reading this, I am considering employing one to help me for the December and/or February LSAT - I definitely have to apply for this cycle, I have been at this almost full-time for one year now.

Thanks!

that judges passage tripped up my flow at the end of the test and i fucked up the last passage as well because of it and i just might end up scoring somewhere in mid 150s.i know that i can do much better and will for sure be taking the test again. however i'm in a dilemma if i should cancel the september score or not. i'm thinking of cancelling because its not a great score to have on record but i'm not sure so any suggestions are welcome.

So one of the proctors phones went off during the test... is this something I should report?

Should I also write "why x" essays if I am writing a diversity statement?

I honestly think it's really hard to write interesting why x school essays unless one has regional ties or other personal, compelling reasons to go particular schools.

Hey all,

This morning was rough..like really rough..as some of you may know I've been shooting for a mid-170s score and my PTs were on par with that grade.

This morning though, I just felt like I got hit by a brick wall. I don't feel confident in my score at all.

I wanted to know, what are the potential advantages of canceling? Do law schools only look at your top score, or do they average them? Does it depend on the school? And if so, which average and which take the top ones?

Thanks,

Paul

What hours do you full-timers usually study?

What is everyone's plan for the Dec LSAT?

I am looking to go back to studying and don't even know where to start. Need to work on LG, harder RC and target LR weaknesses.

Should I drill and PT? review curriculum? Curious what others are doing. I am in the high 150's to low 160's. Looking to get a168.

So I already saw a string a few test center complaints from this morning's test but what I experienced today wasn't at all from other students' disruptions but all fell solely on the proctor.

For 2 sections (section 2 and 3) the proctor called timed early. She legitimately shaved off 5 whole minutes from Section 2 and while some of us verbally complained, as you know there's not much time in between each section and we shuffled in Section 3 w/o immediately addressing it. She tried to call time TEN whole minutes before Section 3 ended and so the majority of the room complained, had our watches in the air like 'wtff??!'. She apologized and let us finish. She even said 'this is just not my day...' Because of that, a girl complained that ALL of our test scores should be cancelled at this point because of the multiple disruptions. I was torn because although they were disruptions, I wasn't willing to give up all the work. The proctor compromised slightly and gave us 5 minutes to GO BACK to Section2 (yes, this was already after Section 3).. while I feel like i was to re-confirm some questions I circled in those 5 mins. I'm not sure if it did that much for me. ON TOP OF THAT, the proctor's cellphone rang TWICE!! So the girl from earlier plus about 4-5 other students, at least from what I saw, cancelled immediately during the break. Me and other people around me were shocked 'I can't believe that just happened.' 'All the studying for THIS to happen!?' etc. I know a lot of people will be e-mailing LSAC with a complaint about this and are debating cancelling within the 6 days.

Im really torn .. I've been studying for awhile/have extended twice and this was supposed to the one for me. Overall, while I do feel like I did okay and sufficient enough to apply to schools, when I get the score in Oct. I can't help to think that I was possibly robbed some points b/c of these disruptions. IF enough people send a complaint, do you think LSAC will cancel everyone's score even if we don't apply for a cancellation?

Sorry.... went on a major rant.. thank you for reading through all of this - if you've experienced something similar in the past or know of anyone, any thoughts of how LSAC might handle? Any advice?

Thanks!

So, I took the Sept LSAT and I left feeling completely defeated. Games is normally my best section and I guessed on a whole game and I don't feel confident about any of my RC responses. I'm feeling like I should just cancel and retake in December because I'm 95% sure I got a score much lower than I want. I'm conflicted though as to whether or not I should just see what my score was so that I can learn from the mistakes I made or if I should just cancel. I just don't know what would look worse -- a potentially really low score or a cancel. Advice?

So...today I took the September LSAT and had to cancel my score, which is devastating because I have now prepped with various methods for 1.5 years. Last September, I took the exam and bombed it because I was working over 80 hrs a week and did not dedicate enough time to honestly taking timed tests and BRing. Since February of this year, I have been on 7Sage going over core curriculum on all of my weak areas that other test prep companies could not help me with. I have read the LSAT Trainer 3 times, done the PS bibles too many times to count, PS bible workbooks, Manhattan strategy guides, Blueprint LG book, and burned through pretty much every single LSAT all the way up to 81(mistake numero uno, I know).

