Dear All,

Hope quarantine finds you all well! I have posted in the past I just graduated with a 3.75 from a top 30 undergrad and have experience with tribal nations and international criminal law. My weakness is a 156 LSAT which i am hopefully changing in april, I have been testing consistently in the 162-5 range. Once I got the 156 I was sure no law school would want me but my friend made me apply to 3. My results so far is waitlists from both GW and BC. I am curious how hard it is to go off these schools waitlists'? Also I am curious if I should just take a gap year and try again with a fresh batch of schools?

Since there are only finite LSAT resources, how do you all feel about/go about retaking practice tests?

I understand that retake scores are not reflective of real test scores at all, but is it still helpful to retake? Is there anything that I ought to do differently for retakes for a more accurate score?

I took a pretty long break from LSAT studies during finals week at school, and have been struggling to get back into it. I figured retaking an old PT may be a good jumping off point as I can get the feel for testing again without wasting a fresh test.

Any advice (re: retakes or jumping back in after a break) would be much appreciated!

My first diagnostic, I scored a 134. I signed up with 7Sage and only had two months to study prior to taking the Feb 20, 2020 LSAT. My second dignostic few days before the big day was 142. I thought about not going in for the LSAT because I just did not feel prepared (for obvious reasons). But alas, my over zealousness kicked in. I sat for the LSAT. I did not feel good walking out of it because I was ill prepared. I knew that going in but like I said, I just wanted to give it a go. YOLO. Anyway, I received my score few days ago, and let me just say LMAO. I saw it coming a mile away. I scored a 143. I am looking at it this way, I improved by 9 points just studying off and on for two months. I now want to register for November 2020 and give myself solid seven months to study.

But here is the dilemma, this voice in my head is saying to drop this and work towards masters in Social Work. My end goal is to help people who feel helpless. I also want to help neglected children. I know I can achieve this goal by being a social worker but I am not a quitter. I had Loophole delivered to my house today. I want to pick it up and fix the errors and get better. I know I can get better but why am I feeling this way?

Hi everyone, if you were registered for the March test (that LSAC canceled), please send an email to studentservice at 7sage.com and we will extend your account for +1 month.

Hey everyone,

I been looking at this argument for a couple days and can't find the flaw. Can someone please help me find it. Thank you.

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Hi 7sagers!

I'm just starting out this whole process and I'm working on CC right now and while this whole quarantine thing is horrible, it has given me a lot of time to dedicate to studying! I scored a 139 on my diagnostic (I'm not proud but it is what is) and I'm looking to maximize and go all the way!!! I'm planning on taking the August exam so that gives me roughly 5/6 months to study. I love how positive and supportive this platform is and I'm looking for some accountability buddies to help keep me on track and I would do the same! Let's knock out this test together.

Some extra facts about my study plan is I'm a full time student but now I have a whole lot of free time so if anyone wants to drop some study tips/hacks, that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!!

Hi guys, happy quarantine/social distancing am i right... T^T

I'm in college and the rest of our semester got shifted to online classes, and I am also the type of person that needs to go to the library to study, because I have no self control and easily distracted, i am trying to see who would like to potentially join me in my virtual study room and to keep each other on track for LSAT! I'm looking for people who would like to talk about strategies and ways of go about certain questions... or just want a study buddy to keep each other accountable.

Please comment below and join me! we can do this together!

Stay safe!

I hate that I have to bring up something "negative" but realistic. I have been thinking more and more about the impact of getting into debt during a potential recession and gaining employment after law school. Would anyone happen to have any insight in regards to the impact of a recession on the legal field?

Thanks,

Joseph

How do you guys deal with LR questions that you don't understand during your blind review? I mean the ones that you spent over like 2+ hours (even over a day) and you still did not understand (that is, even after viewing Powerscore forums). Should I leave them aside for a while? (there aren't that many - two to three - on 6 PTs so far) Would love to hear from someone with a 170+. Thanks!

This has always happened from time to time on my account at least but seems like it's been happening even more frequently these past 2 weeks. Is there anything I can do about this or is this a server-related glitch?

Hello everyone

Apologies for spamming the forum with all these posts but..

