How vital is it to have more than 2 letters of rec if a school takes up to 4? I've heard that if the school takes 4, you should submit 3. I have another recommender in mind but he would not be able to complete my letter until beginning of next year, so would it be better to submit my application with 2 letters earlier, or wait for 3?

Hi,

Is there anyone here that is an experienced developer that can help with an AI program that can take an article from the web and generate LSAT like RC questions from them?

The correct choice was B, I selected D. I found this statement really difficult to understand and even my BR took a while to do so if anyone can offer helpful tips on how they approached this question that would be greatly appreciated.

My reason for selecting the answer choice I did was because I made an assumption in the archaeologist's argument, I also confused myself with the grammar inside the stimulus.

This is how I am now understanding the question:

Treasure Hunter: Because of the rule, treasure hunters are entitled to what they retrieve since they are risking their lives. Since the rule applies, the ship is in peril. This condition must be met for the rule to apply.

Archeologist: They are not entitled to what they retrieve, the shipwrecks are stablized, the only danger they are exposed to is that of previous archaeologists and therefore are not in peril (implicitly stated). They are not in peril because for the rule to be met this condition must also be met, in this case it is not.

What they disagree about is whether or not the ship is in peril (B)

TH says this rule can be applied to a sunken ship. Implicitly saying that it is still in peril

A says nothing about the rule and only speaks about whether the treasure hunters are actually entitled to the artifacts or not. But since they are not entitled to the artifacts, the ship is not in peril.

(D) is incorrect because:

TH: agrees with the statement by saying even though they have sunk, treasure hunters are still entitled to what they discover because they risk their lives

A: Though they still risk their lives, they are only risking their lives because of other treasure hunters, not because the ship is in peril. But they make no mention about whether maritime law can be applied

I just finished the principle reasoning section, and I'm wondering if I should go back and redo the lawgic lessons. I still find myself really struggling with the forms (and wanting to use them when I attempt to answer the questions). Has anyone had the same problem? Or has anyone gone back and redone the lessons?

BTW I plan to take the LSAT for the first time in April

I have spent half of a year actively studying with 7Sage. I studied for a month in December last year (LR core) and have been consistently studying since May (full-time, 30 hours a week, till August and part time, 5-10 hours, since then). I scored a 144 on a diagnostic test on Khan Academy before 7Sage. My goal score is above a 170.

I did well on my first few practice tests beginning in September. My first PT was a 160 and my second test was a 167 (1 wrong on each of LR and LG, 9 wrong on reading); Dominating LR and LG while flunking reading was the norm for a while (with an all time high score of 168), so I was confident that everything would resolve itself once I aced RC.

Since then, my scores have consistently fallen with my last two tests being a 164 and a low of 162, despite learning the reading portion of the curriculum. The PTs I've done are from the mid 30s to 49, but I've only done about half of those, using the rest for more drilling. One possible explanation is that a few of my PTs were 3 section ones (but not my first 167) and I only recently switched back to 4 section PTs.

I don't think I'm burned out because I feel motivated to study. However, I do think I'm stuck in a cycle of rust because I only have time to do a few hours a week of studying (5-10 hours) due to my job. I either have to choose between reviewing mistakes for a couple sections or timed practice. For example, I brought my RC score down to below 5 consistently for a few section drills, but this investment caused my LG and LR scores to slip due to lack of time to practice these.

I have more time to study this week but long term, what do I do, besides building endurance by doing 4 section PTs? Though my RC score has improved, RC is still my worst section; but I also need work on LR and LG. And within each of these sections, I miss each question type at a similar rate, including a handful of easier questions, so it's not like all my problems are solved by drilling one question or game type.

My initial thought is do more fool-proofing in LG and do more blind review and wrong answer journaling/reviewing in LR. No clue what to do to improve RC though: my performance in that section feels random.

Hey everyone!

Wondering if there is anyone that currently has a parent with cancer and is studying for their LSAT? How has studying been? How are you managing both the LSAT and care-taking?

