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I am a bit confused on how come some Strengthen questions require us to use the Assumption skills from PSA and SA questions. However, there are also some strengthen questions that did not require us to draw out the conditional chains and only requires us to affirm paraphrased "assumptions".

Is it only for questions that have "principle" that we automatically should treat them as PSA or SA questions? Or is it safe to use the PSA and SA method for ALL Strengthen questions?

Any insight on this matter would be greatly appreciated!

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Join us as we go over the LR sections in PT 68

Saturday, March 18th at 5PM ET: PT 68

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Note:

  • For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able on your own; then join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.
  • Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.
  • These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).
  • The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via GoToMeeting and intellectually slaughter each test.
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    Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading a twelve-hour long LR workshop over four nights (three hours per night) for four students to provide an intensive and comprehensive overview of all foundational concepts and their application to all types of LR questions.

    Schedule

    Session 1 - March 31, Friday, 7pm - 10pm EST

    Session 2 - April 1, Saturday, 7pm - 10pm EST

    Session 3 - April 2, Sunday, 7pm - 10pm EST

    Session 4 - April 3, Monday, 7pm - 10pm EST

    Cost

    Free. But! There's a $150 deposit to reserve your spot. If you show up on time and participate for the entire duration of all sessions, your deposit will automatically be refunded fully at the end of the workshop. Otherwise, it is forfeit. Please make sure you can attend the entire 12 hour long workshop.

    #Frequently Asked Questions

    Q: How will you select which four students will participate?

    A: First-come, first-served. The first four students to successfully place the deposit will be selected.

    Q: What if I'm the fifth person to sign up?

    A: Since there are only four spots, you will be automatically refunded.

    Q: Who should take this workshop and what will be covered?

    A: Beginners. This means you haven't finished the Core Curriculum yet and you're not starting to take PrepTests yet. Imagine the workshop as a fast paced overview of the entire Core Curriculum that pertains to LR. We'll cover theory and we'll apply that theory to actual LSAT questions. It will be highly interactive and hence the limit of four students. Wherever you are in the Core Curriculum, this a great way to solidify the concepts covered.

    Q: Can I sign up even if I'm not a beginner?

    A: Yes, you can. I'm certain that it'll benefit you to return to concepts covered in the Core Curriculum. I'm also certain that you will find it very slow at times since I will be speaking to students on the assumption that they are beginners.

    Q: Do I need to have a paid 7Sage account to sign up?

    A: Yes, you do. If you have an expired account, message Dillon and see if he's willing to reactivate it for you.

    Q: What materials are used in this workshop?

    A: The workbook that you will be provided with will contain LR questions from PrepTests 54, 55, and 56. Yes, we will be "burning" those PrepTests in order to get a closer look at the modern LSAT.

    Q: What do I need to do to prepare for the workshop if I get in?

    A: You should print the above mentioned workbook. You should be in a quiet space where you can talk freely. You should have a fast internet connection. You should have headphones or earphones ready.

    Q: How do I attend the workshop?

    A: The workshop will be hosted on Go To Meeting, like all of 7Sage's webinars. Instructions and meeting location will be sent to you once you've successfully registered.

    Q: Will there be more workshops in LR / LG / RC in the future?

    A: Yes. This session accommodates east coasters who work during the day. Future sessions will accommodate others.

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    Does the personal statement necessarily need to be focused on a recent moment in our lives? Could we talk about an event that happened before college, as long as it references a hobby that you intermittently do to this day?

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    I always see J.Y. breaking down argument structures in the video explanations, but I was wondering if it is a recommended process to do during the timed portions. I have got to the point where I can naturally tell/take mental notes of what exactly is context and where the various arguments begin and end. That said, is it worth the time spent?

    Edit: I also do not break down the structure in BR. The same question applies for that as well.

    Thank you!

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    So...