JUST SO EXCITED TO SHARE THAT I GOT INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL!!!!

I got the call this morning and still feel like I’m in a dream. I’m over the moon!

This is quite possibly the second best price of news I’ve ever received. Yes because getting my dream LSAT score was definitely still more exciting because this wouldn’t have been possible without it... if I’m being totally honest.

Anyway, my thoughts about LSAT prep still remains the same, and even reinforced further with this amazing piece of news: Everything is worth it in the end!!!

You’ll see stories like this all the time here on 7sage. Why do so many of us take the time to share our joy here with the rest? It’s because this community is so strong, and the support we’ve received from each other along the way helps make these dreams a reality

I’m just happy that I’m getting to live my American Dream

Keep grinding!

I am curious to know if your BR process for any of the sections evolved at all once you started scoring in the 170s or once you were consistently hitting your target score. Did you still spend as much time on the "easier" questions during BR?

Thanks!

Over 15 months after scoring a 139 diagnostic and over 4 months after getting my first 160+ I have finally crossed the biggest bridge. Feels so good to have put so much work into something so difficult and see the benefits...even though it's taken what feels like an eternity lol.

I know posts like this helped to encourage me before I even started studying so I thought I'd share my recent feat. If anyone wants any advice DM me as I'd be happy to provide some of the insight I've gained thus far.

Happy studying y'all!

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Hey, 7sage fam!

I figured now that my admissions cycle is over, I should come back and let you guys know how I fared. :)

Out of 7 apps, I had 4 wait lists and 3 accepts. My highest app was at T-10, so I'm pretty happy that I didn't get a single rejection (I'm a reverse-splitter).

Out of my admits, I got scholarship offers at all three. I would have been honored to attend any of them. Two schools became very competitive, with both offering full tuition + extra. I had a really hard time choosing, but ultimately, I chose the one that I thought offered the best education while also fitting my needs (and my family's needs). It's a state school that's well respected, and while it's not a T-14 (it is above T-50), I couldn't pass up an offer that essentially pays me to go to a good school.

The offer was binding, so I won't know what ever might have happened on my wait lists. That bums me out a little (not knowing), but, honestly, I'm thrilled at this outcome and that this process is finally over. This is the end to ~2 years of studying, practicing, testing, writing, interviewing and waiting. I'm officially a law student this year! :D

Best of luck to my fellow c/o 2023 peers and for all of you who come after. (3(/p)

-AR

Hello! This is my first time posting here, I am feeling shy but thank you in advance for any advice you may give!

I've been taking some full PTs as well as using them as problem sets and I find myself constantly overthinking LR questions during BR. I'll get the answer right timed, but when I'm untimed I often linger and fall for the trap answer. I feel like this happens more often in the easier questions too than in the more difficult ones, so I'm stumped lol. I'd greatly appreciate any tips on where to begin in kicking this bad habit. I'm taking the test in July and LR is my weakest section. I'll also be re-reviewing the CC but there's little consistency in which question types I miss so it's not easy to pinpoint.

Thank you and I hope everyone is studying the best they can while prioritizing personal safety in our current climate.

Hi everyone, at what point to you map things out? I have gone through a good chunk of the CC (now at more MBT questions) and I answer every question in my head using intuition, not mapping them out, and get most correct. I'm afraid if I map them out using lawgic that this will take me too much time. If I am getting most questions right, should I stick with my intuition or start mapping them out? I have reviewed logic a few times, but it just isn't clicking.

Hey guys, I had a difficult time eliminating answer choice C on this one. I do understand why A is correct but I can't 100% eliminate C. Explanations I've come across indicate that C just restates what was already stated in the premises, but I still see some slight gaps that C would seem to fill in, so I'm going to take a stab at what I think is going on here, and was hoping I could get some feedback as to whether there's more to add to my explanation or to confirm that it is sufficient. So here it is:

Basically, this is a sufficient/psuedo sufficient assumption question.

The argument is as follows:

Conclusion:

4) What is relevant is not symbolism (not S) but what it directly presents (DP). (R--->not S and DP)

Analysis:

So I see that symbolism is a new term in the conclusion, and I would like to get from R-->not S). I know from "2)" that R-->not E, so I see that adding in not E-->not S would allow the portion of the conclusion, R--->not S to follow via R-->not E-->not S. So that makes sense for A being correct.

