I am wondering whether I should withdraw from the December test or to go ahead and just take it. My pt scores are around 168 and with my gpa below the medians at HYS, I need a 172 at least. I am hoping maybe the adrenaline of test day will give me a 5 point boost at least. Tonight I was -7 on the two LR sections combined, -3 on LG and -3 on RC. On test day, can I get to -2 on LR combined and -1 on RC and LG? Or should I swallow my pride and keep plugging away till June? I was planning on applying next fall anyway so there is no particular rush. But I thought I could get the test done now with 172+ score and confidently approach next fall's cycle. What do you wise folk think?

For example:

if N or M is selected, S is out.

Since or is in the sufficient condition, N and M are INDEPENDENTLY sufficient for S. So does that mean we can have just N selected, just M selected or both selected?

Also another example:

If S is out, N or M is selected.

Since or is in the necessary condition, N and M and JOINTLY necessary for S. What does that mean? Does that mean we need N and M BOTH to be selected? We can't have just N or just M selected? I'm so confused about this concept when applying to logic games... Please help, thanks!

Hi all!

My course says it's expiring on Dec. 4th. Does that mean I'll be able to access material on the 4th, or only until the 3rd?

Thanks! :)

Hey guys!

I just recently joined 7sage. I was originally planning on applying this cycle, but after taking the LSAT in October and getting a low score, I decided to take the December test. Well, December is here and guess what? I'm not ready! So I decided to postpone my applications for a year and focus on the LSAT. I'm planning on taking the June LSAT and applying for the Fall 2017 cycle. Anyone on the same boat? I need to kick up my prep a notch and I thought joining a community like 7sage would be helpful. You all seem very nice and welcoming! It seems like people enjoy the BR Groups (I'm still trying to learn the lingo around here.. lol).

A little about me:

Graduated from USC this past May, 22 years old and working at a Labor and Employment Law firm in Downtown LA.

I'm a URM and I'm the first to graduate college and apply to law school, so this is all new to me.

Some difficulties I've been having on the LSAT recently:

Well, I seem to be able to hyper-focus on sections and improve my score notably, but my other sections fall behind. I just can't seem to hold my best scores for all sections at the same time!

Some materials I've used:

LSAT Trainer

Logical Reasoning Bible

Blueprint LSAT Prep (Full in-class course)

Blueprint to Logic Games

Do you guys have any words of wisdom? I hope to get to know all of you guys throughout this journey!! Feel free to reach out!

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Does anyone else think this PT was particularly difficult? It seemed like there were a ton of questions that more people put the wrong answer than the right, and I usually don't see that many on the LSAT Analytics like that. The RC really threw me off, and the second LR section. I'm taking the Dec test, and I guess I want to see if it's really just me.

Hello,

I am taking the December LSAT. This week I plan on taking PT72 and PT 74 I am debating if I should take PT75 OR PT76 as my last PT for the week. PT76 is a great indicator of how I might score on the December test, but I have been unable to find explanations for the test thus far. Should I take PT75 since I can just buy the 7sage explanations?

Thank you,

I'm taking the December LSAT this weekend in Munich, Germany. I foolishly assumed my test would be in the morning, but it turns out I don't have to be there until 2pm. Does anyone have any advice as to how I should spend my morning/lunch? Should I wake up early to study? Practice a few sections? Drink coffee? Relax and walk around town? Any insight is much appreciated.

From the stimulus, I got two conditional statements:

1) knowingly brings about misfortune --> should be blamed

2) not knowingly brings about misfortune --> should not be blamed

But because of the "for example" part, am I supposed to add "could not have reasonably have foreseen it" to the sufficient part of the 2nd cond'l statement I wrote above?

Also, Can anyone please explain why (A) is wrong?

Can I interpret "it did not occur to Riley" in (A) as "not knowingly brings about misfortune?"

I have not taken any of the PT's in the 60's or 70's except for PT62. As far as games go I do not want to miss something because I have never even seen a game like it, although I am sure it will still happen. What I mean by this is that the Circle game (for instance) is very unique so I have made sure I really have that game down. Are there any other games types that don't follow our normal set-ups? Also has their been any type of trend for games in the later PT'S? My last week I am really only going over stuff I want to review but am doing games games from Pt's that I have not seen yet in the lower PT Range <30. So anything dire I should see games wise in the most recent 25 PT's?

