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Who’s going to the Handling People talk?

Wednesday, October 14th at 8PM ET: PT62

Note:

  • For the newbies: Add me on Skype, using handle dmlevine76.
  • For the regulars: If for some reason you're not in the group conversation[s] already, just message me on Skype.
  • For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able; join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.
  • Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it."
  • These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).
  • The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via Skype and intellectually slaughter each test.
  • For statements with if and only if, does it matter which variable I write first?

    Example: V is selected if and only if P is selected

    the if and only if here is referring to P so the solutions in the book show

    P (--) V

    not V (--) not P

    but if I wrote it out as

    V (--) P

    not P (--) not V

    Would that be correct since this is a biconditional statement? if past would make P sufficient condition and the only if part would make P the necessary condition. Am I thinking of this correctly?

    Also, can I think of biconditionals as implying that the two variable must always go together meaning that PV will always be together in the "in" group or in the "out" group. There is never a possibilities where one variable is in and the other is out. So, I could show them as a block in my diagram.

    Hey all, currently my study and buddy and I Blind Review practice tests every Sunday afternoons, like 3:30 PM-ish PST, over Zoom. If you are planning on taking the April, June, August, or December test and also want to review with us, please let me know! We are planning to start on later practice tests (65+) in about a week.

    Hi all,

    I have been studying for the LSAT for four months using Khan Academy, after increasing somewhat I eventually found myself plateauing, and at points regressing, while at the same time burning through practice tests. I recently joined 7Sage and find the explanations and lessons helpful, however with other responsibilities it is not realistic for me to complete all lessons and a substantial amount of practice tests in advance of the August or even Fall tests. Does anyone have any advice of your approaches?

    Thanks in advance

    Proctors: The two main proctors were Eckerd College students, both with good energy. The proctor running the test did a great job of keeping things going, answering questions and handling things.

    Facilities: Auditorium of science building. Five rows of tiered seats/tables with enough room for about 25 students seated every other seat. Fortunately, we had fewer than 25, since the rest of the seats were cut-out desks that look really small.

    Left-handed accommodation: Tables are perfect for lefties. They did have left-handed cut-out desk if necessary.

    Noise levels: Quiet.

    Parking: Ample parking in front of building, with a gravel parking lot not too far away.

    Time elapsed from arrival to test: We were to arrive by 8:30. I was the second person to check in. No line or anything. I'd say about two-thirds of us arrived by 8:24. By 8:45, we were filling out forms and even with a handful of minor questions and a request to turn on more lights (which they did), the test started around 9 a.m.

    Irregularities or mishaps: None

    Other comments: All but about 6 test takers were female and I feared this could be a problem in the four-stall ladies room, but there was never any line, so we had ample time there (that was a big concern of mine!). Also time to hang out in the lobby and eat, drink and take a breather before going back in.

    Would you take the test here again? Yes. Was very low key and stress free.

    Date[s] of Exam[s]: 2/10/18****

    Hi everyone!

    On Tuesday May 30th at 9:00 PM ET, we will host a Live Podcast Recording as our 7Sage LSAT Webinar of the month! This event was originally scheduled for May 24th, but has been rescheduled.

    We are excited to host a special webinar that will be a live recording of the 7Sage podcast, hosted by Live Class Instructors Aastha and Henry. For this webinar, we'll be doing a giveaway for one free hour of tutoring! This is how it will work:

    → Please register for the webinar here: https://7sage.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYqdOmoqzMiH9y_pg1e6UXz0kZ34CvXlfwO

    ⚠️ After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

    ⚠️ You’ll have to register for this webinar in advance.

    → During the webinar, Aastha and Henry will talk for the first half and then take questions from the audience.

    → The webinar will be recorded, and we will share the audio on our podcast. Audience members will be called by first name.

    → If you want to ask a question, you should connect via a computer instead of calling in. We also recommend that you join the webinar a few minutes early and test your microphone.

    → At the end of the webinar, one attendee will be selected at random for a free hour of tutoring!

