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What kind of study regiment have you wonderful 7sagers developed for yourselves? For those that want to contribute, please be as concise in your comments so it's easily digestible for other 7sagers. Thanks!

I'll start with my regiment:

1. Meditation in the morning

2. Healthy breakfast (you can ask me in PM what I have if you're really that curious)

3. Head to my local library early

4. PT in the a.m.

5. BR in the p.m.

6. Dinner

7. Wind down, shower, and sleep.

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Hey All,

So I started the 7Sage curriculum about three months ago but left it very quickly because of some other constraints. However, I have come back to the curriculum now and am slowly going through it. There is a big difference now as compared to back then in terms of my learning. I am able to understand and apply the concepts much better than before. Upon reflection, I think one of the primary reasons why this is happening is because I am engaging with the comments of the lessons section a lot more. It truly helps when you can grasp the lesson concepts and contribute to the comments section by either answering others' questions or commenting something of use for others to view.

Another thing I saw were comments of people who were going through the lessons at the time and are now doing extremely well as per their success stories on this forum. I hope to be in the same level soon, if possible. It truly shows that hard work and time dedication during lessons does pay off at the end.

I also wanted to acknowledge and thank the many selfless commenters who have answered the questions that many users had in the past. It definitely helps students like myself who are going through the curriculum now to understand the materials thoroughly.

I promise Lindt Chocolates to everyone!

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Why a JD?

Does anyone want to get a JD but not actually practice law/ be a lawyer? This isn't my story (I want to be a lawyer) but I am curious to learn about people who actually want a JD but don't intend to use it in the traditional sense. What the heck are you thinking?

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LSAT Ultimate

As someone who already went through a prep course (TestMasters) but is interested in purchasing the LSAT Ultimate course package, are there some video samples of the LR explanation videos available as preview? Since I have a good grasp on the fundamentals, I don't think I will benefit as much from the lessons (maybe someone can prove me wrong though) but the video explanations sound like a great way to review LR answers. Can someone attest to the benefits of these videos?

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So I've been drilling logic games with the Cambridge packets and have done pretty well with the games I've drilled. Timing and accuracy were both very good. Then, a few days ago, I transitioned to timed logic games sections and I've been depressed ever since. I've been going -5,-7 on all of my timed sections and these were on sections that 7sage rated "easiest."

I've realized that the Cambridge packets actually hurt my LG ability and I'll explain why: As Pacifico mentioned in his LG guide, they key skill to scoring high on the LG section is determining the correct setup. With the Cambridge packets I already knew what type of game I was drilling and so I would just draw out my board without really reading much of the rules. I was simply a machine. Now when I take LG sections it is often difficult for me to figure out the correct setup and it's killing my confidence and score. With two months out from the October test I fear that I won't be able to conquer the logic games section before the exam. This, coupled with the fact that October is really my last hope if I want to realistically apply for the 2016 cycle, has been causing me a lot of anxiety. I'm writing this post so that I hope someone learns from my mistake. Drill full logic games sections instead of working on specific game types. I believe it's the most effective strategy.

Today I took a PT and logic games was my first section. Absolutely bombed it and couldn't recover the rest of the exam. The entire test all I was thinking about was the terrible LG section but I made sure to just push through and finish the rest of the exam since this may happen on test day and I have to learn to adapt. Haven't blind reviewed yet but I'm guessing I practiced 10 points lower than my average. It's been a really disappointing week and if anyone can provide me with some advice/encouragement I'd appreciate it greatly.

Good luck studying everyone!

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New to LSAC. please help!!

Hi, I'm kind of lost...

what do i do if I cannot visit the registrar at my undergrad to give them LSAC's "transcript request fom" with my signature on it??

I know its that simple but i'm still confused...

for example, the registrar at my undergrad allows student to request transcript either through online or through their own transcript request form that needs to be completed and returned via fax, scan and e-mail.

And yes, I can do that. BUT what do I do with the LSAC's "transcript request fom" with my signature on it...?

please help me.