As always thank you. Hope everyone had a great thanksgiving

Brief background:

Top 10 Public School, right below median GPA for Harvard. Aiming for YHS, trying to lock in CCN or T14 with significant scholarship.

Graduated in June, and currently working as a legal secretary for top 100 biglaw firm. Gained exposure to different practice groups (m&a, securities, real estate, IP litigation, and overall litigation - state and federal courts).

I realized I want to do regulatory work (more specifically in international trade), and work in DC (seeing as to how DC is the center for regulatory work). Would applying to jobs in DC, then gaining work experience in DC (as a legal assistant/paralegal in biglaw or something related to international trade) then studying for the LSAT on the side and going to law school a few years from now make more sense as compared to staying in my current role and locking in a high LSAT in June then applying early next cycle? I feel that the WE as a legal secretary wouldn't be viewed very highly by YHS specifically (even though it is in a biglaw firm) as compared to more specialized WE in a higher role (paralegal or regulatory analyst).

Scored around 167 on PTs, and still have roughly 30 fresh PTs left. Very confident in 170+ LSAT in June, aiming for 175.

Thoughts?

I need a word of encouragement and/or advice. This is embarrassing to me. I passed reading comprehension in elementary school and I took a course in Humanities at both the high school and college levels whereby I passed both classes with ease. However, for both Humanities classes high school and college, reading comprehension was not tested like test questions on the LSAT. I talked to a librarian who informed me that reading comprehension is can be highly opinionated. Furthermore, for inference questions, the answer is usually something that I would have never thought of - way out there in left field. I've tried GRE reading comprehension study guides and have been able to go through the questions with ease all answers correct. However, on a different day in a different mood, I've tried other non-LSAT practice test from other sources whose name I will not mention by means of embarrassment and was not able to get a single answer right. What's happening and what needs to change besides my attitude toward LSAT reading comprehension. I feel totally embarrassed by this, but I am encouraged to know that in reading the discussions that I am not the only person totally upset, frustrated and having problems or issues with reading comprehension. Please help. In my opinion, the basic concept or idea of RC comes from the basic elementary school theory of RC, how well did you understand the material of what you read, "Reading for understanding". For a person who has been speaking and reading the English language for quite some time, several, many years; elementary, high school and college and has passed elementary school, high school and college; how can this be; difficult with wrong answers...??? !!! Again PLEASE HELP or explain.

Hello,

6ish months ago I took my diagnostic and got a 149. Slowly I made my way through the curriculum and last weekend's PT was a 163, BR was at 173. This has been pretty consistent for me (Only 5 PT in). LR was -5/-6 LG was -3 and RC was -8. I need close to if not a 170 to get into the school I am aiming for. I am pretty confident I can get LG down to -1 or 0, but I don't know how much improvement I can make in LR and RC because when I BR'd it took me anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes per question to arrive at the correct answers for questions I circled. Any strategies for LR and especially RC improvement would be appreciated. Looking to write either February or June of 2016.

With 2 months until February, I'm at low 160s(163) most recent. Want to hit 70. I know it's attainable. What's a good schedule to run while not getting burned out? Usually I study every day till i can no longer comprehend a stimulus without being like, "wtf did I just read?!"

Hello-JY mentioned these games are rare. Wondering if there have been any on the more recent administrations of the the LSAT. Thanks

Could anyone explain why D rather than C is correct?

P: (1) most of the new shows produced last year by WW were canceled;

(2) this year's new shows are all police dramas, and few police dramas have been popular in recent years

C: most of this year's new shows will be canceled

To strengthen, we want to make last year and this year more similar. So it is better to find sth like last year's police dramas were cancelled.

C： police drama --> cancelled

D: cancelled --> police drama

I feel both C and D could fulfill the gap.

Purpose of proving grounds: Designed to be so demanding that only those students most committed to being science majors will receive passing grades in these courses.

C: Designing introductory science courses to serve as proving grounds has not served its intended purpose

Premise: Studies show that some of the students in these very demanding intro courses who are least enthusiastic about science receive passing grades in these courses.

There is a gap here between "most committed to being majors" and "least enthusiastic about science."

What if those who are least enthusiastic are most committed to being science majors and passed the course? That would destroy the author's argument because the sole premise now becomes irrelevant.

