Hi All,

I've heard a few perspectives about using PTs in different ways for studying for the Big Day. Considering that my full-time job is unpredictable (I may have to work 10-11 hour days without being notified until 4p each day), I was thinking recently that in order to prep for the October LSAT, it may be just more reasonable for me to "churn" through the PTs untimed (e.g., after work if I'm not fried, during lunch, on the weekend, etc.) and then "re-take" them with the proctor app on the weekends.

I've heard some people argue that it's a bad idea to use the same material twice (or more) because you may "remember" certain questions/answers, which would ultimately skew your score. However, we don't have an infinite number of PTs published, so there's not really somewhere else that I can "go" for additional testing/practice materials. The intent would be that I don't necessarily take the same PT on the weekend that I worked on casually during the workweek, so there would be very little chance of short-term memory transference.

Ideally, I wanted to take a timed LSAT each Saturday up until October, but I'm more worried about actually digging into the PTs to diagnose weaknesses and then circle back on 7Sage material, rather than making my way through the entire course (I bought the mid-range package) and jamming a bunch of PTs into my life right before October and freaking out about how much I suck.

Any thoughts from people in a similar situation [or not]?

Thanks

YJ keeps saying not to erate, but rather to copy the entire game board over. That just seems super slow to me, especially when space is limited. Take a simple sequence game. If the rules put S in 5, I'll put S in slot 5 and draw a square around it to remember that it's there by definition. I'll work the question and when done, erase the question specific markings. Its quick.

But I assume there is a reason the experts say to avoid that approach.

Today marks the official 4 weeks countdown for the U.S/Canada. Who's ready for this?

any advice for getting out of the mid 150's? My last 4 PT's have been 155-156, with a highest of 157. My LR average is 15-19, LG average 17-20, RC average 15-17. Was there anything you guys did differently that pushed you into 160's?

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/obama-says-law-school-should-be-two-years-not-three/?_r=0

If you're just finishing the first logic lesson, and want to practice memorizing the logical indicators, and translating english into lawgic (or if you just want to practice either of those generally), I made a spreadsheet that does both that I thought I'd share if anyone's interested.

One tab has a list (that can be randomized on command) of all the logical indicators, and a field for you to type in what each introduces. It will tell you if you got it right, and has the option to display the correct answer if you get it wrong (or not). You can then randomize it and keep practicing.

The other tab has a 40 simple sentences to translate into lawgic (they're from pp. 257-258 of the Trainer; I didn't come up with them myself. If that somehow infringes a copyright or something somebody tell me and I won't share it). You input what you think the sentence means, and it will tell you if you get it right (accepts translation and contrapositive of translation*), again with the option to display the correct answer if you get it wrong.

I find it helps to actually write (albeit on the computer) out answers rather than using flashcards, and just repetitively practicing is helpful to drill out the need to think through this stuff. And you can get away with it at work, perhaps, because it's a fancy spreadsheet. I may have made it at work myself. And I have a weird love affair with Excel. So if you have Excel and would like study tool PM and I'll send it to you.

*I'm excessively proud of my Excel formulas to accomplish this, so if you're a fellow Excel nerd, please put me in my place.

EDIT:

Go to this link:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2s1NBaQLrnIVXNtVGJuQTJ0bFk&usp=sharing#grid

If you want the spreadsheet. The demand for this thing has exceeded my willingness to send individual emails to everyone.

I have been working on my RC for some time now, and while I usually get around 8 wrong on each PT, I only got -4 on PT 44. Is the RC on PT 44 just as difficult as other PTs, or is it easier? I'm just wondering whether this score is indicative of my improvement in RC.

After "Introduction to sequencing games 3", t would be really handy to have a lesson that focused on resequencing these diagrams. The first three do a fine job of explaining how to draw them, how to interpret them and how to pair them down, but don't really cover what to do when the question dictates a premise change.

I suppose to some its obvious but when I did the first LG of the four that are called for in "problem set 1" I found that I didn't have a clear understanding of what could be moved where, which lines could be abandoned and so on. Maybe I was overthinking the questions (I overthink everything) but it confused me a bit.

Just a thought!

I am finding that it's the cunning use if switches (or rather, the lack thereof) that is killing my score on the LG sections. I'm hoping that the act of putting this issue on the discussion board (and maybe having a nice discussion about it) will help me from forgetting to use them in the future. Please feel free to discuss.

I can't seem to find a concrete answer to this..

Hello everyone, hope all is well; I am writing this post after taking a PT, (my 8th total), and i am literally heart broken.