And another quick question. Which one has to be done first? paying for the CAS or sending transcripts to LSAC. Or it doesn't matter?

Thank you so much in advance..!

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does anyone have any guidance for determining when to draw out scenarios vs brute force the answer choices? sometimes it's pretty clear that a new local rule in a question creates two scenarios and in those cases it's obvious that you should solve for each board before attacking the questions.

however there are also cases where it's less clear whether it's more efficient to break board into scenarios or find the correct answer by brute forcing answer choices. Here's an example: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-49-section-1-game-1/

On question 3, JY goes directly to the answer choices after deducing that there must be two IN blocks. He could instead have attempted to place those blocks and would have realized there are only two placements _ IN IN_ or _ IN _ IN . Then, after deducing those two scenarios, he could have gone to the AC's. I find that JY has a tendency to go to the AC's in these cases.

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I just went on to lsac to see if my preferred testing location was still available, and it is not even an option, which means that the next closest test location would be an hour drive from where I live! Is this a normal occurrence?? There are about six testing sites about 40ish miles from where I live - I don't get why they couldn't spread out a few of these in my city! Is there anyway I can protest the LSAC and demand they open another testing location? That morning is going to be a disaster if I have to take the test there ugh.

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Do you have questions about personal statements, diversity statements or other law school essays? Post them here. I'm writing an F.A.Q. for the personal statement course, and I want to know what's got you confused. If someone else has already asked your question, please "like" the question, even if I've already answered it. That information will help me make the F.A.Q. more useful.

I'll do my best to answer each question within a day or two.

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Hi all,

I just wanted to see if I could get some advice about my situation because I'm starting to get really nervous about whether or not I can take the October test. Unfortunately if I don't, I'm not sure when the next feasible time will be for me to take it. I'm a rising junior, but because the December one is right around my finals when I'm sure I'll be way too stressed about schoolwork to do much LSAT studying (plus I'm on the quarter system which means during the quarter I would have little time too) and because next summer I'm going to be taking classes and writing my thesis I wanted to try and get it done this summer.

My diagnostic around early June was a 162. After that I studied using 7sage for about 6 weeks before starting to take prep tests and landed at around 169. I've been taking on average 3 tests per week and have now taken 6 tests. Unfortunately it looks like I'm sort of already plateauing at around 169-170 and my goal is to get a 175 on test day. I did have one kind of outlier, the test before last I actually scored a 178 (PT41) which got me really excited after a string of like three 169's in a row, but then today I scored only a 170 again. I was hoping I would at least have improved to like 171-172 but no dice. So it seems like thats where I've leveled off score-wise.

As far as per-section, it kind of varies wildly which concerns me. I think as far as consistency goes, LR is my best. In the last 6 tests I went -5, -3, -5, -2, -2, -6. So i had a string of a couple pretty good scores where I only missed 2-3 total in LR but then, again today to my dismay, I did super bad and missed 6 of them.

LG is definitely hugely hit or miss with me. Some tests I've missed as most as 9 or 10 (cases where I couldn't even finish all the games and got stuck, plus got some wrong), whereas today I was able to make up for my shitty LR score by missing none of them (but the games were ridiculously easy.) At the same time, in the PT where I magically scored 178, the games weren't completely trivial and yet I was able to finish them and get them all right. So lots of variability for reasons that elude me.

RC is pretty stable too, but still not where I want it to be. Last 6 tests went -4, -2, -3, -4, -1, and -5 (today). Not a horrible average but definitely not where I need it to be for test day.

I'm pretty worried about my consistency. I had a pretty bad day today (in that I improved almost none, and in fact did worse on the LRs which I'm usually much better at) and I'm super worried that I'm not going to be able to get this down in time for October while still being able to do enough PTs. I had originally scheduled myself to do another 3 or 4 PTs this week but decided I would only do 2 (at the end of the week) after taking 2 or 3 days off to really study the questions i'm missing most often hard (in LRs this is Flaws) and seeing if I can improve that way.

