Hey guys,

I'm sure many of you have seen this before, but I came across this article while I was taking a study break and thought I would share. Just a fun little logic game. :)

https://qz.com/863349/the-single-best-interview-question-for-pretty-much-any-job-in-tech/

I just wrote my Yale 250 in 3rd person. Is that weird? It's an argument about the origin of jazz music.

Hey All,

So I know I am probably about the 9,000th LSATer to say this but....RC is by far my worst section. I have come to a point in my studies where I am super frustrated because I consistently miss a ton of questions for two reasons in particular:

1) I go too slow and I don't get to finish the section;

or

2) I go too fast and miss a ton of important details.

Both of these unfortunate results yield anywhere from -8 to -11...I've tried apps to allow me to read quicker (which work to an extent...but then I have the whole missing details issue), I've tried notating, I've tried not notating, I've skipped questions, etc. I feel like I've tried everything with little improvement.

I also will admit that I enjoy nothing about RC. I will review LR and LG questions all day, but RC really brings my mood down.

I also will admit that I think a huge factor in this is anxiety. I know how poorly I do on RC, so I begin the section already nervous and as the section goes on, as I come across the inevitable "hiccups," I panic.

So tips for RC and tips for dealing with anxiety during the section are much appreciated!

I hope I can explain this

1)I fully understand how to convert any sentence into Sufficient and Necessary conditions

2)Where I am having problems is identifying whether the sentence is supplying sufficient conditions for something or if it is supplying necessary conditions for something

3)What I am hoping to understand is the actual grammar breakdown for why it is the way it is

4)below are some examples from a book. what makes a sentence a "sufficient sentence" and what makes a sentence a "necessary sentence"... is it based on "what the main subject of the sentence is" is it based on the predicate verb? what is the actual fundamental grammar rules that dictate this. Yes i know if you say it out loud you would figure it out. but I am trying to understand from a pure grammatical perspective. Thankyou

You don’t deserve praise for something unless you did it deliberately

Deserve Praise for something --> you did something deliberately

Necessary condition

Doing something deliberately is a necessary condition for deserving praise for something

If you do something deliberately then you deserve praise for it

Do something deliberately ->you deserve praise for it

It would be saying that doing something deliberately is a sufficient condition for deserving praise for it

I just upgraded from Starter to Ultimate+ and I'm really close to the end of the curriculum. Now a bunch of additional problem sets have appeared (Necessary Assumption has like 20!). I'm curious if those of you who have either upgraded partway through or always had Ultimate+ do all of the problem sets, or are you saving some for review once you start PTing?

For each of the LR sections, what might the general proportion of very hard and hard (4 and 5 dots on the difficulty scale) to medium and easy questions?

Hi Guys,

I have noted a direct contrast between principle and MBT.

Take these 2 questions for example:

MBT: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-2-question-23/

Principle: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-2-question-11/

In the former one, anything that can be pushed out works as long as it abides to the principle within the stimulus.

However, of the latter one, when you are asked to draw a principle from the question, the right answer is best to cover 100% of the text. As by this logic, answer choice B is inferior than D solely because B only covered 50% of the argument while D covered all of them.

Hi Guys,

Can you guys please help me take a look if my analysis on B & C is correct? https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-17-section-3-question-08/

The question is very much like a SA question. The answer choices can be quickly eliminated by a match principle into the sufficient condition. However, I think we can expand on this problem more.

A is correct. So won't go into detail about it.

B. The sentence is wrong based on 2 reasons. The first reason is by putting the conclusion as the sufficient condition. Even if we were to change the answer into: If election campaigns are to be funded from public funds, it will allow politian to devote less time asking for money than serving the interest of the public, this is still wrong because it is formulated into a C-->P Relationship, while what we are looking for is P-->C relationship.

C is wrong because it talks of a different set that we do not know. Had this question be translated into an Inference MBT Except question, the asnwer choice then is correct.

D. is wrong based on 2 counts. The first count is of the same reason as B by messing up the location of the conclusion into the suffcient condition. But in addition to it that the question steam mix in an unrealted element. Evne if we have deleted that related element from the sentence, it is still incorrect and not 50% correct due to the location issue with the conclusion statement.

If we were to extent this answer choice's analysis a bit further.

Suppose that in this case, the answer choice for A is wrong too. But D is formulated in the following fashion: "if public funding of some activity produces a benefit to the public but also inevitably a special benefit for specific individuals, the activity should be fully funded by the public while the special interest taker group contributes proportionally more".

In this answer choice, iff answer choice is made wrong in other fashion. D will be correct on 2 counts. 1) The sentence is 50% correct. Although it do have irrelevant items in it but part of the argument goes through along with our principle. 2) It is the most correct answer in comparison with the rest of the answer choice.