After spending the last year pushing like iv'e never pushed before, I was able to graduate at the end of the summer while taking 25 units in the spring and another 12 units over the summer. To say the least, I finally graduated and got my bachelor's in Sociology from a CSU.

In September, I signed up for the Blueprint LSAT Prep course offered at their original location, by the original founder. working 10 hours a day (8AM-6PM), and putting MY ALL into this prep class, I reached a point where i realized that there is absolutely no possible way to take the December LSAT and score good. I simply wasn't ready; I studied every single day, 7 days a week (6 hours on a day on weekdays, 12-14 hours a day on weekends), The class FLEW by, the instructor was expecting WAY too much, and everything was a complete blur. I worked my BUTT off to save the 1,500.00$ required to pay for that class.

So i rescheduled for the February LSAT, and extended my access for another 350.00$; Realizing, AGAIN, that I am nowhere near my target score (165+) that I need in order to go to any T20+ school (my LSAC GPA is in the gutter.. horrible 2.62), I RESCHEDULED AGAIN. Another heart-breaking moment for me and everyone else around me. At this point, my parents (my father, a VERY hard to please person, works for the department in the US Gov.. can't say which) were completely disgusted with this delay, I was (and still am!) impatiently waiting to start law school and make my dream come true; I so upset at myself that I did not know what to do.

So, what did i do? I quit my 65,000$+/year job, put all my savings towards my bills, hired a private tutor that costs an arm and a leg, buckled down, and made this my top priority for the past 4 months. I have been studying ALMOST EVERY single day, taking 1 or 2 days off a week, and meeting with the tutor at least once a week. while studying, my tutor gave me a study schedule:

by the end of April- We will be completely done with all the material, and we will start doing Practice Tests. 2 weeks before doing practice tests, I started drilling entire sections. i was getting -6/-8 on each section when i was drilling by question or by section; suddenly, when i started PT'ing, my scores are in the gutter.

Today, at of my 8th PT, i have not been able to score higher than a 153. i am completely devastated by the lack of progress made. I've been blind reviewing every single test, I have been going over every single question until I could verbally tell you the question with one breath of air.

Everyone, I seriously do not know what to do anymore. i cannot postpone this exam further. June is my date! My games are not great at all, my LR foundation is solid as heck, I can easily identify assumptions/flaws, but for some reason that is beyond me i cannot break past a 151!

someone out there please save me and please tell me what to do

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Can someone please explain if there is a logical difference between "many" and "most?" I remember reading or watching in one of the logic lesson videos that there is a difference between "too many" and "most" because the former is a subjective statement. For example: "There are 'too many' social programs in the USA..." would be a subjective statement because Obama might not think there are, whereas Rand Paul might think there are. It's a matter of perspective.

Does this also extend to "many?"

Does Many = some or most? Or neither?

Hey guys! =) I'm still pretty new to the LSAT community but I was wondering if you guys could help me out here. I just became a mom 8 months ago, graduated undergrad a year ago with intentions of being in law school by now and I now work 12 hr night shifts as a respiratory therapist! Annnnd needless to say like the rest of u lovely people, I too still want to go to law school. Lol BUT I am having the hardest time. I do study But the only time I seem to be able to do that is inbetween my rounds at work around 2-4 am! I don't get a whole lot of studying done during the week but I do retain and practice the little bit that I do. Before my son was born I was a zen at studying. I would stop at nothing until the job was done no matter what! But now I can't put the same amount of effort in. I find it impossible to play with my baby during the day, work nights, wake up every 4 hours at night to feed my son on my days off with few or no naps, and still have the energy to study LSAT. By the time I get to it on my days off I am exhausted and I recap the same concept 300 times before I'm able to move on. I guess I just need encouragement...sometimes it feels like I'm moving so slow that I will never get there. I am saving up for my 7sage course (things keep getting in the way of me actually purchasing it smh) so right now I am using the kaplan premier book. Hopefully once I get my 7sage course I can save time and energy by not having to read such dry prose at 4 am. I guess I would like to know how you all do it? How can you lead normal lives and still devote time to the LSAT in an effective and time efficient manner?

What are some important things to do during the last month of the LSAT...?

Interesting commentary on the cost of law school, purpose vs. payoff, and why anyone would want to open a new law school ...

"What happens when you lower tuition and admissions standards, then let cowboys and single mothers hit the books? UNT Dallas College of Law aims to find out."

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2015/may/unt-dallas-college-of-law-little-law-school-that-could

I can't seem to find the answers to preptests 1-35 logic games. When the PDFs were taken down, were the answers also taken down? I can't check my answers to those sections! Am I missing them somewhere?