    Want to learn more about our LSAT Tutoring Program? Schedule a free consultation with this link: https://calendly.com/7sage-tutoring/7sage-tutoring-free-consultation

    If you have any questions, please feel free to comment down below! I hope to see you there!

    I've officially finished all of my applications (which were also immensely boosted with the help of 7Sage) and I will likely be accepting an offer from Georgetown!! I could not have gotten to where I am as expediently as I did were it not for 7Sage, so before I cancel my subscription, I wanted to share some praise for this amazing study tool.

    My cold diagnostic was 165 in June, I spent the better part of three months studying my ass off on here, and I somehow managed to pull off a 172 on the September LSAT. I can't speak to RC (because I didn't end up having time to study it), but the Foundations and LR curriculums are genuinely the best study tool I could have asked for. JY and the rest of the instructors are the best at what they do, their ability to break down such arcane concepts and make them easily digestable is truly incredible. On top of that, the custom drill sets based on your recent PTs were so informative and always pointed me towards what I needed to focus on.

    If you're reading this and you're unsure of which prep service to use, go with 7Sage – you will not regret it.

    For those of you who are on your LSAT prep journey, some advice:

    -Plan to write twice, but do your best to only write once. You do not want to be in a position where you fell short of your goal score and have to rewrite near the end of the cycle. I wrote in September with the plan being to write again in November, and luckily that ultimately wasn't necessary for me. Having a contingency plan will relieve a lot of stress, but speaking from experience, you'll only want to write again if you absolutely have to.

    -Make a study itinerary/schedule and stick to it! Depending on how much time you have, treat this like a part-time job! I made a timesheet to track my prep hours, and slowly increased the number of hours/week from 7 to 25. This helped me to stay on track and hold myself accountable.

    -BEWARE OF BURNOUT!!!! I cannot stress this enough. Go outside, take a walk and get some fresh air. Take a weekend off. Don't forget to spend time with friends and family. The extra preptime is never worth the crash and burn. I burnt-out hard the week before my test date and taking a well-needed break saved me from having to rewrite.

    -Try not to let a dip in your PT scores get you down. This has happened to pretty much everyone I've talked to, and it can be very demoralizing. In my experience, it's likely because you either did a more difficult PT or you're starting to burnout.

    If anybody has any questions about my experience, please feel free to reply to this post or message me (I think I'll still be able to see that after I cancel)! Thanks again to 7Sage for everything you do. :)

    I know that some schools automatically wave your app fee if you have a LSAC fee waiver. Will I see this reflected on my LSAC portal once my app is finished? Would I have to reach out directly to each school? Also, which T14 schools do not automatically waive the fee? Thanks in advance!

    Hi all. I took the LSAT Flex yesterday and well, it didn't go great. For various reasons I was not in the best head space and that coupled with test day anxiety really threw me for a loop.

    I've been drilling LG for a few months now and have been consistently getting between -1 and -4 on practice tests. On the real deal, my brain went completely blank and I maybe properly set up two of the games. I remember blindly guessing on at least 3 questions (probably more but my brain has kind of blacked out details) and made semi-educated guesses on others. I also had super low time on the last RC passage and had to make some pretty quick educated guesses there as well. LR might be fine but also might not.

    This was so far off from my recent PT experiences, which have mostly ranged in the high 160s/low 170s. I'm pretty worried that the LG section alone put me below the 160s range on the actual test.

    I took the test last November so I already have that score on file (160) and feel like it would look pretty terrible to have an even lower score on record almost a year later... At the same time, maybe I miraculously guessed well and/or somehow didn't do as terribly as I think. So, the question is: Is it a good idea to cancel my score to be safe..? More specifically, is it better to have a cancelled score on record (and forever be haunted by not knowing how I did) than to have two scores well below my goals on file a year apart?

    Any advice is greatly appreciated!

    Hi 7sagers!

    I'm based in Manhattan, and I'm interested in starting a study group that meets in person for the upcoming June 2018 LSAT. I'm currently registered to take the February 2018 LSAT, but I may postpone.

    I'm using materials mostly from 7Sage as well as the LSAT Trainer and Manhattan LSAT Prep.