    I am currently on spring break, and plan on being 100% done with the curriculum by the weekend. My first week back I have a couple exams so just going to go over a few logic games sections and some reading comp sections to stay fresh. Then I am thinking every Friday (no classes on Friday) I take a practice exam, and during the day Saturday (potentially into the early portions of the following week) Blind Review and then go back over stuff in the curriculum (or other resources) that I feel like I struggled in. Then rinse and repeat until June 12th (possibly upping my practice test number per week as I get closer and when classes end).

    Does this seem like a solid plan of action? I have taken two practice exams (scored 154, 160) so far, and went through a whole LSAT book (The LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim). I plan on taking it again in September depending how my score is in June. Any input would be appreciated!

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    Hello-

    I am planning to start studying for LSAT, trying to figure out a way to start, having a toddler is not easy in managing time.

    I have a 3.2 GPA and want to get in good school. I want to take September test, haven't start studying yet. How can 7sage help, which program would be the best to work with?

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    Overall: 9/10

    Proctors: Amazing! Literally not one thing I could complain about. The proctors were very nice and relaxed before the test and completely quiet during. They all knew what they were talking about and did everything very efficiently. Proper time warnings were given for every section and we even ended up getting 30 seconds or so between sections, didn't feel rushed at all.

    Facilities: Really nice campus! Clean bathrooms right near the testing rooms and a decent amount of space to walk around/chill during the break. The one complaint I have about the testing center overall was that it was a bit difficult to find the building (University Hall). Montclair State University is kind of split into a lower and upper campus, with the main entrance/GPS address bringing you to the lower half, but the testing building in the upper. You can access the upper campus from the top level of the parking garage, but there weren't any signs (that I could see), so if I hadn't found this info on the University website I probably would've been lost for awhile.

    What kind of room: Large, 100-seat lecture halls, all right next to each other. If you google "Montclair State University Hall Room 1070" you can see a 360 degree panoramic view of what the rooms look like, which I LOVED because it made me feel so much more comfortable going into it (without going all the way there to see it myself). The chairs were comfortable and adjustable, the lighting was good, and the temperature wasn't too hot or too cold, but there was no clock in the room.

    How many in the room: I want to say 30-ish people were in my testing room, but other test-takers who had been there before said that the Feb exam had a very low turnout compared to other administrations. However, we were assigned to every other chair, and the rows didn't feel cramped at all, so I don't think it would've mattered much if there were more people there.

    Desks: THE BEST! Long tables with plenty of room to spread out and no risk of spilling into your neighbor's space because they left a chair open between each test-taker. I get super distracted by any movement in my peripheral vision, but i had no such issues here. There were random little microphones mounted on the desk in some places, but the few people seated near them were able to scoot their chairs over so they weren't in the way.

    Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable. Yay for long table-desks!

    Noise levels: Perfectly quiet throughout the entire exam. I was actually surprised to see that one of the testing rooms next-door got out slightly before us for the break because we couldn't hear ANYTHING inside.

    Parking: The big parking garage on campus is called the Red Hawk Parking deck, and I believe it cost $8.00 for the day. LSAT testers could go to some office and get a special parking discount, but I'm not sure how much because I just wanted to escape ASAP haha.

    Time elapsed from arrival to test: They began check-in at 8:25ish and we started the test a little before 9:00. One of the proctors I was chatting with said that a 9:00am start is typical.

    Irregularities or mishaps: None! The only difficulty I had was finding the building, but it was no problem once I looked up a campus map on their website (which I honestly should've done beforehand anyways).

    Other comments: My testing experience went as smoothly as I think it could possibly go. I highly recommend taking it here!

    Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

    Date[s] of Exam[s]: February 4th, 2016

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    Hello,

    During In-Out Games, I am consistently getting confused between the Not Both Rule and the Biconditional (Always Together/Never Together) Rule. I am aware of the fundamentals, but get quite confused when the wording is sometimes difficult to fully grasp the meaning.

