Hello all, I will be taking the October LSAT and would like to take and BR at least 20 PT's between now and then. I have a schedule laid out that I will follow, and if I fall a bit under 20 I'm OK with that. My question is this, which tests should I start with in order to build momentum? Would it make sense to start at PT 60 and work my way up? Are the most recent tests the best place to end before the test? Thanks for your help!!!

So I think I have a different goal than a lot of people that I've seen on here. My goal is to to get through law school debt free. Obviously, nobody knows for sure but maybe yall might have some insight or even thoughts. Do you think having a LSAT score that is a couple points over the 75% of the the school and a median GPA is enough to get a full tuition scholarship?

Does anyone know how to pay by installments for the Unlimited Editing package? Thanks in advance.

7Sage Community,

I came to you all optimistic, wide eyed, and confident that I would ace the LSAT.

That being said, I’m sure as most of you found out quickly, the journey comes with bumps and bruises that showed me how difficult this test really is.

I have worked 40-50 hours every week, got engaged, and got married ALL while studying for the test. I could not have gotten there without the help and support of you all.

I finished my LSAT career on top, 154. To put this in perspective, on my first prep test attempt I didn’t even make it out of the first logic game. I didn’t get more than 5 questions right for LR, and RC left me bewildered at how someone could read so much info so quickly. To go from that place to a 154...I will take it all day everyday.

I’m sure that many will read this and say go for a higher score again, but I am at peace. I studied for a year and a half for this test on my own and with a 7Sage approved tutor (Dave Binghamton, shout out to my dude). There is nothing left to give and that’s okay, some make 170’s...but I made a 154. Damn proud of that sucker too!

I recently finished up writing my Personal Statement and Diversity Statement with the help of the 7Sage Admissions team (Shout out to Selene Steelman). HIGHLY recommend that, if you have the funds, go buy the unlimited edits package. Great deal and even better help!

I start my applications the day they come open, so for many that will be September 1. Not only do I feel confident in my abilities to get into a great law school, but I know I will have a fighting chance thanks to you 7Sage.

Stay humble y’all.

Sincerely & Appreciatively Yours,

Jonah Chadwick Griego

I hope everyone got the scores they wanted. If not, keep up the good work and you will see results on the next test. My first official score was a 162 last November after 7 months of prep, and although that is an objectively good score I was disappointed. My PT scores were higher and I knew I had a lot of room for improvement. Made the difficult decision to delay to this upcoming cycle, and improved to 169 in June after a break and 4 more months of study.

Thrilled with the new score, I checked the section breakdown and was horrified by my RC performance. Worked hard on RC and continued practicing LG and LR every day until a few days before the July test. I participated in BR calls for the first time (thank you J.Y. for leading the RC calls), and grouped up with some very talented 7sagers to work through the June test.

I received a 173 on the July test, and am officially done with the LSAT! I have to attribute this last score jump to the 7sage community. In the 1.5 months leading up to the test, I was far more active on the forums and participated in study groups for the first time. This community of talented and caring people has changed my life forever. For the next month I will be finalizing my application materials, but I am still active on the forums and am available if anyone wants to talk about best practices for BR or LG foolproofing.

Hi. I got my July LSAT score back yesterday and I’m shocked by how low it is (149). I’ve been studying 15-20 hrs weekly since May and all the PT’s I took leading up to test day have been in the 158-164 range. I scored a 149 on a PT back in May and I distinctly remember that I was extremely distracted at the time. Does anyone have any advice??? I can’t believe my score is this low! I feel like I have a good grip on the material and the basics, so I’m wondering if something went wrong on test day (test anxiety or maybe filling in the scantron wrong). Please help me out!!

The main issue that I can't resolve right now is if I should take the September LSAT, and if it would even matter. It'll be my fourth one, my priors score are: 153/160/161, but these scores are from 2 years ago. Back then, I was studying for the LSAT about 5 hours/week for a few months (don't remember exactly), and I took around 15 PTs (25 if you count retakes). I was also using the LSAT trainer, and Blueprint.

