I've now scored 168 three times with a 166 sandwiched in between. PTs have been consistently above 170 of late but clearly it hasn't happened on the real thing. Already registered for one last rip in August. Anybody else managed to pull this ignominious feat? I need to commiserate.

Hi! So I was admitted this March to do an M.A. program at my undergrad which would allow me to work toward my BA and MA at the same time. However, despite doing the program for about 2 months and loving it, I could not find any means of receiving financial assistance through research assistantships, TA-ing, etc. so I decided that I would transfer everything from my graduate transcript back to my undergrad transcript and withdraw from the program. Law school is already really expensive, so I didn't think this would be cost effective! I believe that everything else seeming normal, some of the courses on my transcript are at the graduate level, and I'm not sure if it would be written anywhere that I withdrew from this program. Furthermore, I'd really love to get into the law school program at the same undergrad I went attended!

Would all of this be something that I should disclose in my application? Thanks. :-)

I hope my question's not too confusing.

Does anyone know the closing time for the 7Sage 7K Law School Scholarship? It says on July 1st. Does that mean at midnight tonight or tomorrow?

Well, I got my June Flex score back and, at 163, it's two points higher than my best PT score and above the 75th for my target schools. I'm not a 170+ scorer obviously, so take this as you will: The best piece of advice I got was to stop trying to finish every section and focus instead on getting the questions I attempted correct. On the official test I only finished the LR section in its entirety, 2.5 games, and 3 RC passages. I had to bubble blindly on the rest. If you're not aiming for the T14, that might be okay for you too.

Good luck to all of you, and thank you for the support!

Hello,

I am new to using the PrepTest feature and am preparing to take the August 21/October 21 exams.

Should I be preparing using "stimulate flex" and having three scored sections or having 4 scored sections?

I want to be using my time correctly and efficiently.

Please let me know!

Thanks,

Maxwell James

I got my score back and got a 159. Honestly I started crying but then realized a few months ago I thought I would never get past a 155 (diagnostic was a 148). I am proud of myself and I feel for anyone who feels like a failure for reading posts about people being upset with a 170. A 159 is the 75th percentile -- the top quartile. Of course that's something to be proud of. Even though I will retest in August, I am actually kind of proud of my score given how much work I've put it and raising it +11 points.

That being said, I will be continuing to use 7Sage in July to prep for August. I am aiming for 163 at the lowest (+4 point increase). Does anyone have advice on what to do in the short amount of time I have? My +11 point increase took me a year to get, I started studying in May 2020. Is a private tutor worth it for a month? I already know that success can only come with timed practice and real practice tests, which I of course plan to do. Any advice would be so appreciated.

And seriously... do not let discussions about 165/170+ being "mediocre" blindside you. This forum is filled with a very concentrated pool of dedicated people. A majority of people would do anything to break 155, 160 and 165. Reaching your goal is an achievement even if that goal is someone else's diagnostic. Congratulations to anyone who has studied their ass off and put themselves through months of practice tests and weeks of waiting to know how you did.

My score came out and after 6 months of additional studying it’s 2 points lower than my first take. I feel like I choked on test day and the 2nd score isn’t representative of my current abilities at all. At the same time, I’ve heard that more than 2 takes can be a red flag to top schools. What do y’all think? Go for a 3rd?

I am guessing I am not the only one who didn't get the score they have hoped for on the June exam (which hurts terribly after over a year of studying). Passing along two things that made me feel better after my last disappointment that I will revisit again this time....

This article: https://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/if-you-didnt-get-the-lsat-school-you-dreamed-of/. After you read it, I suggest making a sticky note with "Never flinch. Be tough. Be unflappable. Be upbeat." somewhere on your workstation. I look at it every time I want to quit.

Any episode of the 7sage podcast with a " lower score - (170+ score)" in the title. Almost every single high scorer that JY has on the pod has multiple lower takes with a rollercoaster of disappointments. We are not alone in scoring below our PTs and can benefit from other people's stories.

Please drop any other motivating tips below.... August here we come!!

Does anyone know of legal jobs that involve or allow for part-time work? I'm just curious, and would appreciate any and all leads you all have for niches in the field of law (or even outside of law, but suitable for people with a JD) that are amenable to part-time or flexible work.