Overall I'm pretty lost. I'm having a really hard time making the marginal gains I need to get myself consistently above 170 and into the 175 region (except for the wonderful 178 test where everything magically went right) and my variability in scores for the individual sections (particularly LR on bad days, and LG seemingly randomly) scares the crap out of me. I'm not sure at this point what my studying should be like, how many PTs and how often I should be doing them, or what. I'd really appreciate any advice since this as I'm really not even sure if it's worth it to keep going for October at this point which is a humongous disappointment for me. Let me know if there's anymore details I can provide that would be helpful. Thanks guys!

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TONIGHT! PT60 BR | 8pm ET

PT60 BR Tonight at 8pm ET

Ok y'all. Here's what I'll be doin' while y'all are BR'in:

Or anything LSAT-unrelated. But @jengibre and @amanda_kw will be there and they are both LSAT all-stars.

Note on all groups

  • For the newbies: Add me on Skype, using handle nikkers625 .
  • For the regulars: Please let me know if you plan to join tonight's session and have not yet been added to the conversation.
  • For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able; join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.
  • Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So please do not check your answers beforehand :-) Or if you do, just try not to say things like "No, guys, I checked, it's D."
  • These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).
  • PLEASE ... Ask questions !!!! In so doing you are giving others the opportunity to uncover weaknesses in their own understanding, review fundamentals, and ultimately improve their own score. And you're giving yourself the opportunity to do the same. Wow, such harmonious learning experience.
  • The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via Skype and intellectually slaughter each test.
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    http://www.stardem.com/opinion/columns/article_c66025c0-4243-55a0-a74d-e30a47881eee.html

    Thoughts?

    Even though I don't envision myself going into Big Law, I find this kind of writing extremely discouraging and then start to question my own sanity in this entire process.

    I already bill by the minute in my current healthcare profession, and I don't want to be trapped in the same situation going forward. The whole point for me is to get out of this trap and hopefully make some changes with my legal education in hand for the wheel-spinners (i.e., providers) and those who are spinning (i.e., the patients!).

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    Is this burn-out?

    I planned on doing PT60 today and joining BR group tomorrow. However, I did really bad on the LG which is what I am good at and my mind was clouded when I was doing the third section. I literally could not think and had headache. I just could not take in any information at all. I gave it up and switched to problem sets. Same, I had headache again. Is this burn-out? Do I need to give myself a day off tomorrow? I've been studying for at least 8 hours per day since this summer because I am studying full-time. Any advice for avoiding burn-out? Thank you!!! :)

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    Hello everyone.

    So I've been studying for the LSAT daily since the beginning of May. I plan on taking the October 3rd LSAT, and my diagnostic was a 145.

    However, thanks to BasedJ.Y., I've improved significantly. My problem, however, is that my preptests can be inconsistent. I've taken about 9 PTs now, and my scores range from 157-171, with the average being 163.5. There will be times where I'll score multiple mid-high 160s, and then my next PT will be like a 158.

    With test day creeping up, I'm starting to get nervous. My goal is only to achieve somewhere between a 160-163 (obviously higher is better), and the law firm I work for told me that they're only scheduling me 1 day a week from now until the test, so I can focus on things (and thus have ample time to devote towards evening out this inconsistency). But I, under no circumstances, want to score under a 160, and my recent PTs of 158 scares me.

    My inconsistency tends to be in logical reasoning. For example, on the preptest I just did I went: 22/28 RC, 21/22 LG, 15/25LR1, 20/25LR2, 20/25LR3(EXP). I often average between 20-22 per logical reasoning section, but there's just times where, like on this present PT, I just shit the bed entirely.

    What does everyone here recommend? I plan on doing 3 preptests and blind review a week from now until the test. Should I expect my LR score to even out after all of the BRs? I've gone through the curriculum many times, but it seems as if my IQ will just drop to -3 randomly during an LR section.

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    Striving for 180 BR !

    I have been stuck in the 155-158 range for a month and, recently, I broke into the early 160s (160-161 last couple PTs).