After taking some time to work full time and advance my career, I decided to take the LSAT again, and started studying in early May of this year. I quit my job, and studied full time for the LSAT with 7sage. So far I've completed every single lesson, and a large portion of the drills, as well as taken 8 practice tests in the last month/month and a half. And so far, my score hasn't increased at all. For whatever reason (not blaming 7sage at all, their lessons have been great and easy to understand) my score hasn't gotten past the 158-162 range. This is with blind review and every other suggestion I've come across thus far (I've also taken some of Sami's tutoring lessons). Unfortunately, taking a different or later LSAT isn't really an option, I need my score before October for law school purposes.

So this makes me arrive at my final question, especially considering that the LSAT refund deadline is tomorrow - should I not take the September LSAT, and instead just use my score from two years ago?

It seems like it's a pretty narrow category , so think I might not qualify but I wanted to double check.

I'm mixed race (half middle eastern half white). I'm also a trans women and queer I know that isn't race and ethnicity.

I couldn't look at my LSAT score today. I have struggled so hard with this, that I couldn't bear to be disappointed again. As I write, I sit here with LSAT practice and books in among my work papers and files. I have been at this for what feels like forever. Granted, I did slow down a lot at times, but siting next to a pile of books and scratch paper and printouts has kind of been my life for the past year and a half or so.

Curiosity got the best of me, and I finally looked.

My score improved 9 points. That's just 1 short of my ultimate goal, and well within what I can work with for my target schools. I choked and then cried so hard, my dog came to check on me. When I called my husband, he thought someone had died! LOL This is 12 points higher than my very first diagnostic.

It's finally over. It feels like this day would never come, guys. But, I'm living proof that it does! :)

To those who didn't get what they wanted this time around: keep going. You can, and will, improve if you set your mind to it. I worked, I took very heavy semesters to finish school, I have a family, and while it didn't happen nearly as quickly as I wanted it to (or as fast as it does for a 20-something that has no bills or children), it still happened. Get back up, dust yourself off, and keep going.

A huge thank you to 7sage and the support and love I've gotten from the people here. I know for a fact that you were a key factor in this success, and that the 7sage program helped lay the foundation and provide the practice I needed to get here. The program and the tools you provided gave me the flexibility I needed to keep practicing and learning, even when I couldn't take full practice tests very often.

I am so overwhelmed right now with this score, and I think today, I'm just going to enjoy it before I figure out my next move.

I just want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH TO 7SAGE!!! This course was a life changer and the discussions have been incredibly helpful. I scored a 144 on my first prep test in 2018 and today I learned I received a 167 on my July LSAT.

For those of you studying please give it your all and you will see the results!!

I have been trying to sign up for the October LSAT since yesterday, but it's showing that no centers are available and I don't see an option to join the waitlist. Any thoughts?

The new digital test is gonna make it so much more difficult for me who likes to take notes or jot down notes for later answering questions... anyone feel me? any thoughts? how do you guys combat that??

I still don't understand why A is right and C is wrong. The conclusion reads, "it's obvious that the public headed the campaign", meaning they followed the campaign's advice and washed their hands more frequently or stopped going to public places, all because the rate of influenza went down at the time of the campaign. That's the conclusion and its support. Since this is a cause-effect relationship, I assumed that a correct strengthener would reaffirm that hand-washing or avoiding public spaces did indeed go up.

I got rid of everything except for A and C. I wasn't sure about A, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what's wrong with C. JY says in his explanation that, if anything, it weakens the argument by 'presenting an alternate cause', but I disagree with this. One aspect of the campaign was to reduce people's attendance in public places if they had the flu. If fewer gatherings occur during the 6 month period, that's clear evidence that people went out a bit less than they did before the campaign. Thus, it's likelier that they heeded the campaign (yea we can argue if that was really b/c of the campaign or whatever, but the point of a strengthen/weaken answer choice is have some kind of impact on the support/conclusion relationship, no matter how big or small). I feel the same way about A in that it shows people might have washed their hands more during the campaign. Nevertheless, I think both answers can plausibly strengthen the argument. Where have I gone wrong?

Thank you!!!!

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Hi everyone,

Let me just begin by saying that when I started the LSAT journey back in January, I would have never thought it would take me this long.