    For instance, in PT29 S3 Game 1, the second rule states "Bill 1 cannot be paid on the same day as Bill 5."

    In PT26 S1 Game 4, the first rule states "Gibson and Vega do not serve on the panel in the same year as each other."

    Both look quite identical, and I initially incorrectly interpreted the first statement as a Not Both, and the second statement as a Never Together. So my questions are:

    Can anyone explain why the first statement is a Never Together while the second one is a Not Both?

    I was wondering if anyone had some advice on how to quickly determine a rule as a [Not Both Rule] or a [Never together/always apart Rule], especially under timed conditions.

    Thanks in advance!

    https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-29-section-3-game-1/

    https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-1-game-4/

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    Hey guys,

    Any tips on post core-curriculum ideas?

    My first four PT's have been stagnant at 158-161. I didn't take a cold diagnostic and my first PT was 161.

    Specifically,

    A: What is a good PT schedule?

  • I'm doing every other day; I tried to do a back to back today and felt mentally exhausted. I thought it'd be waste of a PT.
  • B: How do you recommend drilling LR?

  • I don't have those cambridge packages or whatever. I also haven't taken enough PT's to have a good sample size on my weaknesses yet. Should I use the question bank primarily?
  • C: How do you recommend going back to the core curriculum to review?

  • I've been supplementing a little bit of the trainer to help me study. Is this a good idea?
  • D : Is it normal to have your first four PT's show almost no improvement in raw score?

  • My first was 161; then I dipped to 157, 161 then 159. I'm wildly inconsistent between my sections; for instance, I got as good as -2 on RC, -3 on LG and -5 on LR. But I always have one section during a PT just implode on me.
  • I'm writing in June and am planning on doing PT 35-80.

    Thanks in advance!

    PS: I think @"Cant Get Right" did a webinar on this; any take-aways from that webinar since I wasn't able to attend?

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    Hey,

    I've been put on the preferred waitlist at two t-14 school and wont know if I got off the waitlist until after May. However, one of the non- t-14 but still really solid school gave me until May,1st to accept the full scholarship public interest fellowship and if I don't accept it by then, I won't receive the full ride. However accepting the fellowship means that I have to withdraw my application from all other schools. Honestly, I want to be a public interest lawyer and the school which I received a full ride to is a very strong program for that. However, the two t-14 schools I was waitlisted at have more name recognition but since I was waitlisted I assume I wont be receiving much if any scholarships to go into those schools even if accepted, is that a correct assumption? Is getting the risk of the waitlist at a t-14 worth passing up a full ride scholarship?

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    @"J.Y. Ping" or others that have an answer:

    How do you know, in LR questions where some Q stems require us to identify the main point of the "Argument" and others ask specifically to identify the main point of the "conclusion"; when, such as in the "Camera Lens" LR question JY explains, to include the (P) in the paraphrased answer or only the (C)? Or are all of these "Main Point Questions" only wanting us to single out the conclusion and paraphrase it?

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    Here is promotional material for Larry Law Law's webinar on his course KTCOOLS (Kick the Crap Out of Law School)

    March Prep for Law School - Before It Starts

    (And HOW To Prep)

    So, as I promised, I have advice for you 0Ls -- those of you who got into law school (or are still figuring out what law school to go to).

    I know you may be juggling other things -- picking a school, weighing scholarships, etc.

    But it is NOT too early to be thinking about preparing for law school itself.

    In 6 years of tutoring law students, I learned one big thing: my best students (straight A students at T14 law schools) got started before law school.

    That is worth repeating and putting in bold and in just 5 words: To get As, start early.

    (As you already know, top grades mean everything in law school and to your future -- even if you get into your dream law school.)

    If you have doubts about starting early, watch this video:

    Law School Study Tip: Prepare Before Law School In the Summer (Or: Help, I'm Scared!)

    If this helped -- if you thought that this was wicked smaaht -- do me a favor:

    Don't just watch the video -- ACTUALLY APPLY this advice to your life.

