After that September test, I will be retaking lol. Looking for a study partner to go over PTs and bounce ideas from 7Sage, bibles, trainer/loophole etc. I’ve been mostly self studying so I think it’s time to flesh out some solutions. I could do in person, ny/nj area or online!

DM if interested.

I'm going through 7Sage's LR videos and I can't help but think these might be a huge waste of time. Video after video of going over questions and J.Y. saying "so what?" to all of the wrong answer choices barely clarifies anything for me. Going over questions doesn't provide me with any additional substance that I wouldn't get from practicing the questions on my own. I make more progress wrestling with the questions myself. I tend to believe that the only way to get better at LR questions is to do a ton of them and BR. If there's someplace I lack understanding, I can probably just go back and watch the video for whatever concept it is. I'm only up to weakening questions in LR, so I wanted to reach out to the community and ask if these LR videos get better or if there is anyone who has skipped the videos and had good results doing so.

Currently, I am averaging -3/-4 per section and I would like to get that down to -0 to -2 per section. I struggle most with Sufficient Assumption, Strengthen, Resolve the Paradox, Weaken, and Necessary Assumption type questions, but I think rather than a question type...it's more about level 4 or 5 difficulty questions. Recently, I've also been missing these questions in Blind Review so I'm not sure what's wrong or if I am overthinking them.

Also, I finish RIIGHT on time or guess on 1-2 questions. I know speed comes with improved skill, so any tips on how I can finish consistently with ~2 minutes left would really help!

How should I proceed? I don't really have much time left and I don't have time to order and go through the Loophole :(

I'm really glad that I've come a long way in LR because I used to miss around -8 to -10, but I really want to score the best I can!

I would really appreciate advice and tips on maximizing my improvements given a limited time frame!

Is there a possibility of getting our scores before 10/14? This was my first time taking the LSAT, I'm very apprehensive about my score I don't believe I did what I'm capable of.

Deciding how or what game board to draw is the most difficult part for me. Why?

I am trying to decide about canceling or keeping my Sept score and wanted to get some other opinions. I have two scores on file from June (158) and July (160). I had been consistently PTing in the mid 160s (164-167) before Sept and my goal score was a 164 since it's the median for my top school choices though I would be ok with any increase, even 1 point, after this test. LG crushed me (barely completed 2 of the games and guessed on most) and ruined my confidence going forward on the other sections so I don't have a clear memory of how I did on them (though I remember feeling relatively good about the LRs and most of the RC).

Is it worth taking the chance of a score decrease and keeping the score or better to cancel and go forward with applying to schools with the 160 even though it's below the median/most of my PTs? (My GPA is right at the median for most schools I'm looking at and I have some other aspects of my application that should give me a bit of a boost).

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Do those of you who took the test Saturday have some takeaways/advice on how things went, your experiences with the tablets, differences for those who prepared/PT'd using laptops/desktops, etc.? It'd be much appreciated. I'm likely sitting for it in October and am planning on probably preparing exclusively by PT'ing on my laptop. I haven't seen many complaints, so I'm guessing it went swimmingly for most aside from the LG section.

I've been working with 7sage for a few weeks now and i'm really enjoying the platform. I do feel like I'm not improving as quickly as I'd like to (although I havent taken a test since my diagnostic of 148 so this may just be my current feelings), and I'm not sure if thats because i'm not employing the best study methods/ my full focus or if I'm studying wrong. Those who have improved quite a bit from using this platform, how did you best utilize these resources? Sometimes I feel like I'm doing the problem sets just to go through the motions, and I want to sharpen my focus. I just want to make sure I'm using it the max right now in the beginning stages. Any advice would be great :)

Hi all, I need some help on deciding whether to cancel or not. I’m not sure what people mean when they said they “guessed on 10” - if it’s that they tried and made educated guesses or blindly picked B for all of them like I did.

I currently have a 162 (March 2019),165 (June 2019) and no cancellations on file. I got wrecked by this LG like everyone else, but I think I did pretty solid on all the other sections. But here’s the problem: I’m not sure if I ACTUALLY did well or if it just felt like it...I’m not also sure how bad I did on the logic games (if it’s -10 or -15 or if I’m lucky and get -7).

Worst case scenario, I think I’ll get a 160 and best case scenario I might squeeze 168. It’s crazy to expect a 168, but hey, like 3/5 of the answers for the last game of the June 2019 LG section were B’s so...it’s not entirely impossible right? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe I’m just traveling along the five stages of grief and am currently in denial that I just actually wrecked this exam. But the “what if” is just killing me. My goal is to get a 170 to have a fair chance at Cornell or UC Berkeley (I have a 3.81gpa).