I was originally suppose to take the Nov LSAT and then bumped it to Jan because my father's cancer treatment was a large commitment, he currently has stage 3 skin cancer (don't forget to wear sunscreen everyday y'all). I have a few more days to decide if I still want to do the Jan LSAT or take it in Feb/early next year and apply next cycle (I'm PT'ing around 160-167 timed). I'm 24 right now and I know 26 is not old but I feel a bit pressured to get in next cycle at 25. I worry that I might commit to the Jan LSAT and then my father's cancer might progress which will only lead to more stress and anxiety.

Everyone around me has been nothing but supportive about any decision I make so I'm just looking to get any general advice from people experiencing the same or a similar thing! Thanks everyone and happy studying!!

Hey y'all,

I started taking practice tests about 2-3 weeks ago. For practically all my tests outside of my diagnostic, I've been scoring between 165-168. I spoke with a few of my friends that either attend law school or are working in the field already, and identified a few aspects that I thought would help me score higher, and possibly break the 170 barrier.

With newfound knowledge in mind, I took a test yesterday, and to my surprise, I scored 174! I'm almost certain this is a fluke, though. I don't think one can achieve a 6 point jump and maintain it consistently.

Including my diagnostic, I've only taken 10 tests though, so my sample size is small. Because of that, I don't feel confident I'll know my actual scoring range until I have several more tests under my belt.

My question: For those of you who aimed at and broke past a certain score threshold after plateauing, did you find your scores tend to stay past that threshold? Alternatively, did you find your performance was a fluke and your average scores surpass that goal some time after that first time breaking the threshold?

I'm most definitely not planning on using my most recent score as an excuse to slow things down, but I also want to know how other people in the community "knew" they had gotten over their humps.

Watsup Team! I hope everyone is doing well.

I took the LSAT 2 years ago and did not get the score I wanted. I ended up not retaking but continued on with my commercial real estate job.

Fast forward to today, I just began studying again. I have decided to take the new form of the LSAT (sans LG) in Aug of this year in order to apply to early decisions by November. I would like to pursue my dream of becoming a deal attorney here in the Mountain West.

For the next 9 months I will be solely studying LR and RC. My reasoning behind this is that 2 subjects are easier to study for than 3. Plus I was never great at LG lol. In fact, I hate LG. However, I (oddly enough) enjoy LR.

If anyone wants to start a study group to focus on the newest format of the LSAT, I am available.

Bon Chance!

I may have gone the optimistic route of going through this application cycle and am not only looking for advice but have some questions

. I was one of the few (probably) that submitted applications early in hopes that it would be easier for when I focus on my LSAT. So as it may, I’ve done all my applications between September and October. I’m practically stuck with what I have already submitted and am only waiting for my LSAT. Now that I am sitting here, I wish I had waited and done some more research/review before I decided to submit my applications. I do not believe my writing documents are bad, I have quite the confidence in them, but now i’m wondering how much better they could of been if I had a professional look at all my documents together to see what I am missing, what I could strengthen or completely omit.

I know my only options are to just email them some updated documents and hope they like what I’ve given them.

But I’m curious, is it possible to withdraw applications and resubmit in the same cycle? I do not think that’s possible, and even if it is. Does it look bad if you redo your application? Do they notice that you submitted one back in september, withdrew and then resubmitted a new one??

All advice would be helpful and if it’s just simply a silly idea, don’t be afraid to let me know. Law school won’t go away, so i know if it doesn’t work out this cycle, I have next year

I keep scoring around 147-155 for PT and around 165 for blind review. For some reason just can't overcome the timing, any tips?

no longer needed.

I am having some self doubt and would love to hear thoughts!

I have been studying for the LSAT since late September now, and have improved my score from a 152 -> 162 so far. I am hoping that if I keep up my pace I can get to a 168, but truly a 162 isn't bad either.

I am having doubt about if I timed taking the LSAT incorrectly. It's my first go-round, with little guidance on applications and I'm not applying to a t-15 school. Is January LSAT going to be too late to send in my scores with my apps? Should I wait to apply until after my LSAT? It will be the first I have taken.

I really want to apply this cycle, I am just now facing that doubt that I'm sure many do as the time creeps closer and you're doing something that no one near you has done.

