I usually get 3-4 wrong in each LR section..and I got 4 wrong in 2nd section and 8 wrong in 4th...

Anyone experienced the same thing???

hello all ,

I've sort of resigned myself to the fact that i probably wont hit my goal score of 158-60 on test day but its to late to postpone.. I'm registered for feb but I'm feeling a little cynical about December. I've already applied to a few schools so I'm sort of locked in.

what would all of you recommend for someone whose scoring 10/23 on LG? a mixed bag of timed games?

most of the time my achilles is simply my nerves. i get paralyzed when i see a hard game and all the fundamentals seem to slip away.

thanks

Dear Jeff (Creasey),

Each question stem will present a job for you to do. Simply do that job, nothing more, and nothing less. Do not do what it is not asking you to do. Stick to the scope of the arguments, be methodical in your approach, and trust your intuitions. You spent a great deal of time fine-tuning your fundamentals and mechanically answering questions. Trust this, trust JY (Belichick), stay focused, and be a beast.

Love,

Yourself

So my government issued ID has a photo of me with longer hair, so I look a little different. It isn't expired or anything and the photo was taken last year, do you think it is anything to worry about? My admission ticket has a recent photo of me so not worried about that one...thanks and good luck tomorrow!!!

Hello,

So how do you know you have a realistic goal?

How do you know you reach your ceiling and cannot actually improve anymore but still hope so (=unrealisitc)?

I mean...I want to know when to "give up" and just take the test...

For some people, I think it's not true that if you devote time and effort you can get any score you want.

Some people may be able to do so, but it may take 5 years, who knows. But then I wonder...does it worth it when you think about the cost and return? (and the return is not sure until you get the score)

When I read some threads here, it is encouraging, but also sometimes feel not sure about "when is the best timing to take the test."

It seems people recommend to take the test when you are ready, but when is it?

It can be years later, you may extend&extend&extend...feeling it's not the right time and you can still improve.

And when you turn back, you may feel "since I devoted so much effort and time, I have to get good score, otherwise, I wasted so many things" etc.

I'm afraid this can happen...

So, I'd like to know how to know you have a decent target score or not, so that I don't have to expect too high and study realistically.

Thanks!

I don't understand why answer C can not be correct. Wouldn't the fact that sicily was/was not cold affect the idea that the cold in China had nothing to do with the eruption? If you determine that it was not abnormally cold in sicily that would automatically mean that the eruption was not the cause of the cold in China.

This may be a dumb question --- but when I fill in "Print Name" and "Date" on my admission ticket, should I type it into the PDF before I print? Or can I hand-write it like the signature?

Finally, do we just need proper photo ID and the first page of our admission ticket when we check into the test? do they need the rest of the ticket?

Hey guys, I'm just wondering if i can take a protein shake in powdered form with me to the test and then fill it with water and drink it during the break. I feel like that's allowed as long as it fits in the ziplock but i just want to be sure.

Do y'all think it's worth spending the extra 5-10 seconds to reset your watch to 12 at the start of each section? I do wish I'd done more PT's with an analog watch instead of my phone timer, but oh well.

I have tried many different approaches for RC. I am averaging only 65/70% correct and it is taking me overage of 14 min. to finish passages.

Can you please give me some pointers. I am starting to panic!

P.S. I have reviewed RC videos and have completed the first set of RC passages. I do not want to go further in RC without correcting what am doing wrong. VERY UPSET!

So I printed my ticket today and I have to that it looks bad. You can tell that it is me but an inch of my chin is missing and small part of the crown of my head is as well. I wish I could post a picture on here so I could get some advice

Hey ’Sagers.

Here's my situation: I’m 12 PTs in, and I’m scoring generally between high 160s and low 170s (BR usually 178-179). I was hoping to take the exam in December, and my target score is 175+. I am not there, most of all because of LG.

I’m all over the place with LG, and generally way, way under where I want to be, which is starting to unnerve me because I was planning to sit for the exam in six weeks. I’m missing -0 to -8 (last PTs: -4, -2, -0, -8, -7, -7), generally riding these sections out as a pencil-gripping emotional mess, usually not getting to every question and missing others. I’m headed back to review in/out games, lessons I guess I rushed through initially, which is probably why these games in particular are a challenge. I foolproof every game and then go back and do the entire LG section at once to get a feel for proper timing. (Also I should say that I did the foolproof method for every game so far, including those in the core curriculum.) I 'get' the games eventually, it’s the first time around (the, um, one that matters) that I seem to fall apart.

