Hi all,

I've taken about 10 PTs so far, making steady progress from 157 to now 164/165 (three most recent) with BR usually ranging somewhere between 170-176. I get about -7 on RC, -3~-6 on LR and -0~-3 on LG. On RC, I usually have time for only three passages, forced to leave the last passage completely blank, which is quite frustrating. On LR, I seem to take quite a while to warm up since I always do much better on the second LR, which I'm now able to finish just on time (with no time to spare). For the first LR, I miss about 3-5 questions because I run out of time. I don't think I have much problem with the LR fundamentals since I usually miss only 2-3 questions after BR if any. The same goes for RC (although more questions wrong here). I'm aiming for 167-168 for October LSAT, and I believe I can make few more points if I can pace myself more efficiently/effectively. Do you guys have any tips to help me quicken the POE and hone my intuition? Or do you think this is just stemming from my lack of practice in doing PTs... I would appreciate you input!

I am interested in knowing what people, who had/have the 7sage curriculum, did during the curriculum. I am particularly interested in if those individuals drilled during the curriculum. I also do not mean drill as in doing the 5 questions at the end of every section, I mean full on drill a section of those specific question types then BR them. I recently purchased the 7sage ultimate, and I am now at 40% finished with the course, however the only reason I am not further in the course is because when I had the starter package I went through most of the curriculum without having the extra problem sets that come with the ultimate. Essentially, I was about 70% done with the core curriculum when I had the starter. Now, however, I have to go back and do all the other problem sets that come with the ultimate package. I do not mind doing this at all, however I was thinking of finishing the core first, which I do not have much of, and then going back to do all the rest of the problem sets as drills. Is this a good idea? I just feel that I will truly never finish with this course if I continue to drill in the midst of learning the core. My drilling is too precise, I mean I can literally take about 4hrs to understand every nitty gritty detail of a 5 question problem set for LR, as well as LG,this includes the ones I already understand, which means finishing this course will not happen anytime soon, and although the fundamentals are extremely important, I am not going to get any better at this test if I do not start drilling sections, and PTing. What advice do you guys have for me?

Is it more beneficial to Blind Review after every completed section or after taking the entire test?

Hello Everyone,

I see a lot of people mentioning their implementation of the Cambridge Packets. I would be tempted to purchase them, but I already own all of the Prep Tests from 1-38 as they are. Is there any comprehensive list that groups the sections according to types so I could group them up myself? Or is question-type based drilling that crucial to begin with? Don't have the most money right now, so any help would be greatly appreciated :( Thanks!

Sooooo, I just did Pt 27 S2 G2 which is the lizards and snakes game. That was challenging as hell. Did you guys struggle with this game as well? Also I am a bit flustered by the explanation of this game. JY makes the claim that the 1st premise of this game means that each habitat has 2 slots, but how do we know that if the rule just states MAX 2 PER SLOT? Max 2 does not mean every habitat has 2 slots. Also, during the exam you are not going to "ignore certain elements of the game." How did you guys go about solving this game?

Hi! I've posted before.... earlier this week as well... but I have a question for those in the 168-180 range!

Right now, I took a prep test and received a 170 w/ BR of 175 and a 168 w/ BR of 180. While I know two scores aren't a clear sign of a trend YET, I feel as if something has "clicked" within me for the LSAT, and I do feel confident that my mark on my next PT will be in that range.

I'm looking to be scoring in the 170s for my PTs from here on out, and looking to score a solid 170 on the October exam. With that goal in mind, I want to make sure I'm prepping in an effective manner. I also want to reduce my risk of burn out. So, with those two goals in mind, I will outline my situation below:

My boss is allowing me to work a reduced schedule, so I can being prepping everyday from 2-whenever I go to bed. I wake up, go to the gym, come home and get ready. As I'm getting ready I read through some LSAT notes. Things like... how to do certain questions/what to look for for Reading Comprehension/how to translate conditional statements, ect.

When I get to work, I study usually from 7:30-8:30. I do 1 timed RC, 4 passage section, and 1 timed LG section. I use ONLY the allotted pencils, sharpener, highlighters that we will be using during the exam, and I always time myself. I then correct the LG and leave the RC BR for after work.