However, when I ready the conclusion: "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is not what a painting symbolizes, but what it directly presents to experience," I ignored what was in between the commas and was looking to justify the conclusion, "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is what it directly presents to experience." So I focused on that.

Looking back at the premises, I saw from "1)" that paying attention necessitates intrinsic properties and from "3)" that paying attention also necessitates looking at what is directly presented. But the premises never explicitly connected intrinsic properties to that which is directly presented; it was simply implied.

So going back to the conclusion -- which I qualified thinking that the middle (not S) was extraneous -- I thought that in order to conclude, "What is relevant is what is directly presented (R-->DP), I figured why not make the intrinsic/directly presented connection explicit? So I plugged answer choice C) Relevant-->Intrinsic, leading to (R-->Intrinsic)--->DP.

Where I think I might have gone wrong:

Plugging in Relevant-->Intrinsic still leaves the the original gap between Intrinsic and Directly Presented open. Also, Was answer C already stated in Premise 2) as E-->not R, as the contrapositive of R-->Intrinsic?

The way I was supposed to have thought about it?:

Paying attention leads to looking at only intrinsic properties and paying attention involves only looking at what is directly presented, so there's no leap in concluding that intrinsic properties involve what is directly presented. So it adds nothing to the part of the conclusion that what is Relevant are only instrinsic properties.

However, connecting Relevant to whatever is not symbolic is an open gap that never connected Extrinsic properties to being symbolic and hence answer choice A) making this explicit completely (or almost entirely in the case of this being psuedo-sufficient) bridges the gap.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi all,

As many of you are undoubtedly aware, these are some very difficult times for a myriad of reasons. These are also some very lonely times, and it's looking like isolation/quarantining will be happening for some time until things start to settle down. I wanted to share some quick thoughts on the importance of mentally reframing this period of isolation in the context of studying for the LSAT. As someone who relies on socializing and going out into the world regularly (I spend most of my time away from home because I love being out and about and staying busy all the time) to stimulate me, I've been quite nervous about how to prepare myself for hunkering down at home for the next few months. This is, of course, FAR from the biggest issues many people are currently facing, and I am immensely grateful for the fact that my family is still healthy and that I have a home in the first place. But I know the difficulty of isolation is on a lot of people's minds because we're all social creatures who are used to our freedom to move about whenever and wherever we please.

For those of us who have been planning to take the LSAT sometime this summer or beyond (or who just generally have more time to study now), it's important, in my opinion, to reframe this time of isolation and try to view it as an opportunity to truly get at the core of our LSAT journey, which is self-discipline and transformation. Isolation is a curse in many ways, but it's also a blessing. In the immediate context of the LSAT, it eliminates virtually all distractions and forces us to sit down and to study. Beyond the immediate context of the LSAT, it pushes us out of our comfort zones, puts us back in touch with ourselves and the things about ourselves that we should work on and improve, and reminds us of what's truly important. This may seem very abstract and irrelevant, but in my view, it's all part of the LSAT's transformative journey. If we're spending months and even years studying for this one exam, then we should absolutely view it as a transformative journey and try to connect it to as many aspects of our non-LSAT lives as possible. Given that the LSAT is definitely a psychological test, it can be tremendously helpful to take this time to work on our mental strength and resilience, all of which will inevitably influence our LSAT work. And as important as confidence is when practicing for and writing the LSAT, humility and selflessness is also just as important - for one, it allows us to understand and accept our weaknesses so that we can work on them and turn them into strengths. So we should also take the time to offer some extra support to our friends and families and do what we can to help out the more vulnerable members of our society during these trying times.

Stay safe everyone, and happy no-distractions LSAT studying!

I've watched a few webinars on how BR should be done and read a lot of post on what some people do. I'm just curious which kind of BR seems to be more helpful/liked among the community! I'll give a brief description of each option below;

Option #1: You create a new copy of your PT and retake all the questions untimed. This way you don't see your previous AC you selected.

Option #2: You use the same copy PT and review the questions you circled. Comparing the AC you circled to the other AC.