I feel any remaining gains in RC and LR will happen largely through PTing, but also that I should hold off on burning through LG sections until I am more confident on games. So my plan as of right now is to continue to take PTs, skipping the LG sections for now, subbing in a section or two from an older test so I can still get a feel for the full length of the exam. That way I can still work on RC and LR and overall strategy. Then, when I feel more confident on LG, I'll catch up on those sections, adding them as a fifth section to my PTs.

I’m also thinking about going through the LSAT Trainer for just games and wondering if it’s too late to start that. Or maybe getting a tutor in NYC. I’m six weeks out from my desired test date. If I postpone until Feb that means waiting another year to apply, or applying very late, both of which I REALLY do not want to do.

I also realize that at this point that if completing 2 PTs/week on average means I will do only about 24 total PTs before 12/3. I want to get the best possible score (like, obvi), so I’m wondering if I should just plan on moving things to February, maybe applying extremely late or just the next cycle. (Again, I do not want to do this.)

So the questions:

1) How does that 6-week strategy sound? ~2 PTs a week, plus LG ‘bootcamp,’ maybe with The Trainer, waiting to do LG sections until I’m more confident [2 weeks, hopefully, which would give me a month to practice on the actual PTs.])

2) Does anyone recommend adding the LSAT Trainer for LG? Could I get through the games chapters in 2 weeks? Or am I just going to add an unnecessary cook into the kitchen?

3) Would the difference between taking roughly 25 PTs vs 40 PTs warrant postponing applying until February or the next cycle?

4) Has anyone worked with a tutor for LG in NYC and had a positive experience? Again, I’m game-proficient, just not within the time constraints of the exam. Ideally I'd want someone to look at what I've done in past exams, maybe watch me do a section, give me feedback.

Thanks!

Thanks for the advice.

Hi all,

I just wanted to wish everyone the best of luck on the December LSAT! Things like this (the LSAT) can be crazy stressful because there appears to be so much riding on it. However, just remember that whether you're feeling confident or stressed as hell, you're going to write the test, you're going to do the absolute best that you can, and at the end of the day that is all you can do :) Never forget that it's just a test and you'll always have more opportunities to improve!

Now go kill it! :D

It's with a heavy heart that I've decided to postpone this whole cycle, I'm going forego writing the December 2016 LSAT in favour of writing the September 2017 LSAT. I'm scoring in my current target range of the mid to high 150s, which would comfortably get me admission into the Canadian schools I wanna go to, but my GPA is so high (3.94) that I feel it would be an injustice to get an LSAT that low. Therefore, I've decided I want to go to Harvard, or Yale, and my GPA is at those standards, but I want to get an LSAT of a similar calibre to that of my GPA.

I've decided to take a little bit of time off, and then start fresh in a few weeks and write in September 2017. I'm going to upgrade to Ultimate + and extend all the way until September 2017.

Inspiration came from Alex Divine's post a while back, HLS, here we come.

I understand. You're going to take an important test. It's not the most important test though. That one is called the February LSAT.

Just kidding. This is likely the last LSAT you'll ever take.

I'm only trying to remind you that for something this important, there are second chances. That's not true for a lot of other important things in life, so that's something to feel good about.

For most of you, you already know what score you'll get. Take your last three recent properly administered LSAT PrepTests (e.g., 77, 78, 79) and average your scores. You'll get plus or minus 3 points of that average.

There is nothing separating you from that score except the mere passing of a few day's time.

You are as prepared as you can be. You have already seen everything those crafty LSAT writers will throw at you and you've amply demonstrated your ability to respond with craftiness of your own.

Saturday will be just another PT day and the December 2016 LSAT will be just another PT. PrepTest 80, in fact, when the LSAC releases it a month from now. And how different could that be from PT 79 and PT 78 and PT 77 and on and on and on.

You are ready.