When I get home I BR the RC, check my answers, and review them to see where my problem areas lie. I then usually do 1-2 LR sections and BR them. I do an additional 1-2 LG sections as well.

I plan to PT every Wednesday from 2-5, and every Saturday from 9-12 ish. On Saturdays, I try and set up the routine exactly how it'll be on The Day: wake up, go to the gym, come home and eat breakfast and have a coffee, start my exam, on break I plan to drink an energy drink and eat the same snack I will come test day. I do 5 sections. I want to continue like this until September.

In September, I plan on testing in areas with noise: open libraries, ect.

At this point, I've been through a lot of Cambridge packages, and I am doing prep tests 58-74. I left prep tests.... 45 ish to about 50 to use as the material for the LR/RC/LG drilling. I constantly drill past LG sections. My LG is usually -1 to 0 every single time.

Does this appear to be an effective strategy? I also have began reading articles on my train rides to and from work, to help with RC.

Should I be doing something else? I also fear burnout, so I was thinking of doing light studying every Friday from like... 2-5 PM, and then taking the evening off. Writing a PT Saturday, BR Sunday morning, and taking Sunday afternoon off.

Thoughts? I AM SORRY IT'S SO LONG! xo

How often do you find yourself finishing sections early? If so what sections particularly, & how much extra time do you typically have to go back and double check questions that you weren't 100% on?

I've hit a plateau at the 159 - 162 timed range, with a BR between 167-170.I'm typically finishing RC with literally no time to spare and average around minus 6-9. LR I can usually get through every question in time, with the exception being skipping and guessing on a difficult parallel reasoning question. LR average is between minus 5-8 per section with the a few minus 3's. LG is undoubtedly my worst section. I usually finish the first three games (or easiest three) relatively comfortably, but always run out of time and end up guessing on the last game. If I'm lucky I'll have time to read through the rules of the fourth game and get the easy acceptable situation type question. My LG average usually falls between minus 7-9, but I've had a couple as bad as minus 11-12. I don't typically have trouble picking the right game board or setting them up correctly, however it still just flat out takes me too long to make the necessary inferences. I typically resort to not making multiple set ups before attacking questions. Most of the time I write the rules, then move straight to the questions and brute force the correct answer after POE for obvious wrong answers. This is partly because I'm terrible at deciding when it's going to be extremely helpful to make multiple set ups before hand, and partly because I'm not confident enough to do it thoroughly in a reasonable amount of time.

I truly feel like if I could just get faster (especially in LG but also LR) I could get over the hump, but obviously that's way easier said than done. I'd love to be consistently hitting 165 before October. At this point I have completed the entire 7sage core curriculum, about 3/4 the LG bundle, and taken PT's 36 - 38, and 51 - 60. I'm trying fine tune my approach for the final 7 weeks before October. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

I scored a 168 on June 2015. I made the decision to take it only 9 weeks before-- In those subsequent weeks I took 30 pt's. The 4 weeks before the test I took a pt every week day, and would study till I was on the verge of tears. It was brutal, and by the last week before the test I was inconceivably burnt out. I had to neglect taking the last pt's I planned to. I was going for quantity this first time taking the test, and now I'm gearing up for Oct 2015. I want quality this time; I want less hours of studying but I want to maximize the time I spend. Most of all, I want to be as fresh as possible on test day. Burnout is not going to slide this time.

Has anybody else experienced this crisis? At some point, quantity, the amount of hours and pt's, begins to yield little in terms of becoming better at taking the test. And it burns you out-- I scored 3 below my average in pt's for June 2015, which I hear is actually normal. How do I, with limited hours and only a few pt's (I'm planning on only taking 5-6 pt's before Oct), maximize the time I spend?