However, I feel D is more like a sufficient assumption rather than necessary assumption. Let's negate D : some of the students who are least enthusiastic are among the students most committed to being science majors. However, with this negation, there are still two possibilities: (1) least enthusiastic +most committed + passed the course; (2) least enthusiastic + most committed+ not passed the course. So if all the students mentioned in D fall within the second the possibility, the conclusion still stands. So could anyone explain why D is a necessary one as it is broader than what we need.

Just curious figured someone has to know why.

Hi, I would appreciate if anyone could explain why E is correct as now I am confused when could we make assumption in the Lsat.

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Hello,

Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with this argument?

Con: The amount of sleep one gets has minimal correlation to the amount of anxiety and depression he or she feels

Prem: A study showed that the top 5% of sleepers have the same level of anxiety and depression as those who are the bottom 5%

Here's the passage:

A study recently published in a leading magazine showed that, surprisingly, those who are in the top 5 percent in terms of the amount of sleep they get daily, have on average, about the same level of anxiety and depression as those who are in the bottom 5%. This proves conclusively that the amount of sleep one gets has minimal correlation to the amount of anxiety and depression one feels?

What's wrong with this argument and or support?

For those 7Sagers taking the February LSAT, I just want to encourage you to stay strong and never let go of your dream. I'm 57 and will be retaking the LSAT in February as my prior performances in September and December were well below par, but in the meantime today I received my first law school acceptance ahead of the February re-re-take! I didn't even know that any law school would be reviewing my application prior to the February test score being available! Better still, UC Irvine is right up there among my top choices, so I'm thrilled. Perhaps with this acceptance in hand, nerves won't get the better of me on test day and I can help my chances of a healthy scholarship :-) Truly, fellow 7Sagers, if this dream can come true for me with persistence, it can happen for you too (and thanks to 7Sage for all that I've learned and enjoyed learning with you!).

Do any other LSAT retakers have a tale of encouragement to share?

For question 17, I can't differentiate between D and E. For question 18, I got the correct answer via POE, but I don't know what "merely in a matter of degree" means in answer choice C. Can someone translate what that is talking about? Does it mean "quantitatively?" That seems like a weird definition.

Question 17 essentially wants us to support Maritain using something in Passage A. In Passage B, Maritain thinks that animal communication is a conditional reflex and not conscious intent.

Answer D: I see how this answer supports him. Calling causes females to approach and males to retreat. There is no evidence that the frogs do it in order to rely the calling frog's desire/intent to mate nor influence the other frog's behavior. This seems to suggest it is pretty reflexive.

Answer E: But, doesn't this equally support Maritain? The primates don't adjust their call depending on who is there/rely knowledge. Thus, there appears to be no goal/conscious intent either. Doesn't this also suggest that the primate coos and calls as a reflex when it sees food or predators, respectively?

Hi all,

I hope someone may be able to clue me in as to what I'm doing wrong with this problem. This is a MBT.

Special kinds of cotton that grow fibers of green or brown have been around since the 1930s but only recently became commercially feasible when a long-fibered variety that can be spun by machine was finally bred. Since the cotton need not be dyed, processing plants avoid the expense of dyeing and the ecological hazards of getting rid of leftover dye and by-products.

So I understood how to diagram the stimulus. "Spun by machine --> commercially viable"

When I looked at answer choice (B): Green and brown cottons that can be spun only by hand are not commercially viable" I diagrammed it as "Spun by hand --> /commercially viable". In order to get to answer choice (B), you would need to negate the sufficient and necessary which gives "/Spun by machine --> /commercially viable" which is an invalid argument form (mistake in negation).

What am I doing wrong? I am having a hard time seeing how answer choice (B) can be diagrammed as "/commercially viable -->spun by hand" Thanks!

Hi all,

I've been studying since June, and have been scoring fairly consistently into the 170s within the last 3 months. My average is about a 173. Within the last 3 weeks, I've taken LSATs 72, 73, and 74, and I've seen my lowest scores yet (168, 169, and 167, respectively.)

I'm really freaking out about this, and I just can't believe this is a fluke since it's happened over the past 3 tests. My scores on LG for these tests was below average (at least -3) because I thought the games were unusual or tricky. However, I've also seen decreases in my RC (I usually get -2) and LR (I'm getting above -4 now.)

I can't tell if this is burn out, stress, or all of the above, but I need to decide whether I'm taking the test this Saturday. I already postponed taking the October test.

What do you all think?

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