    As many people suggested on this forum, I focused on augmenting my BR score. I used to hit around 165-168 (BR) , but now I usually score 170-171(BR).

    I am aiming for 165 + in October and something tells me that, if I am hitting 170, with all the time in the world, I still have a ton of work to do.

    Timing is still an issue for me and there seems to be a general consensus, among many sagers, that it is intertwined with how well one knows the fundamentals. I am a believer that the two are causally related.

    Since BR is one of the best indicators of how well I know the fundamentals, I want to push for more

    Any practical tips on how to attain a perfect BR score???

    Even a 1 point increase seems incredibly difficult.....

    Thank you

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    Last comment sunday, aug 09 2015

    Getting ready to....

    start studying again. This past December life threw me a shit sandwich right when I was beginning to make real progress on my tests. I put the LSAT down and have since been devoting all my time to my startup business and philanthropy/volunteering to figure out exactly what my long term goals are AND what branch of law I want to enter. Basically the pro bono work I've done has been geared towards rights advocacy (particularly when it comes to abused women and children) with high hopes that one day the policies we were working on stimulates some kind of change/referendum at the federal level. I've learned a lot during my time off, made some contacts and feel rejuvenated going into the second round of my studies.

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    Last comment sunday, aug 09 2015

    Is 4 Months Enough Time?

    Hi,

    I'm new to this lsat prep (just started today). I took the LSAT last year and scored a 144 and I graduated from undergrad with a 3.5 GPA and I plan on taking the LSAT again this December. A few days ago I decided to take a PT and scored a 139 (first time taking it in 6 months). Today I bought the LSAT Trainer and recently purchased this 7sage starter. I guess I'm just wondering if it's possible to score in the 160's or am I completely screwed and should give up. I've been feeling kind of low lately and having anxiety about not getting into law school because I'm scared to disappoint my parents again. Any help and advice would greatly be appreciated. Thanks guys.

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    Last comment saturday, aug 08 2015

    BR Score VS. Actual Score

    I just finished the 7 Sage curriculum two weeks ago. My first PT was an actual score of 160 and blind review of 165. I took two PTs, one yesterday, and one today, where my blind review score was high but my actual score was low, 151 actual & BR 160, 154 actual & 162 BR. I am feeling pretty discouraged by the drop in my actual score. I am confused as to what the BR means in terms of studying, etc.?

    I am consistently -5 to -10 on the Logic Games. I have been using the Fool Proof method. However, I have the books of LSATs so I don't have ten copies but I do the games 10 times on blank notebook paper, not writing on the actual game.

    I am not sure what to do about the discrepancy between my actual score and my BR review score. Any advice would be great?!

    I also would add I just got the LSAT Trainer but I have not read it yet. I am hoping to take October test.

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    http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-1-question-02/

    Ok, I am pretty pissed I missed this because I felt like I got it right when I did it. I didn't even mark it for BR. As a CPA, the equivocation of a few words in the stimulus and answer choices makes this question pretty terrible IMO. Are we supposed to assume that "administered to people" in answer choice A is the same idea as "administering a vaccine"? Administering to people to me means giving people the shot at the doctors office while administering a vaccine to me means the administration costs (SG&A costs) within the firm; these are two totally unique concepts. This is worse than usual writing for the LSAT.

    This is a weaken question. It is from a pretty old test, and I feel like the wording on this one reflects that.

    A director at a pharm company argues that the developmental costs (production costs) for new vaccines that the health department has requested should be subsidized since the marketing costs (selling costs) promises to be less profitable (this last part makes no sense to me, and I think it shows how sloppy the LSAT writers can be sometimes when they write about business, but whatever). The director argued that the sales are going to be lower since people only take the drug once (OK, this sentence makes more sense relative to the last one).

    What I am looking for: Maybe the fact that they only take the drug once is not relevant. This step was pretty difficult to do for this one.