I believe that I'm going to find out that quality of study time, after thoroughly acquainting one's self with the LSAT, is far superior than the quantity of hours spent studying.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-2-question-19/

This is the first one I have missed on the 7 practice sets I have done so far for MSS. Since there is no video explanation, I'll add a forum post to see if I can get some people's thoughts. Here is my process:

This is a most strongly supported except question. This was a really weird question stem that I had to reread a few times. It probably contributed to me missing the question. We have to find an answer choice that does not fit the evidence.

In all mammals, during their childhood years in which they play a lot correlates with the most rapid growth in their neural connections. These connections establish complex movement, posture, and social response. Thus, this playful activity is necessary for survival/well being as an adult.

What I am looking for: This is an argument, and there is a flaw (I know we don't need to evaluate the flaw for MSS, but I like the practice). It makes a correlation implies causation flaw. How do we know that it is the playful activity that causes the neural connections to form? Anyway, back to the question. Since I did not really understand the stem, it was hard to formulate what I was looking for.

Answer A: This seems supported. Young mammals are going to run away from predators (which is a similar activity to playing).

Answer B: We don't know anything about non-mammals. The passage is just about mammals. This is the correct answer because there is NO evidence supporting this claim.

Answer C: This seems reasonable supported. I think it is OK to say that this behavior is a type of social response.

Answer D: This is definitely supported. The whole point is of the passage is that playing while you were young mattered. If you didn't play, then you were a weird adult animal.

Answer E: This is what I chose (I had eliminated A-D during the timed section; I was not confident in my answer choice, either), and I ran out of time trying to redo this question. This is supported. When the young play, they practice things that will help them in adulthood. Like answer D, this seems to be explicitly stated.

I missed this because of the weird stem, and I got caught up trying to figure out what it means. Are there any other questions out there with similar MSS, except that are this difficult? I know PT28-Section 3-Question 4 (from the MSS set #6) is an except question, but it was really easy I thought.

For the practice sets of 5 problems. It says to time ourselves. Should we time ourselves to see how long each question takes us? Or time in a limited time sense. And if so how long should I give myself to do 5 questions. Thanks

I am starting to get more answers correct. Do you guys view the explanation videos on the ones you got right? I want to get my money's worth, but not sure if that's a waste of time.

Hi everyone,

I took a couple RC (and even LR) sections recently, and noticed that I made 70% of my mistakes because I did not fully understand the meaning, or alternate meanings, to key words in the passages or question stems. I'm an English major, so I thought I had a strong grasp of vocab but now I just feel kind of stupid. I've started noting down these words and will try to expand my vocabulary on the side, but I was wondering - have any of you encountered this problem? Are there any techniques you could suggest to overcome this?

Thank you so much for any advice!

Why A? And why not E?

I think I misinterpretted "addressing" in option A to mean that "referring to the..." Instead, by "address" I now think he means "considering and potentially implementing the critics claims doesn't matter yet cause now we need money."

In regards to "E" I interpreted it to mean that, "giving the report a single focus ('coherent vision of future') is less desirable than the critics claim seeing as we need some effing money." However, the true translation is "the author thought the critic's idea wasn't that awesome."

Did I just totally misread what was said? Is my misreading completely unwarranted (Am I cray)? Any strategies on how to not to misread?

Are there any inaccuracies in this book? I am starting to get skeptic here, but I could just be cray cray.

7Sage has been a really great resource and community for all of my LSAT prep, but now I'm in, and I'm feeling lost. I start in the next few weeks. I was taking things one step at a time, never jumping too far ahead in the admissions process. So, until June, my only focus was LSAT studying. I started looking for 1L advice when I thought law school might actually be a realistic possibility after the June test. I have found so much conflicting information. Some people who recommend buying every 1L support book possible and others (mostly people I know) who went in completely blind and still graduated in the top 10% of their class. I have taken some of Larry's book recommendations, I have been reading Planet Law School (which recommends a million other support materials), Glannon on Civ Pro, and Delaney's Learning Legal Reasoning. I don't want to overwhelm myself by buying and reading every book ever written for 1L's (nor do I even have the time), but I also don't feel comfortable walking in without knowing exactly what to expect. I've been reading through Larry's Law School Master but it's so new it doesn't offer what 7Sage has in terms of community and consistency. I would love any advice!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-2-question-21/

Hello! This is my first time posting a question. I am having trouble understanding why e is the correct answer. Is it correct because to if it's unpopular with the teachers than we have to modify and the word modify implies adopt a new policy? So to make the students happy we should adopt a new policy? Because isn't adopting a new policy the necessary condition for it being unpopular with the students? not the teachers?