I feel like I know what I am doing when I do timed exams at home, but that said, my scores are inconsistent. LG is my weakness, and my problems in LR are not specific to question type, but rather spread out. I range anywhere from 158-168 timed and my BR is usually about 10 points or so over whatever score I get timed. I thoroughly review each test, and seemed to be improving. My biggest issue is my severe...and I am talking SEVERE test anxiety. I have tried meditating, release methods, affirmations, etc. I don't know what to do. Today, I walked into that test confident that I would kick this test in the butt. When the test began, I could not absorb any of the information I was reading and I panicked. I tried breathing deeply and tried to calm myself down, but nothing helped. I completely froze and became paralyzed for the rest of the test and had a panic attack during the break. After studying for 1.5 years and doing nothing but LSAT prep, I am completely devastated. I have sacrificed so much (time, financial security, mental health, emotional health,etc.). I just don't know what to do at this point. I don't want to give up on my dreams, but I don't know what to do.

Hey fighters of LSAT-evil,

During the actual exam, that 15 minute break can seriously be tempting to a lot of people to relax too much and this can be detrimental to a few of us out there, including myself. When I took the exam yesterday (sept 2017) I couldn't resist going outside, grabbing some sunshine, eat my traditional trail-mix (with extra m&m's), play with my somewhat 33 pencils (give or take) and completely stop thinking about the LSAT that was coming back to bite me in the *** 14 minutes later.

I read @LSATcantwin 's strategy during the 15 minute break regarding a personal 1-1 pep-talk with, well, yourself. That seemed really useful to me personally and am very curious to see what other people do.

What exactly goes through your mind during the actual exam during the 15 minute break? What do you do to stay level-headed and frequent in the "eyes on the prize" mode?

Although of all the sections I feel probably most secure about RC, I'd love to hear any suggestions of prep tests with particularly difficult RC passages.

Hey all,

So, like a lot of people it seems, I really struggled with the RC section of the Sept 2017 test and will almost certainly need to retake the test. However, since I already spent 5ish months studying and drilling for the September test, I only have 10-12 full PTs left. How do I space out these exams? How do I dill if I've already seen a lot of the questions before? Are there external sources that can help nail down RC?

This was my first week with 7sage. I read that the BR score is used to indicate room for improvement whereas the timed score is used to indicate performance under time pressure. And a scary question popped into my head, is 163 my ceiling i.e. will I never break 170 or above? I know the question sounds stupid, but I am totally new to the 7sage and the LSAT in general and I just got worried. :( I plan on upgrading to the Ultmate+ course. I am only in third year and have lots of time to wait and prep.

I took the LSAT yesterday. This was my second time. On my PT's I was scoring in the mid to high 160's. My ideal score is 167 or above.

I just don't know how I did yesterday. I don't know how to assess my performance in any of the sections on the test besides LG. I was able to figure out every game except the second one in which I had to guess on 3-4 questions. In my PTs, I was getting 2-3 wrong on LG.

I can't risk another bad score. I did terrible on my first LSAT in which I totally bombed the LG section (got -15). I worked the heck out of LG games this time so I don't think I bombed LG again unless I screwed up everything. I thought LR and RC on yesterday's test was normal, besides the passage about the judges.

I don't know what to do. I really don't want to cancel because I have some applications that require the September score. I would be fine with a score in the mid-to-high 160's. I just can't get the same score as last time or do worse because that would just destroy me. Is it possible to do worst than your first LSAT??? I put in two full months of studying in this.

I'm just curious how others who are relying on the September score are thinking about what to do next, especially those who didn't take the test for the first time yesterday.

So i recently refreshed my fundementals on these 2 question types and im running into and issue that,i think, LSAC is playing on.

According to JY NA ACs make a bridge or a block.

Wouldnt blocking a potential argument strengthen it? And similarily for bridging?