I am thinking of cancelling my registration for September as I have not been able to score higher than 155 on PTs and my target score is a 168. This score combined with my gpa would guarantee me a seat at my target score, and I know I am capable of reaching a 168 since all my blind review scores have been around low to mid170s, the real issue for me is timing. I am entering my 4th year of undergrad in September and I have been studying for the LSAT full-time with 7Sage this summer and I do not want my efforts in the past four months to go to waste especially since I understand the LR content really well. My biggest issue is RC as I consistently score between -13 to -15 and I know I need to be reading more to improve my score.

I don't know how I should approach studying while in school as I want to make sure my gpa is not negatively impacted and I would appreciate any advice. I do not mind delaying graduation as I won't be applying until the next cycle. The two alternatives that came to my mind are taking 2 courses in the first term and aim for the January 13th exam or else take 3 courses per term for the whole year and write the April exam, I would like to write it once by April 2020 as I have a free take from the July exam which I cancelled my score. Again, since I am not applying until September 2020, I want to take advantage of increasing my LSAT score as much as possible and I think if I would take a break throughout the year and comeback to LSAT next April I may not be able to attend my target school.

Also, if anyone else is starting their studies now to write the LSAT next year feel free to message me as I am looking for an accountability partner throughout the academic year.

I'm currently stuck at a 150. LR/ RC being my biggest issues. I'm taking the september exam and starting to get worried. My goal is a 155-157. Any Advice?

Hello all,

I've been using 7Sage since February of this year. My goal is to get a 160. I took the November '18 LSAT after having studied with a Kaplan book for 6 weeks and got a 144. Knowing how much work needed to be done, I registered for 7Sage Ultimate+ this year and really took my time with the CC, attempted to really become fluent in logic, did all the practice sets, foolproofed LG, etc. After finishing the CC and doing PT's since June, I managed to raise my average score to around a 155-159. I initially only planned to take the Sept '19 LSAT but decided to take July as well knowing that I could cancel if I didn't like the score. Well I got my score back yesterday and got a 143. Yes, one point LOWER than my November LSAT. I have no clue what happened.

The test-taking conditions were really bad. There were no left-handed desks and the desks were extremely small, which meant the tablet took up over half the desk space and made it very challenging to do logic games. I also spent a lot of time trying to make sure the tablet wouldn't fall off the desk because it was so small. Combined with test-taking anxiety, I knew that likely I would score lower than my average on PT's but I did not know it was still in my ability to score THAT low. Naturally I'm extremely discouraged, but I'm forcing myself to move forward and keep studying. I'm hoping doing a few PT's this week will restore some of my confidence back.

I'm just wondering if there is still hope to get a decent score for the September test. My last PT from a few days ago was 157. I was hoping to get a 160 for September, but at this point I would be happy getting anything between a 155-160. I'm planning to take 2-3 PT a week, with blind review and foolproofing in between test days. Any advice and/or encouraging words would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!!

Hello Everyone,

I have come to realize that I have test anxiety, and I was wondering if you guys could share with me your methods in order to stay calm. I also did extremely bad on the July LSAT and in part I blame my test anxiety. I have noticed my score has improved since taking 7Sage, but it is actually the whole "test day" scaries that gets to me.

Also, does the digital LSAT have a timer anywhere on the screen, or do they call out the time like they always do?

For people who took the July LSAT digitally:

I know LSAC says that scratch paper is allowed for the digital test, but exactly how much is provided?

Hey all. I'm currently applying to law schools and purchased CAS on LSAC. I received an academic summary report with a degree GPA and cumulative GPA. Which one do law schools look at and my main question is: which one do I include on my resume? They are drastically different so I don't really know what to do.

Thank you!

Hi guys!

So.. I have a slight conundrum. Applications are open now for one of my target schools, but doesn't open until September for the other school I want to apply at.

Should I apply now to the one that is open and then apply to the other later, OR should I just wait two weeks and apply to both at the same time?

My concern is that I want to possibly use the second to get the first to bump up if they don't offer a full ride. But I will be waiting on the second school for a while to do this. I do have a primary preference, but both schools are awesome.