Had LSAT do this, then the question's difficulty is pushed to a level 4 or 5 difficulty.

E. is wrong because it like C speaks of another different set of population that is above this univerise. Again, it can become a correct answer choice if it is an MBT Inference Except question.

For those who have a math or econ or business background.

We learned that of any financial or math model, there are 2 kinds of variables-Endogenous and Exdogenous. And from macro-econ or Linear Algebra, the change of an endogenous variable does not change the model it self, as such, moving from X to X' is only a result of Y to Y'. And it does not move us to Z to Z', which needs the introduction of an exdogenous variable into the equation.

The exact same method is applied here.

By the question steam, you are able to formulate a principle, or a math equation, and the math equation only applies in this particular set of population-the population of dangerous activity.

Furthermore, if you think of dangerous activity be on your x axis and tax as on the y axis, the fact that dangerous activity does not result in tax on those activity can be thought as a correlation set where you can denote a +1 or - 1direction.

As such, by the question steam, "by the same token", we plug in variables, as we know that these are endogenous and push out a Y'.

Answer choice D perfectly describes the result of MBT from this answer choice while answer choice B does the opposite.

Answer choice A/E describes 2 phonomena. Answer choice E describes "food and shelter", which are variables that cannot be accounted for. And answer choice A "nonessential sports equipment and recreational gear" describes another market or population set. As you know, we cannot slap an equity valuation model onto an alternative asset valuation model, they are simply different kind of assets.

I couldn't have done it without you, 7Sage. I love you all!

I took the December exam and scored within my PT range, although on the lower side of it (worst LG performance in months).

I am committed to applying this cycle and my LSAT score is at the median or 1-2 points below most schools I am applying to.

Is it worth it to sit for the February exam for what would realistically be a 0-3 point improvement,?

My GPA is at or above the median for all schools that I am applying to. Any thoughts appreciated! And congrats to all who took the test!

I decided to apply to law school late last summer, so I had to learn the LSAT on a short schedule from early August - December 4th.

However, I now know that I did not study enough to hit my target score (172 or above). Therefore, I will be retaking in June and shifting my applications to the next cycle.

Final Score: 169 (I took in Asia.. no details other than my raw score are available at this point)

Problems:

- Adjusting for vacations, studied for about 14 weeks total

- Did not address fundamental weakness in Logic Games

- Failed to fall asleep before test day, resulting in 3 hours of sleep the night before the test

- On test day, I felt ill from nerves and lack of sleep

- Bombed LG and was forced to blindly guess on at least 6 questions

Upside:

- Did not give up during the test

- Resisted urges to cancel score

- Probably performed very well on LR and RC

- I know to take a sleep aid the next "night before"

Overall, this is the score I deserved. When I walked out of December, I was 90% sure I wanted to cancel, but now I'm glad I have a real score on my record. I can do a post-mortem and figure out how I reacted to real test conditions.

Thanks to everyone at 7sage for supporting me during the early stages of my (now ongoing) studying :)

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Hey guys, I'm just wondering where i indicate that i plan to take the FEB LSAT on my applications. I took the DEC LSAT and got a score I'm fairly happy with. However, i think that i can do better since i had 0 sleep the night before so I'm planning on taking it again in FEB but i want to send in my apps this weekend. Some schools I'm applying to give me the option to indicate whether or not I'm taking the FEB LSAT but others don't so I'm wondering where I can indicate this on my apps? thanks guys

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-30-section-4-question-15/

Hi guys,

Is there an error in this question? There is a historical LSAT question that I am...disagreeing with: PT30-S4-Q15. PSA.

The question, rewrote, consists of:

P1: Too large or too small of class size is bad.

P2: Very light or very heavy faculty work load is also bad

C: Crowded classes and overworked faculties are bad.

In general, I feel the argument's conclusion is valid. "Large class size", reference to "crowded classes" ,and "heavy faculty workload", reference to "overworked faculties", are both bad.

What is wrong with just taking 50％ from each premise and concluding something from it?

However, above this, I see another gating point, which is the answer.

The correct answer is "very small class sizes or very light workload" are also bad. While, I feel that, in order to arrive at this premise as a needed one, we need to have something like "if the school's both class room and faculty workload is at medium level, then it is good". Right?

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Panda

If I enroll in premium but felt the need for more, is it possible to upgrade to ultimate? (like the LSAT course, which you just pay for the difference between the courses)

Thank you.

This is probably a silly question...but I *may* have a third LOR coming in next week, but will be ready to submit apps by the end of this week. Should I hold until I have that third one ready, or can I submit now and let that come in later?

