Hi guys,

Just wondering if anybody in Korea is planning on taking the September 2016 exam. Would be great to combine forces to study. As background, Ive been out of college for a few years and have been working since. I am taking a break now from my job to study for the LSATs and have been studying from January this year. Would be great to take mock exams with similar students and keep each other in check! Lemme know if anyone is interested. Cheers

Unfortunately, I have ALREADY registered for my Sept exam but I won't be able to get the score I want by Sept. Things didn't work out according to plan and I really don't know what to do.

My originally plan was to take about 20-30 PTs before my first actual exam, but as of now, I'm only able to drill by section to increase my speed. I miss about 5-6 questions in LR and have 6 minutes left before the last logic game. I'm not able to read all 4 RC passages and even the ones I do get to read, I get 1-3 wrongs per passage. RC is my worst nightmare and I don't know whether keep drilling it will increase my speed. But when I redo all of the above sections untimed during my BR, I get 85%-100% right. They are not really hard to solve and understand when I don't do them under timed conditions (except for the hardest RC passages) but I get stressed out, nervous, and rush through questions during timed conditions that I don't get to understand some sentences and overlook some key words. For instance, there is always at least one weirdly worded rule in logic games that makes me freeze and hurt my confidence to solve questions accurately. That disappointment and fear have psychological impact on my performance and makes me keep doubt whether I indeed translated the rest of the rules accurately. Overall, it frustrates me that there are many questions that are solvable but I just can't do them properly and accurately because I THINK I don't have enough time and I ACTUALLY don't have enough time. So I came to the conclusion that it's more practical of me to raise my LR and LG speed & score to compensate for my weak RC skills given the amount of time I got.

With these timing issues to overcome, I need to begin my PTing phase next week. I don't think doing about 15 PTs will be enough of practice before the actual test. Ideally, I want to take about 35-40 PTs, but realistically, it's unfeasible by Sept. I'm pretty sure I won't reach in the low 160s by Sept (especially due to this huge timing issue with RC) but I need at least high160s to apply to my dream schools. So I'm thinking of taking the Sept test to just get the experience of taking the exam with many people under stressful conditions and cancelling the score right after the test to not leave any record of unwanted score. I will keep on studying after the first exam, and hopefully by Dec, I will get enough practice with all of my 3 sections (especially RC) to reach my target score and take the Dec exam with no plan of cancelling the score. And by Jan/early Feb, I will be ready to send my applications to my dream schools. Even if I really screw up my Dec exam, I will be able to take one last exam in Feb. I also don't intend to apply for 2018 admission and take any more exams after Feb. I must apply for the fall 2017 admission.

So I'm not sure whether postponing the test date (by paying $90) is a good idea because that would mean losing money and the chance to experience what it's really like taking the exam at the test center. Similarly, if I get a refund, I only get $50 back and I lose the chance to practice under actual test conditions. In my country, I'm not able to even enter the classrooms where the test will be taken because I'm not one of the school's students, doors are closed, classes are being held, and etc. I won't have the opportunity to practice at the test center like some people can abroad. I actually went to the test center in June to check out and get some info on the test center and one of the people who are in charge of administering the exam explicitly told me that I can't enter any of the rooms to practice. She asked me why I'm being so sensitive about the exam. Um...ok. I may be a sensitive person but I mean isn't this supposed to be a serious exam? Haha.

Anyway, the only concern I have about cancelling the score is what if it in anyway hurts my application? If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

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Has this ever happened? Also, how frequent are combination games ?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-75-section-4-game-4/

I'm so confused with the rule "Any feature occupying more than one slot must occupy consecutively numbered slots."

Could anyone list all (or some if all is impossible) possibilities of this rule?

I thought it just means,

it there are multiple Xs, it would be XX.

But it seems there are other possibilities other than this...the part "consecutively" bothers me.

It seems XXYYX is correct as well, but I thought this is wrong bc the last X is there by itself. (It should be XXXYY isn't it?)

I already watched the video but still it bothers me :(

An argument states that: Maria won this year's sailboat race by beating Sue, who has in each of the four last years. We can conclude from this that Maria trained hard.

Premise: Maria won this year by beating Sue who won the last 4 years

Conclusion: Maria trained hard.