I had a discussion with a coworker yesterday about taking the LSAT. I just turned 32 in May and she kind of frowned at my age. I felt she was frowing because she felt I am too old to be pursuing law school. By no means do I agree. I'm 100% certain (not really, but I would definitely bet my rent money and car payment on this!) I'm not the oldest person to pursue law school. I just wanted to know others perspectives. A little of my story. I never wanted to go straight from undergrad to law, so I never tried. Looking back on everything I probably would've had to drop out anyway. I couldn't find a job after graduating (2006) so I decided to go back to school for my paralegal certificate (2007). I've worked as a paralegal in various areas since. I've definitely wanted to get started with LSAT prep a lot earlier than now but life had other plans. I was diagnosed with cancer in 2008. Took my first LSAT Dec 6 2008, 5 days after being diagnosed. My score was horrible! Til this day I have refused to tell anyone my score. Now, under the circumstances I had no business taking that test, but I wanted to keep things as "normal" as possible. Admittedly, I wasn't even entirely prepared for the test. I finished chemo and all treatments in June 2009. Of course it took me awhile to jump back up on the pony so the LSAT was placed to the side. After more scares and more surgeries I'll fast fwd to 2013. I was ready to move forward with my studies. My health seemed to be ok. April 2013 I had surgery to have a tumor removed from the base of my brain. This surgery knocked me on my @ss!!! I was just not ready. At all! Worse than the chemo! It took me about 6-8 weeks to bounce back, but not entirely. Just enough to return to work. I've always suffered from allergy and sinus issues. For some reason the symptoms turned up in 2012-2013. I suffered back to back chronic sinus infections and ear infections. Lost slight hearing in one ear. Didn't even know that was possible. Antiobiotics and steroids no longer helped so here I was back in surgery about 8 weeks post "brain surgery"!! Probably not the best decision but obviously my neurologist and ENT were aware of my history. Again I got knocked all the way down!! The recovery for this one was even longer. After 1 more minor procedure in 2013 I was ready for 2014. After playing around with other materials I was fully committed to 7Sage. After lots of distractions, lazinees, stubborness and procrastination 2015 will be the year for me. I don't see the reason for having to take the test in October so I'll take it in December if necessary. I hate to say, "I only need a XXX." I've decided to see how far I can push myself to achieve the best score possible for me. Just because I'm that stubborn! I've decided to not let the LSAT have me! LOL Anybody else dealing with age or any other issues that may seem like the "law school ship" has sailed?

Hey Fellow 7Sagers,

Just wanted to ask you a question about something that I've been seeing throughout Logical Reasoning questions and oftentimes, answer choices as well. What's a good way to remember what testmakers are talking about when they say "Confuses _____ for/with _____"??

For example:

B) LSAC confuses a necessary condition for a sufficient conditions.

Does this mean that what is meant to be a necessary condition is being mistaken by LSAC as a sufficient condition?....or vice versa...?

So should I remember this as whatever comes after "Mistakes/Confuses a _____" to be what is correct and that the author is mistakenly thinking of it as whatever comes after "...for a ____"?

Sorry for the extremely confusing explanation and wording....

Hi All,

I apologize if this question has been already been asked before. For those of you who have already written the LSAT or are deep into PTing, I was wondering if you studied using any material other than just 7Sage (other than the LSAT Trainer)?

Basically, did you find that the curriculum of 7Sage was enough on its own (with appropriate drilling and PTing, of course)?

Which study method is better if you have enough time to take and BR 60 LSAT PTs... Take the 20 most recent PTs 3x's (56-75) or 60 PTs (16-75) once... Please explain your decision... I actually am on pace to accomplish 20 x 3...