Any advice? Tips? Relatability?

Thank you

i did it already but now i heard about the new core curriculum for the august test and beyond. i want to take the test after august so i will be taking the test without logic games

Re-posting this in a more organized manner so everything is in one place. Here is some context.

Last attempt for this cycle.

150 -> 155 -> 159.

I need a 161 at least to be at the median for my dream school. 2 more points.

Of course most of us feel less pressure / whole different dynamic practice test vs. real thing, but I was scoring 163 - 167 for the last 10 tests I took prior to the October LSAT. Not sure if my brain freezes or what. My average was 164 so I was expecting a 160 at least.

Please help, how can I get these two extra points? What would you do in my shoes?I guess Im asking if i retake all the ones i took and start from scratch 7sage? or focus more on review? obviously with the performance anxiety of it being real doesnt help me but instead is a deterrent, i need this to feel as "fake" and relaxed and possible. what do i do study method wise? Im willing to put in the work next month but dont know what to do study method wise.

Any help or insight would be much appreciated. thank you in advance

Well with the Nov test scores out, I finally have my stats and am ready to start applying.

2.47 CAS GPA

168 LSAT

7+ years WE with upward mobility

T3 softs

Pretty decent professional LOR

I don’t have any real geographic constraints (though my local regional school is my target.) Looking for splitter friendly schools and those likely to give scholarships to someone with my background. Thanks for any help!

hi, guys!

if possible, i'm looking for some advice - thank you so much in advance :) i have taken the LSAT four times and canceled one of my scores last october due to extenuating circumstances.

my fourth score, the nov. 2023 LSAT, is much lower (:/) than my highest score and i'm worried would put me in a disadvantageous position considering that i'm applying this application cycle, which i was planning to in the next couple of days but hadn't expected this. considering that i already have one score cancellation on my record, do you think that also cancelling my nov. 2023 LSAT score would be harmful to my application?

any and all thoughts are appreciated!!!

Hello all-

Can someone tell me what PT the following LG is?

A group of seven friends – Harriet, Ingrid, Jasper,

Katie, Linh, Mercedes, and Nate—are deciding which

of them will compete in next week’s Chili Cook-Off.

The friends make their decisions consistent with the...

HELP ADMIN

Thank you SO much!!

I really need to solve this game and having a difficult time so would like the explanation.

I just took the November lsat and got a 162. My gpa is around a 3.88 but I think it might end up being higher when CAS adds in my scores from other schools. I really wanted to go to Fordham Law but I don't think I'll be able to get in with this score. I know I could do better because I was scoring between 163-169 on practice tests. Should I cancel my current score and take the January test? getting scholarships is really important to me because I am paying for law school all on my own. I am nervous all the money will be gone if I wait that long.

I don't know if this is common, but I have seen great improvements in logic games especially, now averaging around a minus 2, and similar (but not as extreme) increases in LR. Oddly enough though my RC has been dropping and I find myself more confused than ever.

I'm an undergraduate student juggling full-time work, full time study while living independently. My current gpa is 3.8. In my initial attempt at the LSAT, I began with a diagnostic score of 135. Despite dedicated self-study since September 2023, my November LSAT score was 143, falling short of my goal in the 158-160 range. This was disheartening, especially considering my average practice scores were in the 150s. As a mature student, I'm eager to avoid waiting another year.

Seeking guidance, I've never enlisted the help of a tutor, relying solely on self-study. I'm now seeking advice on recommended books, potential tutoring options, or any resources that could aid in reaching my goal. Any assistance or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Hello. I was wondering how many drills you all are doing when you reach the Drill at the end of a LR question type section. I just completed the PAI section and did two drills because I felt like I needed more practice.

Thanks!

Hello all,

I have recently created a Discord server that can be used as a study group of sorts for upcoming test takers, primarily for those taking the test in January or February. Feel free to join whether you are a beginner or have been studying for awhile.

We will use this space not only to hold regular sessions to help out everyone along their studying journey, but also we have a messaging board that is open to all to use for whatever questions they may have.