I was between these two answers and chose the first one incorrectly:

1. If Maria trained hard, she would win the sailboat race

2. Maria could beat a four time winner only if she trained hard

The explanation says that the first one (the one I picked) is a mistaken reversal, but how am I supposed to know how to conditionally diagram this??

Why couldn't it be diagrammed as if maria trained hard she won, instead of if maria won she trained hard?

How do you diagram unless, except, only if, and if but only if?

Especially unless, I'm super confused. I have been told to negate the left statement but then others say that's wrong. Also what are you supposed to do with statements like: Unless I get an A, I will not go out tonight....? HELP I HATE CONDITIONAL LOGIC

I am totally lost on this question. What I did was diagram :

--L ---> --C

C --> L

I picked E because it had the word many in it, and I thought from the first sentence it was being consistent. Initially, I was thinking D because of "some" but then I thought well the first sentence has "many" so I should be congruent.

I'm really lost and cannot figure this out. If someone could help me out, I would be most appreciative!

Hi guys so I have noticed while going through the SA and PSA questions that the answer choice must have the conclusion in the necessary condition. This is very important for me as I often miss answers because of this. Can anyone expand on the theory and understanding behind this and why it occurs. That would help me out a lot. Thanks in advance :)

So I just have a quick question about percentiles. On the june LSAT I scored a 158 and on the LSAC website, it's says that's the 74th percentile. In comparing the 74th percentile with other conversion tables that is a 160 to a 161. I know the conversion chart varies from year to year, so I was wondering how do law schools look at your score. Do they see you as a 158 or do they see you as the 74th percentile or maybe they take both of these factors into consideration? May someone please clarify this for me?

as the title mentioned i was curious to know when the When do the June 2016 LSAT questions get released as a preptest to practice with?

I know this question is going to be contingent on every person's learning ability, obligations outside the LSAT, and several other factors.

I just wanted to get an idea of how long people generally spend going through the CC of the 7Sage program?

Ideally, if the LSAT is your only main responsibility, and you would like to aim for December administration (Will absolutely reschedule if I feel I am not ready), what is a good amount of time to aim for? The automated study schedule is awesome, but if I schedule it to finish in December then it gives me way less than I can handle. So what is a realistic and doable date to set the CC to complete. I am probably going to upgrade when I can afford to get test explanations, so I am just talking about the CC lessons....

Again, I get millage may vary for folks, but I would feel much more comfortable having a little more guidance on this... I can always adjust it should I fall behind or need some extra time with a question type.

I usually try to put in 4-5 hours/day M-F and 6-8 hours on Saturday. Sundays off completely.

Thanks in advanced!

A question for those who do well on RC. Do the top scorers avoid subvocalization? I've been tinkering with methods that work best for me on the RC section, and I'm curious if top scorers say the words in their head when reading through RC passages.

Hello everyone,

Anybody else interested? I skimmed through a lot of the thread on TLS and was curious if anyone on 7sage was interested as well.

I've always wanted to be in the military ever since I was hmm I want to say about 10-ish years old but due to a pretty bad back injury out of high school the recruiter and I decided it was in my best interest not to join, then after graduating university I was about to enlist but went forward with another dream of mine which is law school (studying for the lsat now) then that got me into considering JAG.

I just realized that I don't know J.Y.'s/7Sage's philosophy on this...

I have all the Cambridge Packets pdf. from tests 1-38 for LR, RC, and LG and am wondering how to best utilize them.

Should I drill from the Cambridge packets while going through the CC or should I do them during my PT/BR phase?

If I should be doing this as I go through the CC, how many of each is recommended? Some packets have 200+ questions and others about 50, so wondering how to best allocate my time and questions.

Thanks!

Looking for a study partner in Houston, TX. Can discuss a study area if interested.

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I know we have a few LR and Games sections of people taking them live but what about RC?

Hey Guys,

I am doing reading comp, and I keep seeing questions on the organization of the passage. I see two things that say the passage is describing a hypothesis or describing a thesis. What is the difference between these?

Thanks!

Hey 7sagers,

This Wednesday, July 27, at 9 pm ET, Charlie Melman (@cmelman95 ) will host a webinar in which he’ll tell you how—and how not—to increase your score from the middle of the pack to the 99th percentile.