    Answer A: This is the correct answer, but I still take issue with the wording. How do we equivocate administration of the vaccines with sales (or anything that relates to the director's argument)? I just don't see how this affects the argument. If the drugs are administered to more people (i.e. doctors give the shots to more people), why does the business care directly? The pharm company only cares about selling the vaccines to hospitals and doctors, what they do with the drugs after the fact is irrelevant to the business (purchasing the drugs is a sunk cost to the hospital). What if the doctor gives away the vaccine for free? The pharm has already made its money on sale (and based off the argument from the director, less than what it would get from other drugs) regardless of who actually gets the shots. I think there are huge problems with this answer choice, and I think more modern LSATS would use tighter wording.

    Answer B: This is irrelevant to the argument. So what if "many" vaccines are designed to prevent things.

    Answer C: So what.

    Answer D: I don't care about other pharm companies. We are talking about Rexx.

    Answer E: This is what I chose. I chose this because I interpreted the costs of administrating a vaccine as part of administrative costs within the firm. If the pharm companies don't bear this cost, then this attacks the support that they should be subsidized. Apparently, we are supposed to assume that the "cost of administering a vaccine" is what I interpreted A's predicate to mean. However, this answer would run into the same problem that I think makes A incorrect also.

    To hell with this question.

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    Extra Year?

    I'm in a situation that I'd really appreciate some advice on. Maybe this will help others. I'm currently studying for the October exam and have been studying for about a year (on-and-off). I've been doing serious work leading up to the June exam but canceled the day before simply because of scoring too low on multiple practice tests (upper 150s). I was going to just take it for experience-sake but I'm seriously concerned with school's averaging scores. Also, it's not worth taking the exam if I'm certain the score I would get would be low. I still feel a little stuck now and I'm considering the option of applying next cycle instead because hey who wouldn't want a full year to study (though a few extra months would do)? Despite roughly a year, I don't think I've reached my potential.

    I just graduated in May and in 3 years, instead of 4, and was going to take the 1 year otherwise spent as a Senior to get a job and then continue regularly straight to law school. I don't like the idea of taking 2 years in between but it seems as though the benefits (making more money in between to even afford law school, and more time to study to potentially get into an even better law school) outweigh going on time. What's difficult is that I've sunk a lot of time and effort going with my first plan and I could conceivably just stick through it and possibly retake in Dec after Oct though, again, I don't know if I could have a better score next year. I'd really appreciate comments because I'm currently considering whether I should stick with October, see how I do, and then decide to take another year or not. Of course the problem with that is that I potentially risk having my scores averaged when I could just have a clean number next year.

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    Last comment saturday, aug 08 2015

    Get (or got?) a hobby!

    A lot of us have devoted a lot of our lives to the LSAT and 0L lyfe generally.

    So I want to know ... What are your hobbies? Not just working out (a lot of us do that, but do include if that's your jam) ... But things like crafts, brewing, gaming, gambling, semi-professional snark, BBC watching, shooting, trash gathering ...

    I'm trying my hand (literally) at tatting and needlepoint following a successful trip to Hobby Lobby. I realized earlier this week that I needed something to do with my hands that was unrelated to various other pursuits.

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    Hi, I am 23 years old and currently living with my parents while working/studying for LSAT. I have cut out drinking and going out and focused on my studying for preparation for October or December LSAT. Recently, my job has picked up and don't have a minute to spare to study while at work. I am working 9-5 M-Thursday. I can't really reduce my hours but these hours make it tough to study around. I get out around 5 and then home around 6:30 after the gym and I'm pretty drained at night while studying. I do well with my Friday-Sunday but feel I am limiting myself by working M-Thursday. It's hard to fit two BR practice tests in a Fri-Sun span. I don't want to score under my full potential because of a bullshit job. I explained this to my parents and my mom has never worked a day in her life so she doesn't grasp the importance of the LSAT. Further, my dad owns a Criminal Law Firm and claims he studied for the LSAT while working and going to school so I can do it too. I explained that this isn't 1980 and to succeed in Law and I need to go to a top 20 or so school. I am still going to quit even though they don't understand. Can anyone relate or am I being ridiculous?

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