    Forward this emails to friends! (And if you

    In the mean time, let me know if you have any questions. On anything in law school. I read every email.

    Best,

    Larry Law Law

    P.S. As I promised, if you want to learn about all the secrets to law school success, I will be hosting a FREE webinar on Tuesday, March 14 at 9pm Eastern. I'll answer any and all questions you have about how to ace law school. Here are the deets:

    Time: Mar 14, 2017 9:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

    Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/989220914

    Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +14086380968,989220914# or +16465588656,989220914#

    Or Telephone:

    Dial: +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll) or +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll)

    Meeting ID: 989 220 914

    International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=7HSOZE0w02-Fs8Nz_xsz5MTDRvS48PiQ

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    Thank you for the RC Intensive last week @"Cant Get Right" @"Accounts Playable" @danielznelson @"nessa.k13.0"! It was Great:)

    Hope you will join us Wed night to review Reading Comp & Logic Games on PT68. Vanessa & I have been talking about how to tweak the format to make it an even more valuable experience for all of us. Feedback requested:)

    Wednesday, March 15th at 7PM ET: PT 68

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    The Full Schedule

    And if you’d like to see the full schedule for upcoming reviews, here it is:

    https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=7sage.com_ft05lsm54j4ec1s6kj1d1bbpv0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago

    Note:

  • For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able on your own; then join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.
  • Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.
  • These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).
  • The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via GoToMeeting and intellectually slaughter each test.
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    Hi all!

    Question regarding a LOR from a professor I am currently taking. To ask or not?

    Background info: Major is Psychology with emphasis in Law and Criminal Behavioral Applications and minor in Legal Studies. GPA is 3.9

    I am planning to apply in Fall 2017 and have already secured one LOR with my criminal law prof and am banking on that being a great one considering she offered to write it before I even asked. I plan to ask my advisor as well, who I have also had for two upper division classes, both received As in. I have another prof that I have right now that I am considering asking after the semester is over. I believe I will finish very well in her class. All of her comments on my assignments have been awesome. However, she's my Child and Adolescent Development professor. Should I not ask her because this class is so heavily psychology related and can't really directly be applied to law? The other two professors taught classes that were related (Criminal Law, Criminal Psychology). What do you guys think?

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    http://www.npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2017/03/06/518777865/the-most-practical-tips-for-practicing-according-to-science?utm_term=music&utm_content=buffer54e22&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    The presentation is actually about physical practice, but I see a lot of overlap with Sage suggestions and also just common sense. Don't expect to learn anything here that will remarkably alter your habits (unless you have awful habits lol), but let it serve as a reminder that quality practice is more important than quantity.

  • Focus without distractions
  • Start out slow (untimed)
  • Frequent repetition with allotted breaks
  • Visualize in vivid detail
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    I have studied for LSAT since December last year, and finished PT 30-60, ranging from 164-173, with an average score of 169. Got a 166 in the real one, frankly a bit disappointed.

    My current situation is LG -2, LR -3~-4 for each session, and RC -3~-8. I dunno what's wrong with my capricious RC performance lol.

    I really want to raise my score, ideally above 173 in the September test (because I am studying at a university in Hong Kong famous for low GPA. my current GPA is 3.5, which is already 5-10% in my year). Is this even possible? I can spare 28 hours per week from March to May, and 50 hours per week from June to August. I don't wanna burn out so I've plan an 10 day trip in the summer.

    I am thinking of buying the LSAT Trainer, or registering for the 7Sage courses, or both. Do you think they are helpful?

    Any suggestion will be much appreciated!

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    Hey y'all—

    Just popping in from 1L land per @DumbHollywoodActor 's request to share some thoughts about 1L prep—specifically, Larry Law Law's KTCOOLS course. I started Larry's course around this time last year and I don't think it's too early to start thinking about this. Here goes.