Even for those few insanely difficult curve breaker questions. Every LSAT has them. Every student who has ever taken the LSAT before you has encountered them. You have encountered them on your PTs and you will encounter them again on Saturday. Do what you've always done: skip. Keep moving.

Good luck!

If you happen to be in NYC, come grab a drink and something to eat on us:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/7sage-post-december-lsat-celebration-tickets-29407211762

I was just wondering...

So is there a sample of writing section?

There is explanation for LG, RC, LR, but I dont see any writing sample...

I know it does not matter, but it's still part of the test so...

anyone knows? :)

Hi Guys,

Week 2 with RC practices. I been doing them along just beginning to learn LG.

So I been doing primarily JY ranking L5 and L4 reading sets. And what I find is the following:

If I take more than 6-8 min on the passage and 6-7 min on questions, I can get an average of -1 on the passage. Never a -0 because the questions are usually very subtle.

But if I take the average reading speed which the average textbook recommend, the mistake obviously goes up.

I don't know what exactly to do with this just because 1) The passage usually require time to understand since it always include a lot of referential phrases, 2) the structure is not clear, 3) the answer choice, which is 1/5, targets a specific sentence in the middle of no where where you have to find it.

So does practice help on this? Should I just continue to focus on with my accuracy oriented practice style until later when PT is up or when I finish the actual learning set?

Your recommendation will be highly valuable.

In JY's breakdown of this statement:

All dinosaurs that hunt its prey can run, swim and fly. Dinosaurs that cannot run, cannot swim or cannot fly are easy to catch and delicious to eat. Nothing can catch the Fastasaurus. He diagrams "Dinosaurs that cannot run, cannot swim or cannot fly are easy to catch and delicious to eat" as R/---> E and D, S/---> E and D, F/---> E and D. When it was actually drawn out R/, S/, and F/ were all stacked and each pointed to a single E and D. But this doesn't make sense to me. Isn't it the case that an "And" in the sufficient should be treated as "A and B----->" and an "And" in the necessary be treated as "A ----->B, A----->C, A-----> D" but in a stacked notation? Why does JY do the opposite? He stacks and separates the sufficient "AND" and makes the necessary "And" linear.

So I feel so stupid, but here is the deal, I've been scoring -6ish on LR, -3-6 on LG and -10ish on RC, generally scoring around a 157 on PTs. So I haven't been using a highlighter on RC and for the first time tonight I did and my score improved drastically (-5). I am planning on taking the LSAT this Saturday, my question is, is using a highlighter for RC a game changer? I honestly feel confident now that I can score in the 160s by using a highlighter on the RC section. Did using a highlighter on RC change anyone else's scores big time? Whooo!!! Good luck 7sagers!!!

Just as the title says---

I think it is listed in the thing we can bring but just wanted to make sure...

and anyone actually use it?

Bring your questions! David, aka Accounts Playable, will be offering office hours this week. David is a wealth of LSAT knowledge, so don't miss the chance to pick his brain!

Office Hours with David

Thu, Dec 1, 2016 6:00 PM - 7:00 PM EST

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I took the curve data from PowerScore from the past few years (https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/correct_targeted.cfm) and used it to "predict" how tough each of the June, Sept/Oct, and Dec LSATs* are. The more questions you can miss to get a 170 the tougher the exam. Here were the results (in order of toughness) with the average, median, and mode number of misses for a 170:

1. December (A: -12, Me.: -12 , Mo.: -14)

2. September/October (-11, -11.5, -12)

3. June (-10.5, -10, -10)

If you want to see the spreadsheet take a look here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R50NrcEHESugADTvR1Xz4MmyMlJpp9oU3GtYP7vRq5Y/edit?usp=sharing). Scroll to the bottom or see sheet 2 for summary chart.

Good luck to my fellow December takers! And for anyone who hasn't signed up yet, maybe take the June exam. :)

*PowerScore doesn't have February data.

So I decided to look on the discussion board to see what the December takers are doing the night before & I stumbled onto a different discussion about the December exam. It's REALLY screwed up how some people on here are writing negative things about the December exam just days before the exam. The people who are taking the December exam are nervous enough, with millions of thoughts going through their heads. How about being a little more suppportive & having more positive vibes for those taking the LSAT on Saturday.