If there is another way that you review I'd love to hear about it!

Hi everyone,

Like a lot of people here, I was registered to take the March 30 LSAT and now am figuring out what to do with my time between now and the April 25 LSAT (hopefully no later than that, but we will see). I felt ready to take the test in 2 weeks but am hoping to see this as an opportunity to push my score into a really solid range-- with that, I was wondering if people had suggestions for what to do.

My last 6 PTs have been 173, 170, 173, 177, 171, and 173. I would love to push my score from the low-170s range into 175+ with these extra 6 weeks. I would say I average -4/5 total on LR (both sections combined), -0/2 on RC, and LG is my weakest/most volatile section with -2/4. So far for studying, I have been taking 1 PT per week but will probably push that to 1 every 4 days now. My classes are also online so I will have more time on my hands.

So with that said, any suggestions about how to maintain and improve over this uncertain time? I have no real urgency to take the LSAT this spring as I am not applying to law schools fall 2020, but I would love to get it over with. Thank you all, and stay healthy!

Hi everyone, we've just been told by LSAC that the March LSAT is cancelled due to the coronavirus.

Future LSAT administrations have not been canceled yet.

If this affects you, please let us know (studentservice at 7sage.com). We will extend your course for +1 month.

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All of us at LSAC are saddened by the COVID-19 outbreaks affecting so many countries and communities around the world. Our hearts go out to all of the individuals, families, and communities that have been affected. We are working with global, national, and local officials to comply with local health directives and guidance, while striving to address the needs of test takers and schools.

Due to the growing COVID-19 emergency, LSAC has made the difficult decision to cancel the March LSAT administration worldwide, consistent with the advice of public health authorities. Candidates will be rescheduled for the next test administration in their area and offered additional scheduling options should public health authorities continue to limit travel and in-person interactions later this spring. LSAC is working closely with its member law schools to help assure a smooth enrollment process for candidates who may still be planning to apply for fall 2020 admission.

Cancelling the March test is a difficult step, but we believe it is the most responsible course of action to protect test takers, testing personnel, and the broader community in a fair and equitable manner that does not result in disparities in access to testing for vulnerable populations or candidates from different regions. As you know, public health authorities are urging (and increasingly mandating) immediate proactive steps by businesses, organizations, and individuals to limit travel and interactions to slow the spread of the disease and help our health care systems keep pace with demand that could otherwise be overwhelming.

We are taking swift action to try to ease the impact of this cancellation and to support all law school candidates during this crisis. We know the candidates you advise may have many questions, so I want to let you know what we are doing, including the following steps:

All March registrants in the U.S., Canada, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands have been automatically registered for the April 25 test in the community where they were registered for the March test. All March registrants in other regions have been automatically registered for the June test in their locations. We know that with widespread university closures, travel restrictions, and other disruptions caused by this crisis that some candidates may wish to change locations. Our staff are available and eager to help; candidates who prefer a different date or location, or any other change, should please contact our Candidate Services team at LSACinfo@LSAC.org or 215.968.1001.

While none of us can predict how the COVID-19 virus situation will evolve, we are hopeful that the April and June tests will be able to go forward as planned. We will continuously monitor the situation and provide updates as necessary.

Given the uncertainty of this evolving crisis, we are also aggressively exploring options to administer the LSAT in alternative ways that will best protect the health and well-being of test takers and the broader community. These alternatives could include secure remote-proctored tests, an additional spring/summer administration, and other options that would meet evolving public health guidelines.

We are working with our member law schools that are still accepting applications for fall 2020 enrollment to help expand flexibility on deadlines for their candidates. We applaud our member schools’ support of candidates and are confident that our admission community will continue to respond to this crisis with compassion and agility. We are also supporting our member schools as they move from in-person to on-line support of admitted candidates as the enrollment cycle for fall 2020 concludes.

Thank you for your support, and the support you provide to students and candidates. Please don’t hesitate to reach out if you have questions.

Has anyone gotten their results yet?

I converted a PT to the paper format so it would be easier to complete a broken test and submit my answers afterward.

Where can I input my BR answer choices? Without BR answers, my analytics could be a bit askew.