Four f*cking years. I'm tired. I'm so tired of this shitty test. I go at most a -4 in RC and a -1 in LG. LR, though, is a complete and utter mess. I score anywhere from a -5 to a -13, or hell, even worse. I have no control over this section. I've been trying to master this section for four years now and I cannot. I've tried every resource available, every study technique, but LR success utterly evades me. I've done every LR section in existence. On the most recently released test (the May one), I went -4 in RC; -1 in LG; and -11!!!!!! in LR.

I'm so close to giving up. I was waitlisted by every school I applied to this cycle with a 164, and I can't see myself scoring any better in August because I seem to be getting worse in LR, not better. Worse. I have no idea what to do anymore.

If anyone can help me, please reach out. I really need help and I need advice for sanity-sake.

I consistently get -3 (or -4) every LR section and can't seem to improve.

If anybody has read this book, would you recommend it for someone who is really struggling with LR even after going through the entire CC here on 7sage?

Wow the 7Sage Analytics average score was my exact Flex score! Thank you JY and 7Sage community wishing you all the best and may all your dreams come true!!!

LSAC told me that my test session was being reviewed; how long do I need to wait for the score to be released? My writing portion was done prior to the April exam and not getting a score has made me anxious.

I've fallen really really behind on my 7sage self studying due to summer jobs and classes. I'm planning on taking the lsat in early-mid fall. I've taken the lsat before last year, but wanting this time to be my last time.

Can you recommend what lessons really pay attention to for all 3 areas (LG, LR, RC)? If not all three, then at least LG. Because I'm so behind, I don't think it would be beneficial to my studying if I were to play catch up. Instead, I would like to focus on the lessons that really target those areas.

In addition to this, I'm planning on taking as many practice tests as possible. Someone wrote on here once they were taking 3 tests a day which I can only dream of doing, but planning on taking a test every other day.

Any other studying advice and tips would be appreciated! :)

Thank you in advance!

Some context - I took the Lsat in January and got a low 160s score for the third time. Each time a new section would throw me off (I’d walk out of the test thinking I got destroyed by a section because I genuinely didn’t understand a passage, figure out a game or felt that the LR was hard question after hard question). My official scores were always on the lower end of my test practice anywhere from low to high 160s.

Feeling discouraged, I decided to take a couple weeks off and prepare to retake again this June. I hired a private professional tutor who helped me focus on fundamentals like being extremely precise with my reading and understanding of passages and stimuli where I saw consistent improvements in my practice. By fully understanding the questions and the all the ACs I was able to improve my accuracy a lot. I began timing myself when I could consistently get -2/-4 on LR and -3/-4 avg on RC. I was taking one full timed exam a week and reviewing/taking timed sections during the week. I repeated this up until June where my pts ranged from mid 160s to low mid 170s. I was -2/-4 on Lr, -1/-2 games, and -3/-5 on RC on average on full tests timed. Many misses were from timing on Lr/RC from skipping the PR/PF/insane diagramming or just running out of time. I’d also make mistakes from falling for trap answer choices. I’d always make one small error on LG from misreading or guessing.

This June, I blanked on a game guessing on 4 questions and thought the Lr questions were were difficult to understand especially in the beginning. RC I felt rushed toward the end but I understood all the passages. I’m really upset that I blanked on the game because it was a fair game that was similar to something I remembered in my practice. I don’t know what caused me to miss out on making the necessary inferences and falling apart. ( I had 8-9 mins so I definitely had enough time for this game).

Overall I didn’t think the test was hard and in fact I thought it was easier than the other ones I took. I also don’t believe that a hard test is a reason for not doing well since all the sections end up balancing out. If I had to guess I’d say I missed 5 on lg, maybe 7-9 on Lr and probably at least 3/4 on RC. As you can tell I’m falling way below my average with LG and Lr.

As a result I ended up doing a lot worse than my PTs and didn’t see any improvement from January. I feel confused because I spent so much time, energy, resources studying, and I’ve fallen short so many times.

In terms of my goals I’m not even aiming for a certain score at this point - all I want is to see some improvements. But after so long and so many misses I’m not sure how to move forward.

I’ve done every game multiple times timed, read each passage either from cc or timed sections/test and also done and reviewed almost every LR except for some super old ones. I want to give it one more shot but don’t know how to prepare given what I’ve already done and don’t want to see the same result repeat. Appreciate any advice. Thank you!