    Please contact me if you are interested, and I'll reply as soon as I can.

    Hi, I'm going to be writing a diversity statement and in addition to some extensive googling, I wanted to know if anyone here has had success writing DS's or has some sage, or 7sage (bad joke) advice for writing a good DS. I've also looked at the admissions site here on 7sage for some pointers and they have been helpful.

    Just looking for peoples' input and specific advice. Thanks!

    Hi everyone!

    On Wednesday, September 21st, at 9:00 PM ET, we'll be hosting a webinar about "Pre-phrasing your Way to Success on Logical Reasoning."

    If you're someone that sometimes feels disoriented by answer choices or are running out of time on LR, this webinar will hone an important skill for improving both speed and accuracy.

    For this webinar, we'll be going over the importance of pre-phrasing, which question types benefit from a pre-phrase vs. which ones don't, how to do it, the degrees of concreteness a pre-phrase could have, and the level of flexibility they should all have.

    → Please register for the webinar here: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_D5nZuClqSDSO-CwOER_uMQ

    ⚠️ After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

    ⚠️ You’ll have to register for this webinar in advance.

    The webinar will be recorded, and we may post it on our site or on YouTube. We may also share the audio on our podcast.

    If you want to ask a question, you should connect via a computer instead of calling in. We also recommend that you join the webinar a few minutes early and test your microphone.

    Want to learn more about our LSAT Tutoring Program? Schedule a free consultation with this link:

    https://calendly.com/7sage-consult/7sage-tutoring-free-consult?utm_source=DF

    If you have any questions, please feel free to comment down below! I hope to see you there!

    Hi all,

    Similar to most of you, I am a bit bummed about Saturday's test. I have been studying for about a year now, and felt really prepared. I took the July test, and canceled because it was not where I want to be (164+). Before Saturday, my practice tests were falling between 164-169. I believe I did really well on LR, ok on RC, but I know that I bombed LG horribly. The chances are pretty slim that I score 164 even if I did well on those LR sections. I was already signed up for October, but I'm feeling a bit discouraged and stressed on how to study at this point. I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on how to study for someone who has already gone through all practice tests from 30-87. Should I retake tests I've already taken? Should I use early tests for practice? I was also wondering if anyone has any recommendations for the amount of studying from now until October. Any help is really appreciated!

    Thanks!

    Lauren

    Hi all! I'm planning to apply to law school this cycle and am confused about ordering my CAS transcripts on LSAC's website.

    When I submitted a transcript request to the community college where I dual enrolled, it says the LSAC mailing address for transcripts (Box 2000-M, Newtown, PA) is invalid. Has anyone else submitted this address? If yes, have your transcripts been delivered?

    Also - do I need to wait until my fall classes are reflected on my current university's transcript before requesting it? I know I don't need to wait until my fall grades are posted, but I'm not sure if it's okay for me to submit now without my current enrollment reflected.

    Thanks!

    Hi 7Sage! I love this forum, sorry to pester you all again with walls of text.

    Background: I started studying the June 2007 test. I did well on the RC/LR sections but only got halfway through the second game of the LG section before I hit 35 minutes. I think I got three wrong so ended up 6/23 for the section. Since then my entire focus has been on logic games. I've probably printed out some 40 games and completed them under timed conditions, and I've read the entire Powerscore LG Bible. I still can't complete 4 games in 35 minutes consistently. It's easily my weakest section despite putting all my focus on it.

    I knew there was no chance I could study for the February exam with school going on so I decided to take last December's while I was traveling so I could see where I was at. I missed an entire game on the LG section (filled in all Ds for it so I might have gotten me a point or two) and scored a 166.

    Since then I've taken 4 timed PTs and scored very well when I complete the LG section in time (172, 175) and worse when I don't (166, 167). Generally I lose very little on RC/LR (they're about equal losses for me) and that hasn't really changed since I started taking tests. That said I think the only way I'm getting accepted into a decent law school in Canada with my abysmal GPA (the program I'm in is terrible for GPA but that's another story) is with a T14 level LSAT. So I know that in all likelihood if continual drilling of LG sections is not improving my speed anymore I really need to be able to count on a -0/1/2 for each of the other three sections.