Hi Everyone,

I'm curious to hear about any stories of significant score improvement. When I say significant, I mean a good 10-15+ point improvement in score (not raw). I took the LSAT in 2013 after cramming for 45 days and during a major time of transition (quit my toxic full-time job, started my own contracting business that sometimes involved driving 120mi daily, relocated, etc.).

Yes, 45 days was dumb. My equation was that I self-studied for the GRE for about the same amount of time and got into the #1 ranked school (at the time) for my master's.

GRE ≠ LSAT

As you may imagine, my score was relatively disastrous and three points less than my lowest expected (hoped for?) score. I'm planning to sign up for the October LSAT, and I'm not feeling very confident. I have yet to apply to any law school.

Thanks

Hey everyone!

Nevermind ... lol

I started out in early November with a 144 diagnostic and have been on a very slow and steady process of trying to understand all this logic AND learn games, I was a noob at games, hard. Anyway yesterday i took June 2008 PT54 and scored a 154 with a blind review of 167! (my best score thus far and my best blind review score by 5 points) things are finally starting to click and I just want to give a REAL LIVE SHOUTOUT to JY and Jon for this website being cheap and easy to access! I made a 148 on my February score which i wasnt ready to take, in an attemmpt just to try and get in this fall, and now i wish i wouldve waited bc my school is leting me retake it for June! Hoping this last month keeps enlightening me and i'm gonna do my best to To get in this fall, if not I KNOW FOR A FACT I WILL DO BETTER AND BETTER WITH 7SAGE's METHODS!!!

How many preptests and reviews did it take for you to overcome your first major plateau? I have increased an average of 12 points from my first cold test thanks to 7sage. I have been stuck in the high 150's and low 160's for 9-10 PrepTests. What is usually recommended in order to make the next step?

I am just getting into the LG bundle and would ideally like to complete it in three weeks. With my work schedule, I can devote six hours a day.

Is this realistic? Right now progress is slow as its all new but, my guess is that my average time per game will speed up as my skills grow. I can only manage one four-game section or perhaps two each day right now.

Will this likely get quicker? If I can learn the bundle in three weeks, I will remain on my schedule.

Hey guys, we're proud to announce that David Busis is our new Editor and we're working together to redesigning the personal statement course.

To aid in the redesign, we're looking to put together a diverse profile of personal statements to use in the course as instructional material. Therefore, we'd like for you to submit your personal statements. If your statement is chosen, we'll help you through some or all of the rewriting process to arrive at a polished final statement. This will come at no cost to you but we'd like to use your (anonymized) drafts as instructional content.

You have to be enrolled in a 7Sage Starter or higher course and have our existing Personal Statement course to submit for this.

Submission

If you'd like to submit, please email dillon@7sage.com (1) your PS draft (2) your undergrad institution, year, degree, gpa (3) your LSAT score if you have it already and (4) your basic demographic info. Please use subject "Personal Statement Submission".

If you have questions, please ask away!

Here's the hello from David himself:

I’m David, a professional writer and editor, and I’m currently redesigning 7Sage's personal statement course. I am a graduate of Yale, where I received a prize for excellence in the English major, and the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, where I received a teaching fellowship. My nonfiction has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic online. My fiction has won two national contests, received notable mention in The Best American Short Stories 2014 and been anthologized by Autumn House Press. I've taught English and writing at Phillips Academy Andover, the University of Iowa and Southern New Hampshire University. I’m a member of Blurb’s Dream Team of editors and the Editorial Freelancers’ Association. I’ve also been through the law school application wringer myself: I was admitted to Harvard and Yale Law School before I decided to pursue editing.

I'm looking at getting this tablet, mainly so I can study on the go. Has anyone any experience using 7Sage on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 4? Are 7Sage videos and the app compatible? I never owned a tablet before, which is why I am a bit worried about that. If it's not compatible, I won't bother with it. Thanks in advance.

Hello,

I am just confused about the whole system because I just realized that I am unable to download the pdfs anymore due to LSAC's ban. I see that Cambridge has what they call the "Ultimate LSAT Bundle"- it includes 1-70 PTs , organized by type. Is this worth it? Should I simply purchase the prep tests that I need to complete 7 sage course materials and 36-71 PTs?

Please enlighten me!

Hello everyone! this is my first post, as I am about to start studying for the October LSAT. A lot of you mentioned that the Trainer and Cambridge Drilling Packets are very useful but I'm curious as to how you all incorporated that into your 7sage course? I'm thinking of purchasing them so let me know!

Thanks!