  • I have one of the highest GPA's in my entire class (I know of one person with a 4.01, I have a 3.975) and (to the best of my knowledge) the highest GPA for doctrine classes. We have a graded legal writing course, which your school probably will not. So, for all of the courses relevant to Larry's course, I may have the highest GPA at a T10 law school. I got an A+ in Crim and A's in Torts, Contracts, and Civ Pro.
  • I did this well because I didn't waste my time/energy on things that didn't matter and managed my expectations. Your grades in doctrine classes depend almost exclusively on your performance in a 3-4 hour period one day in December/April. I didn't brief cases (I have a very specific method of "book briefing" which I'm happy to share with you all over the summer) and I did practice exams early and often (not full exams but hypos that are ~45min to 1 hour, which typically represents the amount of time you will spend on an individual section/fact pattern on a law school exam; full exams you do during reading period and they should be exams your professor has released).
  • These principles (not briefing cases/book briefing and approach to PE's) I learned from Larry's course. Everything you will learn in law school is to the contrary: they will tell you to brief cases and hold off on PE's until reading period. I promise that you will have no idea how to take a law school exam unless/until you're exposed to them, ideally early on and in a context with some guidance. And I promise that briefing cases is a waste of time as far as exams are concerned. Book briefing is another matter, but writing out full briefs is, in my opinion, madness. It will make you miserable and you will get nothing for all of your effort.
  • People thought I was crazy. My study group thought I was crazy. That's because when you get to law school, the administration and mentors etc. will tell you to brief cases and wait to practice taking exams. Do not do these things.

    So—I learned all of the things that I think differentiated me from KTCOOLS. I'm not saying it's sufficient/necessary, but that's where I got the ideas for how/what I did.

    My personal tips include: take all of your notes by hand, don't have your computer or phone out in class, and start outlining by the middle of the semester. First-pass outlining is typing your notes. Real outlining (what you will actually use on the exam) you do at the end of the semester. And make all of your own outlines. The reason you outline is to master the material. Use A or A+ outlines from upperclassmen who had your professors only to supplement your own or to get ideas. Only use supplements if 1) they are written by your professor 2) the professor recommends (rare) and/or 3) to get enough of the law internalized to do hypos early on. Be warned that supplements will almost definitely lead you astray with at least a couple of your professors, so you may need to "forget" what you learned in order to practice exam taking when it comes to what your professor actually teaches. But that is a small price to pay for the experience of taking practice exams, refining your methods, and getting used to legal analysis under timed conditions.

    I'm not going to have time to address specific questions/comments, but much love to all :D Dave knows where to find me and he can bring important questions to my attention, but for now, I'm signing off and thinking of you all very fondly.

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    I bet this has been asked before, but as June gets closer, I'm wondering if I should give myself the summer and put off the LSAT until September 16. My only issue is that I plan on applying to T14 schools this application cycle (this Fall), and I'm worried that the rolling admissions process of most schools won't work in my favor if my score isn't available until October. Any thoughts? I would hope to have the rest of my application completed by the time my score was available. Any advice would be much appreciated!

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    I just wanted to take a few moments to praise 7Sage, the Admissions Course and especially the Personal Statement editing session. I spent so much time scouring the internet to find the right way to study for the LSAT and the right way to get the best application possible and wasn't finding anything I felt would actually work for me, until I found 7Sage. While my LSAT score was rather unimpressive, it was definitely an improvement from where I was when I started, 7Sage helped me understand the LSAT and helped me score pretty highly on practice tests. I choked and panicked when it came to the real thing (entirely my fault), but I was intent on applying with my low score anyway. With the help of the Admissions Course, I was able to form an overall great application, and I believe my personal statement is what made my application stand out. After just the one editing session I purchased on here, my PS looked 100x better.

    In short: 7Sage, and @"david.busis" helped get me into my dream school, Emory, even when LSAC gave me less than a 10% chance of getting in, so thank you so much!

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