Hey guys so i'm going to be a senior in college with a 3.85 gpa and I am seeking advice. I've been studying LSAT for around 8 months and its starting to really take a toll. I've made significant improvements from where I started and on my last 5 tests (61-65), I averaged around 170 but my RC score is so volatile and the worst section by far. In the last few months i've only been concentrating on RC and I feel like I am improving but at a very slow pace. My LG is -1 usually and LR is -3 to -6 total

I know if I go into the September exam, I probably won't be able to replicate anywhere near that score because of my RC problems. However I am confident that I can get a 163 or above which would be enough for me to secure UC Irvine and not lose a year. The other alternative would be to postpone the cycle, study more, and take the LSAT next year and shoot for UCLA/USC.

I'm also not looking to work in a big law firm nor any government job. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I've read that everyone wants T-14 because it guarantees them a big law job. So since I know I will not be working there, would it make sense to sink another year on lsat to go from UCI (rank 23) to USC/UCLA (rank 17,15)?

I've talked to some lawyers and they've told me that the school you go to is only important for your first or 2nd job after law school but then after that it all comes down to your work experience(if anyone knows otherwise, please let me know). I also do realize I would be limiting my scholarship opportunities by taking the test and applying this year.

This community has been so helpful to me so I'm hoping you all can advise me (sorry for the lengthy post)

I just got my score for July back and it was higher than I thought it would be given how hard the test felt (yay!). I got a 172. Originally I was planning using July as a practice, since this was my first actual test and I had only taken 3 PTs before it and I figured I could do better, so I registered for the September test before I even took the July test. Since my score was higher than expected I'm not so sure I actually should even take the September one. My post diagnostic PT scores have been 170/173/173/175 (this past weekend). Every BR I've done has been 179.

I am not striving to go to a T-14. I want to practice public interest law, there's a very high possibility I want to become Public Defender but I also want to learn more about immigration law, labor law, or some sort of progressive policy council. No part of me will EVER want any kind of corporate or non public interest law. The biggest thing I am looking for in schools I am applying to be able to go tuition free (ideally with living expenses covered as well) as I don't want to take on debt since I won't be able to pay it off with the kind of law I want to practice.

My undergrad was pass/fail so I don't have a GPA but it was a pretty good school. I have been in the workforce for almost 6 years doing working as a general manager of a business, a mid-higher level work for nonprofits, and I am about to start a job as a Union Field Representative.

My list of schools (with the 75th percentile score in parenthesis) I wanted to apply to initially are as follows:

NYU (172), CUNY (158), Seattle University (157), American University (160), Cardozo (162), University of Washington (165). I've also been considering Georgetown (168) and Columbia (167/172/174-this is the 25/50/75th percentile list).

My considerations over the decision are below:

If I decide to retake, I think there is a very reasonable chance I could score in the 174-177 range. Since July I have studied a lot and really shored up some of my weaknesses in logical reasoning. I'm assuming a higher number will make it easier for me to get a full ride. It's possible if I blew it out of the water I'd consider higher placed school, but since I'm doing Public Interest I don't really see the need to.

If I decide to withdraw and not retake, I free up the next month to focus on getting my application materials together (something I haven't done at all) and could likely apply earlier as a result (October instead of November). I've been told that applying earlier increases my chance for getting scholarships. I'm also starting a new job on Monday so I can devote more attention to adjusting to that. I also don't run the risk of somehow bombing a test and hurting my 172 average I currently have.

Given all of this, what do you all think I should do? Feel free to ask questions!! Thank you!

Does anyone have any advice on what kind of books/articles I could be reading to improve my overall reading comprehension, mental discipline, and ability to reason in general while I go through the core curriculum and start PTing. As a kid, I didn't read a lot so I would say I'm a bit of a slow reader and sometimes find myself reading twice to grasp what I just read. All advice is appreciated. Thanks!

Hi All,

I completed the LSAT in July and scored 163. I was scoring 169 on my PT's but dont want to go through more LSAT study. I am an older applicant planning on applying and hoping for scholarships. My understanding is that my score is good for 5 years. I want to start school in 2022, and am thinking I should apply not this cycle, but next. Would there be any reason to apply this cycle and defer? I feel like it shouldnt be counted against me if my LSAT score is a year old. Im also hoping some more online schools start up. I just saw that UNH with IP started up this year whcih is exciting. Online will be my best option and that limits me currently to syracuse and UNH. There is also SMU which is in town, but would be full time and I would have to figure out a work schedule around it.

Any advice, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated.