I apologize in advance if this has been addressed already, but I see that the Core Curriculum content has increased in hour to 165 hrs. Is it because the course has split the practice questions in each lessons or are there new materials that I need to review?

Thanks for the advise in advance.

Extremely frustrated! The LSAT has been a relatively long and stressful journey for me. My first 2 attempts I saw little improvement and scored in the mid 150s. But leading up to November, I was feeling great. My prep test range was 167-172! On test day, I felt fine not great. Nothing went especially wrong and I left the test feeling unsure but not like I melted down.

Got my score back and it was 159, just 2 points more than my last take and 8-13 points below my range. I clearly underperformed.

I’m now looking ahead to hopefully my last retake in January. Any advice on how to perform to my potential on test day? The biggest factor I can identify is taking it in person vs. replicating my PT experience remotely.

Proctors: Pretty good overall. Stuck to time, no errors with the alarm (had my own watch so it wasn't really an issue). Friendly and gave clear instructions. Had spare pencils as well.

Facilities: Excellent. This looks like a relatively new building and was very clean. Plenty of bathrooms/water fountains.

What kind of room: Classroom lecture style, seats 100+.

How many in the room: 40ish or so.

Desks: 5 or 6 feet long desks, plenty of space. Chairs are steel case office type chairs (these are around $750 retail) with a lot of options for adjustment.

Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable since these are desks.

Noise levels: none. Room appears to have some sort of noise dampening material, no windows in the room so I assume it wasn't facing street or anything.

Parking: Unknown. Looks like there were some street level parking. I took public transit.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 10 mins or so from advertised start time to actual start time (getting people seated, in the right place etc).

Irregularities or mishaps: none

Other comments: The room I took the test in was very bright; however it was slightly warm and I rather have it a bit colder since you can layer up.

Would you take the test here again? No -- because it is too far from where I live, nothing wrong with the place though.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Oct 2015

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Proctors:

Friendly, but it wasn't very organized so it took a very long time to get everyone sorted into classrooms

Facilities:

Fine

What kind of room:

Large Classroom

How many in the room:

20 something

Desks:

Long table with 2 or 3 people, plenty of room and comfortable chairs

Left-handed accommodation:

N/A

Noise levels:

Fairly quiet

Parking:

N/A

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

Nearly 3 hours

Irregularities or mishaps:

Nothing, besides the late delay and having to count the tests a couple of times

Would you take the test here again?

I would if I knew they'd be more efficient

Date of Exam: 10/3/2015

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Has anyone used Odyssey Logic Games Revolution for LG? Don't get me wrong, 7Sage is Golden for me!! I have ZERO complaints! I love the explanations here but from time to time I need to see things from a different point of view for better understanding. If anyone has used Odyssey is it totally different, or would I be able to merge the two methods when needed? I don't want a new method because that would be confusing. I'm just trying to see if they're comparable.

So as part of my penance for letting the games hurt me in September (PT 73), I'm forcing myself to be super formal in my review as preparation for my December retake. For no particularly good reason, I started with Game 3. I'm working on the others and might post them too. For those who can't wait for JY's far superior explanations and clever quips, here ya go:

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I'm pretty sure this doesn't violate copyright since I'm not including the game stimulus or questions or answers. If I am, please delete. :)

Hi all!

Having taken the LSAT at both Drexel (July 2019) and Temple (2015 December and 2017 February) I thought I would pass along a review for those who are interested. Bottom line: Temple is great, Drexel is terrible.

Temple:

Students are about 15-20 to a room and each has their own table with a chair. You have lots of room for spreading your materials out and the lighting in the room is nice. The chairs are comfortable and there is plenty of leg room. The proctors know what they are doing and it's easy to get in/out, there is a water fountain, and the temperature is appropriate. The parking wasn't an issue either time I went, but those were weekend tests so I would recommend a parking garage for any weekday testing in the future.

Drexel:

One huge auditorium for everyone (60 people?). The auditorium has rows of chairs arranged in three columns (something like 5-10-5 on chair distribution). The geniuses in charge decided to put all of us in the middle column, so that there were four in a row. There is no space to walk out of the middle of the row of chairs without forcing people to fold down their little tables, stand up, and let the person pass. This means that if someone in a middle row needs to use the bathroom during the test, the people on the end will have to put their test away and stand up twice to let them through. When they handed out the test, they made everyone fold down their tables so the person could squeeze through each row of chairs. They then realized they forgot to collect admissions tickets, so they had to do it all over again. Repeat for pre-break and post-break. All in all, it was pretty annoying to have to put your stuff away constantly, especially when they could have put half the test takers on the side columns and thereby created free rows to walk through as proctors. Additionally, the rows are so closely packed together that anyone over 6 feet tall will have serious difficulty being comfortable during the test. I am 5'11" and my back hurt by the end of the test from being in such cramped conditions.

The tables that fold out from your chair are too small for the paper version of the test. The paper extended significantly over the edge, and I broke a pencil tip by accidentally writing off the table. It also necessitated an annoying back-and-forth motion between the answer sheets and the test booklet. I can't even imagine how the tablets are going to fit on these tables with the scratch paper. I think it will prove to be a serious challenge to anyone taking the test there in the future.

The water fountain was also broken at the test center, so there was nothing for people to drink who either didn't bring water or who brought something else (I brought some iced coffee but then had to live with dry mouth for the rest of the exam).

The proctors stamped around as they watched you take the test, and stood VERY close to you when they stopped (I had one basically brushing legs with me at one point).

The room was also insanely cold. I had jeans and a jacket on, and don't get cold easily, and thought it was on the frigid side. I saw one student who only had a t-shirt hugging herself for warmth during the break.

There were also a few semi-inflated helium balloons floating at the ceiling, which could potentially fall on a test taker during the exam. That's not a big deal but it also shows a lack of attention to detail by the test center.

All in all, I would NOT recommend Drexel as a test taking site.

Proctors: Totally kickass! These people are freaking ON POINT. Everything is organized. Rules are all set up. Start to finish setup takes only 45 minutes or so. SO AWESOME!

Facilities: Great. Newish conference center that is not part of the college but rented out to businesses for conferences and whatnot.

What kind of room: Conference hall. Quiet, friendly, great large cushy desk chairs. Plenty of space.

How many in the room: I counted. It was only about 40 or so.

Desks: You are seated at a table, not tiny desks. You have as much room as you need. They seat you with alternating enormous cushy desk chairs, so I could literally have everything all spread out on the desk in front of me.

Left-handed accommodation: I didn't need it, but there would have been no problem for a lefty since the desk goes all the way in front of you.

Noise levels: No problem. The room has very dampened acoustics.

Parking: I didn't drive, but MCCC has plenty of parking. Shouldn't be a problem for anybody.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 45 minutes. I arrived pretty much at 9:30.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments:

I literally sent this exact email to the head of the test center after my test:

Just wanted to thank you guys for being such awesome LSAT proctors! You guys make the test peaceful and low-stress and everything is on point!

Would you take the test here again? I did. And I should point out that I chose not to take it at the test center where I took my first of 3 tests. Instead I traveled 300 miles north to go specifically MCCC. I can't overstate how awesome this test center is!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June and Oct 2015.

The proctor was really good, spoke slowly, and made sure everyone was ready. She didn't rush the test, but gave us a second before starting the timer again before the start of each new section. From time of arrival to test, it took about half an hour to have everything in working order. Everything was in good order, the the room had good lighting and space. The only problem I had was that the clock was too far away for me to be able to tell the time, which was a bit of a disadvantage for me especially since I didn't have an analog watch. There were around 40 people taking the test in that room, and more desks which were relatively comfortable. There weren't any left handed accommodations, they were standard wooden desks separated from each other. Noise level was perfect, nothing disturbing. The college is really really big so hard to find your way around, especially when I went in September 2014, when there was almost no one to ask for directions. There was plenty of parking space. It was a little far for me to get there from Milton, but if it were close by I could definitely test there again in the same environment.

Proctors: professional, efficient, courteous

What kind of room: small lecture hall. no windows. tiered seating. good temperature ~72

How many in the room: probably over 100 available seats but around 30 of us were spaced nicely throughout the room

Desks: frustratingly small flip desks. had trouble keeping all belongings (watch, pencils, etc) on the table comfortably. half the test booklet was hanging off the desk the entire time....pencils kept falling off... extremely distracting and annoying.

Left-handed accommodation: yes

Noise levels: very quiet

Parking: free across the street from the business building

Time elapsed from arrival to test: prompt, no irregularities

Would you take the test here again? i would not take it again at melcher hall because the desks were a deal breaker. however, if it weren't for that i definitely would recommend taking it at UH because the rest of the experience (proctors, noise, parking, bathrooms) were all exceptional.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Oct 2015

Offering help to people struggling with Logical Reasoning. Reach out.

Double post, ignore.

Hi 7sagers,

I just recently solved the question referenced above, a MBT question with heavy conditional reasoning. I understand why TCR is what it is, but it took me WAY too long to solve this question. Even in hindsight/BR, I don't know how I could get through a question like this in 1:25.

I ordinarily feel comfortable with conditional reasoning - I can picture contrapositives mentally, can twist around unless statements without diagramming, solve some conditional stimuli without diagramming (though generally they don't have a ton of sufficient conditions), etc. Even some of conditional-heavy stimuli that have several statements/premises tend to link up in a linear fashion and can be pictured without diagramming.

I think that what threw me off in this question is that between the two conditionals in the stimulus, there are just a million sufficient conditions to keep track of!

Do you guys have any tips/shortcuts for cutting through a question like this relatively quickly?

TIA!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-2-question-09/

Holy crap did anyone else get destroyed by PT 82? Especially LR S1

New York 7Sagers!

A group of NY based 7sagers have arranged to take practice tests on Saturday mornings from now until the December test. I've been planning on doing those tests, but they are in midtown and would require me to get a much earlier start than I'll actually need on test day. I figured we may have enough Brooklyn 7sagers to organize BK practice tests for Saturdays. Anyone interested in joining me for a group practice test on an upcoming Saturday? I've been taking my practice tests in the quiet study area of the Grand Army Plaza Brooklyn Public Library but am willing to relocate!

Could someone explain why the correct answer choice is E ? Also is there a way for me to look up an explanation for this specific question on 7sage? I just started the free trial so I am still getting used to the site?

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I saw only one review. And it mentioned long tables, however, in Angell Hall there are only the little pop-up tables. How will this work for the digital LSAT?

Hello, I just recently started studying for the lsat and am hoping to take the LSAT in February...

I started off at a 130 and am now at a 155 (which isn't the best I'm aware). throughout my time studying I found that i do better on preptests when I finish a question and then reveal the answer. also, I manage to do much better when i write every single thing out, but that takes a lot of time which i wont have during the real thing.

Has anyone gone through this? if so any advice would be great... my goal is to at least get a 170

Have you tried StudyPal? All my friends in New York use it to study in the group for LSAT.

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Hi everyone, I’m looking for a tutor in the NYC area, preferably a tutor that can meet in person. I need help particularly with logic games and I also need some help with the logical reasoning.

I picked E for this one, when the correct choice was C.

I realize that C is the VERY opposite and E is just less relevant (though still logically opposite) to the theory. So for LEAST questions, should we be looking for the VERY opposite? Or the WEAKEST?

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