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-3-question-08/

I think I may have answered this question myself, but can you guys chime in on this one? I chose D instead of A because "their investments" didn't have to be true. They could make a profit from someone else's investment, right? However, since this is an inference question I should be taking all of the answer choices to be true and then seeing which one can be proven from the stimulus? True, meaning that all of the answer choices are true, but only one can be proven from the stimulus. Does that make sense? I chose D because I didn't feel that there was anything in the stimulus that specifically stated, or even implied, in my opinion, that the investors were making investments only from "their" investments and I took "most" from the first sentence and "majority" from the last sentence to seem the same. If A hadn't included "their" it would've been my choice. I hope I didn't confuse anyone because I think I just confused myself!

Yo people.

I loved my LSAT watch from 35minutes.com. I used the heck out of it from Feb. thru July. Then I finally ripped the mechanism out (better it happen now than, you know, like the week before). So now I want a new watch.

I'm looking at this one. http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Score-LSAT-Watch-Exam/dp/B00SC6FJ3M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1438699397&sr=8-3&keywords=lsat+watch

And this one. http://www.180watch.com/

I stopped caring about price because I'd rather have a better watch than save ~$20-$30. You feel ??

Any thoughts? Priorities are ... Either 4 section color coding or none, love the nifty "section reset" button (otherwise I was planning on having my nails done to guarantee that they're long/strong enough to pull the little doohickey out ... maybe that last part belongs in the Confessional thread).

I've decided to take a break from PTs, and go back over the basics. I think one of my weaknesses is taking the Lawgic that we were taught, and applying it to the questions. So... if I can get someone to breakdown for me EXACTLY WHY and HOW we put questions into lawgic. Simplify for it me. How does it help with logical reasoning and reading comprehension questions, and then apply it to a question. I think this will help to unlock whatever block I'm feeling about understanding how this works exactly.

let's use a question I get wrong every time. Test 29 Section 1 Question 7.

Find the logical operator?

Identify two main concepts

Assign symbols to the 2 main groups

Apply translation rule

Find contrapositive

Translate back to English

Okay, I just wanted to post this. I know I post a lot sometimmmmeeeessss.

I don't know what my initial diagnostic score was, but I'm sure it was the worst. I started prepping for the LSAT last May of 2014. I started with Kaplan for a few months, then I eventually found 7Sage, but there wasn't enough time for me to get my *best* mark before the December 2014 write. I wrote anyways and received a sad 155.

I was discouraged to say the least! I didn't get into any of the schools I applied for (not surprising), but I decided to hit the books every single day since I took that exam, even if it was for an hour or two in the morning before work and on my lunch break.

I started taking timed PTs once a week since the end of May. I have taken 9 so far. I posted in June that I received my first 170! Yesterday I took PT 57 and received a 168. I took today to BR and I received a 180 for the first time EVER.

The point of this post is thiiiiissss. I remember reading so many discussions when I started last year about people reaching (what seemed like) impossibly amazing scores. I was so insecure with my ability and didn't really believe that I could do it. I also was naive to think that you could fully prep for this exam in such a short time period. And, while I don't mean to discourage those reading this who are within that tight time frame, I can say that I benefited most from sitting back, reassessing, and taking my TIME with prepping. Sure, I would have loved to start at a law school for this September, but when I was prepping back in 2014 I would literally wake up at 3 AM every day and study until 10 PM every night (after an 8 hour day, so I would study in the AM for 2-3 hours, on my lunch break, and then from 5-10 daily). It was exhausting to say the least. But, and more importantly, I wasn't ever giving my brain any opportunity to absorb the information it was taking in every single day. I couldn't let my brain process how to answer questions. I used to get so much test anxiety when sitting down to write a PT at 3 AM that I would almost make myself physically ill and then cry when a dismal 152 would pop up on the grader and I would wonder how on earth I could ever increase my score.

SO. THE point is this. You can do it, everyone has it in them, all it takes is consistency, perseverance, belief in your ability, and TIME.

:)

In 2 out of my last 3 PT's, I have scored over 175... Unreal.... I would have never guessed I would do this in my wildest dreams. Thanks 7 sage and community