Please feel free to join using the link below, and feel free to comment if you have any questions or issues when it comes to either joining the server link or making an account. I will be happy to help anyone out!

Hope to see you there.

https://discord.gg/bqtRtkDd

stimulus :

"There can be a known known only if theres a known unknown, but there can never be an unknown unknown without a known unknown. Thus, every unknown unknown which is known is actually a known unknown which is unknown."

the conclusion above follows logically if which one of the following is assumed?

the content of this question is inspired by the "Rumsfeld Matrix." What would be a sufficient assumption for this question? Is this a hard question or did you find it on the easier end of SA questions?

Hello 7sage community,

I have been studying for the LSAT for about 3.5 years. Normally, time standardized tests are one of my weaknesses. I have been using 7sage for the past 2.5 years and recently finished the core curriculum (CC) in July. Some of the reasons why it took me a while to finish the CC is because one of my professors and I are trying to publish a law article at the same time, and I work. Since my first practice test in July after completing CC, I have been able to raise my score from a 132 to a 144. Despite the progress, I am unsure of how to increase my score anymore. My desire score is a 156 on the LSAT by April of 2024. I want to concentrate on improving in LR and LG to achieve my target score. I recently bought “The Loophole” by Ellen Cassidy and intend to read it soon. And have been fool proofing logic games too. Is there anyone willing to be my study buddy, who is currently PTing in the 150s or higher, or is there any other advice that someone can give me to increase my score?

(P1) According to dinosaur fossils, dinosaurs had an oxygen isotope ratio in their bones that suggests that their CORES had roughly the same temperature as their LIMBS.

(P2) Today, cold-blooded animals have much warmer CORES than LIMBS.

(MC) Therefore, dinosaurs were probably warm-blooded.

Weaken

This argument assumes, among other things, that warm-blooded animals, unlike cold-blooded animals, do NOT have much warmer CORES than LIMBS, or some other temperature distribution that deviates even more from the dinosaurs'. To anticipate the right answer, I thus was expecting a weaking option targeting this assumption.

(A) Unlike cold-blooded animals, warm-blooded animals only have SLIGHTLY warmer CORES than LIMBS. This goes in the direction of my pre-phrase but is not very strong. Crucially, it remains more likely that dinosaurs were warm-blooded than that they were cold-blooded, just as the author claims. So this answer choice does not seem to actually weaken, even though it gets at the assumption that the author makes, and that I had identified as the weak point of their argument.

(B) Dinosaur fossils don't actually allow you to do the temperature inference described in (P1). This answer is very unusual in that it attacks a premise rather than the reasoning in the argument. Nevertheless, this answer choice definitely weakens, since it takes away the data about dinosaurs that the author presupposes. Keep this answer choice around but be vigilant; see if a less premise-focused answer choice is available.

(C) About oxygen generally. Does not seem to pertain to the argument.

(D) Body temperatures in small and large animals other than dinosaurs. Does not seem to connect directly to the argument; especially since the stimulus does not identify dinosaurs as either small or large.

(E) Warm-blooded animals are more active and use more oxygen than cold-blooded animals. This again does not seem to relate directly to the argument under consideration.

(C), (D), and (E) turn out to be largely unrelated to the argument in the stimulus, and (A) does not seem to weaken the inference made by the author. This leaves (B) as the only remaining answer choice, and thus (B) must be right.

Nevertheless, (B) feels very much uncomfortable and is unusual. (B) just straight up contradicts information that we get in the stimulus, rather than attacking the author's reasoning. It also seems unusual to have this sort of unexpected answer choice so early in the section; just expecting straightforward questions in (Q1)-(Q10) is too naive.

I originally chose (A) because I got too focused on my anticipation of how the right answer could look like, and thus I neglected (B). Nevertheless, a more careful examination of what (A) and (B) are actually saying would have allowed me to get this question right. I need to stay alert to the details of individual answers and compare them against each other; a more thorough examination between (A) and (B) would have allowed me to see that (A) does not in fact weaken and that (B)'s unusual character does not prevent it from being the right answer here. Read answer choices carefully, compare them against each other, and choose the one that has the fewest problems.