Charlie studied for the LSAT from September, 2015 to June, 2016, and along the way he learned a lot about the test, how to study for each section, how learning works in general, and—perhaps most importantly—how to manage YOURSELF through the arduous study process.

He’ll talk about the bad things he did, the good things he did, and how he approached every section. Drop by on July 27 at 9 pm ET, and he’ll be happy to take all questions!

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If this isn't an allowed discussion, please someone just yell and I'll delete immediately. I thought I was going to be taking the LSAT in September, but life got in the way. I have pretty much every test from 07 to 77. Maybe there's a set of 10 I'm missing. Anyway, my husband removed the bindings and we put them in 3 ring binders. Ebay? I'm not really sure what to do with them. If we aren't allowed to post items like this here, can someone tell me where we CAN post these types of things?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-06/

I hate that I'm getting stumped by a question this early in the section, but I've gotten this wrong both timed and also during blind review. I keep choosing C, although the answer is B:

(paraphrased stimulus)

Legislator: Your agency is responsible for regulating an industry shaken by scandals. We gave you funds for 500 investigators but you only hired 400. I conclude that you intentionally limited hiring in order to prevent the full extent of the scandals from being revealed.

Regulator: No, we tried hiring the 500 investigators, but the starting salaries were frozen so low by the legislature that it was impossible to attract enough qualified applicants.

Q: The regulator responds to the legislator's criticism by...

B. providing info that challenges the legislator's conclusion

C. claiming that complying with the legislature's mandate would have been an insufficient response

I chose C. because the regulator was saying that complying with the legislature's mandate (the one to hire 500 investigators with low frozen salaries) would have been an insufficient response (in combating the scandals)

I see why B would be the right answer since the regulator introduces new information that suggests an alternative explanation, which challenges the legislator's conclusion. I'm just not sure why C is wrong.

Any help would be much appreciated! I have tried to find this explanation or discussion of this question online elsewhere and haven't been able to.

During LG BR, I'm often reinforcing the methods and memorizing game/rule inferences. This has helped a lot. But once you get to the 4th or 5th time of drilling the same game how do you guard against simply remembering the correct answer and actually taking yourself through the inference method as if it were the first time. I think it's important to continue seeing inferences and not letting yourself skip to the correct answer because of the repetition of seeing the game.

Any thoughts on this? Feel free to share how you approach this. Thanks!

Hi folks,

I'm struggling with this question in BR. So I figured I'd post my reasoning and see what you all think of it.

Debater:

Premise 1:Because lecturers are superior to students in mastery, lecturing requires hierarchy.

Premise 2: People learn best from peer interaction.

Conclusion: Hierarchy in lecturing is a weakness.

Respondent:

Premise 1: Because teaching/learning requires simple to complex instruction, teaching/learning requires hierarchy.

Illustration of premise: In math, you must learn arithmetic before calculus.

Conclusion: Hierarchy in lecturing is a strength.

What the respondents' reply most vulnerable to criticism for?

There is more than one flaw, so I listed the ones I could see.

Flaw 1: Response does not address what is sufficient for a strength or defend against a weakness, it simply states that it is required.

Flaw 2: Requirement/necessity does not equal strength.

I'm sure there are more, but those were most obvious to me.

A: Initially I thought this was correct because I thought the argument ignored some assumptions of the debater. But it doesn't. When the debater assumes that peer interaction implies not hierarchy, the respondent responds all teaching/learning is hierarchical.

B: We must accept the premises as true so the argument did not assume that methods in math are as effective in other disciplines. It's an illustration of the premise. Eliminated.

C: Irrelevant to Respondent's argument. We are only talking about whether hierarchy is a strength or a weakness.

D: This is correct. They are talking about two different kinds of hierarchy. The first is lecturer to student hierarchy, the second is simple to complex material hierarchy!

E: Again, must accept premises as true.

Found the correct flaw! They're talking about TWO different kinds of hierarchy! Woo.

Wow. In the 30 minute process of typing this post, I figured it out. If this isn't a good advertisement for a damn good blind review process, I don't know what is. I started out defending A was correct, realized it was wrong, and figured out D was correct. Woo!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-16/

Hello All,

I upgraded from premium to the ultimate+ course, and I plan to retake the LSAT in December. Do you recommend I re-do all the course material or just the additional problem sets?

Thanks,

Kristen