    BUT I also know that reading about LGs dramatically changed how I approach them and how I think about them. In some ways it's good, in some ways I think it's actually slowed me down (surely a lot of my improvement can be chalked down to repetition). I am very nervous about studying RC/LR extensively only to destroy some innate logic I've developed before the LSAT or to slow down my reasoning as I usually finish those sections with 1-2 minutes. I'm also worried of making my logic formulaic (as stupid as that might sound), because the way I approach RC/LR right now feels pretty organic, and the way I do LG feels totally formulaic.

    Of the questions I've gotten wrong, no type stands out. The only similarity between them is that they were all 4/5 star difficulty questions, but I have no types of question to drill/learn about specifically. So for anyone who has been at the point where they average -3/-5 or something like that on LR/RC and wanted to take that down to consistent -0/-2 did you manage it? And how did you go about doing it? Or if anyone found LR/RC came naturally to them did you find studying those sections specifically was actually detrimental? And if anyone thinks it's worth studying LR/RC, what would you say I should start with material wise? As for LG, is there any better speed improving strategy than to drill?

    Sorry this is so long or if it all comes off as paranoid. I'm just feeling a little nervous after talking to schools and finding out the level of score I'll have to get to be accepted anywhere decent and am kind of lost on how to move forwards from here.

    Proctors: The proctors at the test center were really quiet throughout the test (which I highly appreciated). They gave us a 5 minute warning and enforced all the rules they were told to follow for test day.

    Facilities: The building was pretty easy to get around. Right outside the building where the test was at, there was a sign that let you know the LSAT was taking place there. The bathrooms were right across the room where the test was being held. The slight downside was that when we finally got our 15 minute break, there were only 2 stalls in the women's bathroom and so it took a bit for all the girls to get to use the bathroom haha.

    What kind of room: The test was in a big, open room. The room felt comfortable in terms of temperature. The lighting was bright as it should be.

    How many in the room: I believe 20 people registered to take the test but only 15 showed up. The room could have easily fit 50 people so I was actually really happy that not that many people were there to take the test. Made my experience a whole lot better!

    Desks: Desks were long, spacious desks that could fit multiple people. There were about two people placed at each long desk and there was about 3 open seats between me and the other student taking the test. I had a lot of room to spread out my exam materials.

    Left-handed accommodation: Since the desks were just long tables, I assume that left-handed people would have no problem with taking the test on that kind of a desk. I am right-handed so I wasn't really paying attention to whether or not it affected any left-handed people.

    Noise levels: The room was pretty quiet. I never heard any outside noises. A few people in the room must have had a cold that day because I heard a lot of sniffling as well as people coughing. For the most part, it never really bothered me.

    Parking: Parking lot was really close to the hall. It took about a minute to walk to the building. It was also free parking which was an added bonus.

    Time elapsed from arrival to test: I got there really early so thankfully I was the first in line. Since there were only 15 people who showed up for the test, checking us all in did not take long. The test started for us at about 9:10 a.m. after instructions.

    Irregularities or mishaps: None!

    Other comments: All in all, it was a really good test center. Muhlenburg College is only 15 minutes from my house so the drive was pretty quick. Due to my experiences there I would highly recommend that anyone who lives within this area take the test there!

    Would you take the test here again? YES!!!!! Except, I am really upset that Muhlenburg is not an available test center location for the June 2016 administration (which I am of course signed up to take). The only time they administer tests at their location are for the December, February, and September/October administrations. This makes me so sad. :( So if anyone knows anything about the Penn State - Lehigh Valley test center, please let me know and post it on here!

    I'm taking the LSAT Flex at the end of this month. My laptop's built-in mic hasn't been working for the past week and I learned, today, that replacing it would mean replacing the entire laptop. I have a desktop microphone I can use but I'm unsure of whether LSAC allows this while taking the Flex and I can't seem to find an answer online or get anyone from LSAC on the phone.

    Anyone have experience with this?

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