Hi guys, I just got back my score! Does anyone know if we can access the IRR for the June 2021 Flex? My icon says "not available yet". It would be super helpful for review.

Got my second score back today and it was 2 points lower than my first. I really feel like I froze up on test day and that my score isn’t representative of my abilities at all- way lower than my PT average as well. I want to retake, but I’ve heard how top schools look at more than 2 takes as a red flag. Is that true? Would y’all retake?

Hello all!

I am taking the August LSAT and am almost down with the core curriculum. I will have 5 1/2-6 weeks dedicated to taking practice exams, reviewing them, and focusing on my weaknesses. Does anybody have any ideas/tips of how many PTs I should try to fit into those few weeks?

Thanks for you help and happy studying!

Let me start off by saying that, in every other area, whether in LR or LG, JY's suggested techniques have worked brilliantly for me. As long as the hours and repetitions are put in consistently and core curriculum hasn't been skimmed through, I believe these methods are widely applicable for most, if not all, people. JY is the man. In RC, however, it has often felt like I've been trying to force his 'low res' technique to sink in and, after countless hours of trying to hammer this technique home, my brain's natural method of information intake just doesn't seem to agree with it. This post is more relevant for people who take in information in a similar manner to me (eg: You read an article once through without distraction or stopping and can summarize it confidently)

When using the low res summary technique, each time I underline, circle, scribble a low res paragraph summary, etc, it tends to A) distract me (almost a 'context shift' for anyone familiar with Cal Newport) from actually absorbing/comprehending information, B) slow me down both in terms of sheer getting through the passage and comprehending first time through (resulting in inefficient sentence re-reads) or C) both.

Last week, out of tired frustration more than anything, I just randomly started reading passages all the way through without stopping to mark anything- just recreational reading like I would any book or magazine for fun. Definitely TMI, but I treated it as if it was just light reading a magazine on the toilet (which tbh was where I discovered this method), and it's strangely worked. I've gone -0 on nearly all RC passages since. I have a better feeling for passage structure and paragraph purposes, however, the main issue this has solved is timing. Because of my mind having a tendency to lose track of context or details every time I stop to mark the passage, that resulted in many sentences being re-read, resulting in 5-6 minutes being spent on passage analysis and STILL sometimes missing ideas, which then meant spending more time on certain questions than necessary. Simply reading it straight through like I would an FT article solves all of that for me. I'm acutely aware of how ridiculous this all sounds, but it's working so far regardless of 'cookie-cutter' passage type, subject matter (which used to catch me out, especially Art) or passage difficulty level. I thought tougher RecSE- type questions that require recall of specific or hidden details would expose me, but I actually feel better with these types as well.

Has anyone else done this or something similar? Is this going to come back and bite me in the ass?

Hi all,

My professor is asking "what points will be helpful" for his LOR, but what would be important information to provide? My brain is not computing lol

:)

So I'm sure there are tons of previous discussion forum posts about this exact question, but I wanted to make my own so I could insert where I am personally.

I have a 160 score on file from February... I took the LSAT basically on a whim and studied for about a week or two (and that study was largely unproductive since I was taking non-timed individual sections without blind review, etc.).

I've now been using 7Sage for about a month and am progressing very well. It seems like I can make a significant improvement on my February score and open up more opportunities for myself. I think I'm trending towards the 165-170 mark and that feels like a completely different score than the 160 I have currently. However, I've always heard that applying as early as possible is a good thing for law school.

Could someone give me advice on whether or not waiting until early November is "too late" for the next cycle as far as scholarships, etc. are concerned? I understand that every cycle is different, but what's the norm?

I could probably stretch and make it through the Core Curriculum in time for the August LSAT date - but I'd definitely be rushing and wouldn't have the opportunity to really reflect on what I've learned, or to solidify those skills with multiple practice tests.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

If you have two test scores, do law schools take the highest score or the most recent?

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When you are forced to brute force a MBT question, what is the best way to go about it? I try and eliminate as much as I can right away. With the ACs that are left, I just negate them and see if I arrive at a contradiction. The problem is that there is more than one way to negate an AC. For example, if the AC says A must be in group 1, then you could put A in group 2,3 etc.. What do you do in this situation?