Hello!

It was about a month ago that I first broke into the 170s on practice tests (sadly, just after taking my December test on which I only managed a 165) where something finally clicked and I started going from -9s to -2s and -3s on LG. It seems like a few hard logic games can really trip me up and bring my score back down, so I'm drilling as many of them as possible until the February test so that they feel as natural as breathing, hopefully.

In the mean time, though, I still miss between 2 and 4 on each logical reasoning section, sometimes losing as many as 8 combined between them! I'd like to figure out how to move forward, but I don't think I'm missing any particular concept. Parallel reasoning is a pain to do, but the questions I seem to miss seem to only fall into one of two categories: 1. I read an easy question incorrectly and missed a point or 2. It's the sort of question where I go back and STILL can't get the right answer. I can always sort of SEE why the correct answer is correct, but I don't usually take away any general principle from the wrong answer other than maybe that a particular word was too strong or something, or some assumption I didn't pick up on.

Can anyone recommend a way to move forward and use this review time wisely? I worry that I can review and review on logical reasoning and never learn the new things I would need to get that 175+ score that I'm hoping might still be possible? Maybe?

(side note: no worries on RC, I only ever missed one or two in that section, even in diagnostics. I'm mostly focused on drilling the heck out of LG and polishing my LR abilities.)

I think some of us could use some inspiration ;)

This was my first time taking the LSAT and I scored a 160. It's not what I hoped, but I know I wasn't ready. I missed 26 questions but twelve of them were LG. So, if this was your second or third time, I'd love to hear how you improved! Thankfully, I had already planned on sitting out this cycle. I don't plan on retaking until my average is at or above a 171. So please, if you improved, let me know - and tell me how you did it!

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I'm wondering if anybody else is having issues with their "quick view" feature from the question bank not loading? I use this feature a lot for drilling Logic Games.

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To all of you who are still preparing: Be courageous to take on the tough challenge. It will take you through many lows. Don't stop moving forward. The skills you cultivate will be with you long after the LSAT is gone.

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Hi all,

After looking through the UGPA/LSAT score search feature on LSAC, I am discouraged that even with a hypothetical 180, my GPA brings my chances of getting into the top schools down significantly.

Is it true that a high LSAT cannot compensate for a lower than average (based on school) GPA?

After studying for 1.5 years this frustrating journey has come to an end for me.

Sadly, I don't have any uplifting LSAT stories to tell, since after deciding to delay a year, and studying for an extra year has led to only a mediocre increase from my Dec. '15 LSAT.... which is incredibly frustrating. Maybe it was nerves/test anxiety, maybe it was the testing facility, maybe I'm just really, really bad at taking standardizes tests (most likely this), but I've decided to end my journey here. I gave it hell, and that's all I could do.

I'm posting this to let the people who also did not do well know that this is not the end of the world, and you're not alone. Have a good cry, and pick yourself right back up. Let this be the fuel to your fire.

If you have it in you to delay a year or two and increase your score to your maximum potential, you should absolutely do it and I wish you all the best in the world! Don't let this test beat you down. You are not your score.

Due to various circumstances in my life, I can not delay going to school another year, and am just going to give it my best shot and hope to get into one of my desired schools (hopefully with some scholly).

The 7Sage community really gave me strength and optimism throughout this journey, and I want to thank you all who listened to me, gave me some sound advice, and for your kindness. The kindness and positivity on this Forum is really rare and special. To all you fine people I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you! To all the newcomers on this Forum, stick around, kids. It's worth it.

If you ever need a friend to talk to, have questions about the LSAT, applications, or just need to vent, I've always got an open ear for you! We're all in this together, and we'll come out stronger together.

This is not good bye, but rather thank you and talk to you soon! <3

I am having a difficult time trying to organize when and where the terms "some," "many," or "sometimes" can be used correctly or not, and this question came across my mind. Would my line of reasoning be correct if answer choices B, C, and E be wrong (not strengthen the argument) even if the wording of the answer choices be changed to corroborate the argument in the stimulus while leaving the words "some" and "many" intact? Would the answer choices be wrong simply because of "many" and "some"?

For instance, if we were to change C to read: Some automobile passengers whose inner ears indicate that they are *not* moving and who have a clear view of the objects they are passing get motion sickness

would this answer choice still not strengthen the argument? In other words, if the argument in the stimulus stated "We hypothesize that A -> B," and an answer choice stated "some A-> B," would the answer choice strengthen the argument?

Usually whenever I see "some" or "many" I become very cautious... now I'm having real difficulty in finding how "some" or "many" can be used correctly to become the correct answer choice... Any help would be great!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-27-section-1-question-18/