Please help. I am in a-g-o-n-y.🥺

I'm starting my LSAT journey in a week after I finish the CPA. I originally had plans to take it 2 years ago, but I finished a masters and got my CPA instead. I have 3.5 months until I start full-time work, and I am planning on studying 40-60 hrs a week; I will be likely working 60-70 hrs a week, so I am going to try my best to crack out the LSAT in the 3.5 months, if that is even possible. Is this a realistic goal? If not, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get a 168+. For reference, I took the 2007 LSAT 2 years ago as a diagnostic and scored a 151 and 160 with the BR method. Does anyone have any tips regarding this process; I am aiming for 168+, and I will do whatever it takes.

Also, with the new digital LSAT, is there anything I should purchase/do to mimic the exam as best as possible.

I have to take the ATSA (air traffic controller skills assesment) pretty soon and one section is a timed 20 minute section VERY similar to LSAT logic games. You have to answer 18 questions in 20 minutes and are allowed NO PENCIL or PAPER the test is entirely on the computer. Before you enter the testing facility your pockets are emptied and you are immediately disqualified if you are found using any outside source to help on the test.

Everyone who took the test says this section was extremely difficult, anyone have any advice? I've been studying logic games for some time but spend a lot of time trying to remember all the rules during questions because I can't diagram.

HI there! :)

whenever you finish a problem set, do you watch ALL of the videos on the explanation of each question? Even the questions that you got right? I feel that there are some questions that I don't need to watch the explanations for but I do it because I don't want to jinx myself. Is it recommended that you watch all of the explanations on each question? or is it recommended that you watch the explanation video on only the questions that you got wrong? I'm asking because a simple problem choice marking session seems to be taking a long time and I wanted to know the best way to go about it...

Thank you for your inputs!

I'm reapplying for law school this year, and have heard some people say that I should update my LORs. Is it true?

Should I ask my professors to update their LOR from last year (or even just to resubmit using a new link so it's more "recent"?)

I have one new academic LOR, and have 2 LORs from last year, what do you guys think, does it matter to update LORs?

Has anyone taken their at home writing sample yet? If so how does it even work? do we just take it whenever and wherever or is there a strict protocol for it?

A bit of backstory. I took the July test and got a 165. Since I am aiming for T14 schools, I wanted (and expected) something a few points higher. I took the September test and fear that I absolutely bombed the LG section. Everything else was fine, but I guessed on at least half of the LG questions. Although I didn't leave anything blank.

Originally, I was planning on cancelling this September score and taking my chances with my 165 (and applying by the end of September). I have a very high GPA, so at least I have that going reverse splitter thing going for me. After reading some people's posts, however, I am wondering if I should wait to see if some kind of miracle happened, or if the curve is super generous (seems unlikely to me).

There would be very little harm in doing this if I knew FOR SURE that law schools (even the T10 and HYS) do not average your score. I feel like I still don't have a clear answer on this specifically. I was also wondering if it would look bad if I got a much lower score on my second test attempt, since I think admissions officials expect to see some improvement with multiple retakes.

So, long story short: cancel and resign myself to 165, or wait to apply on 10/14, hoping for a miracle?

Thanks for your thoughts.

I've been studying for the LSAT for about 3 weeks, mostly on logic games, probably put in about 80 hours so far. My very first look at any of these games, I went through a PT and got 19 or 20 right... but I did it without a time limit and spent 3 hours on the games.

After my practicing/studying, I've got it to where I'd guess I can go -1/-2 on the LG in a PT in about 60 minutes.

Obviously, 60 minutes doesn't cut it. Under real test conditions & timing, I'm looking at more like a -9 on the LG. I did have one PT where I got -5, but there was a lot of luck involved (I didn't have time for 6 or 7, and guessed A and got like 3 or 4 of these blind guesses correct).

Any thoughts on what's realistic to hope for in terms of improvement before the October test? I don't have time to foolproof hundreds (or even dozens) of games. It's been a while since a game stumped me, but I'm still not necessarily making the right calls on when to split & try to draw out tons of inferences vs when to forge ahead with what I've got and let it play out in the questions. And even when I do make the right call, I'm still probably taking 25% to 50% too long on everything.

I have a head for logic; on my last PT under test conditions I went -1 on RC and LR combined. But speed has just never been my thing.

Thanks.

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I had LR LG LR LR and RC in that order. The last two LRs were 26 questions and the first was 25 questions. Do you guys know which of these was the experimental ? I can’t remember specific questions for each of the sections but if you guys know maybe how many questions total the test was i can figure it out.

I saw powerscore predicted the curve at -12. What do you guys think?

After taking that LG section 2 and feeling defeated for the rest of the test, I’m hoping for -13/-14.

Hi all --

Like quite a few of you on here, I was just gutted by the lsat yesterday. I was PTing as high as 169, and hitting a consistent 167 in my last three PT's before the test.

The AR section totally destroyed me. I'm guessing maybe 10 correct, if I'm lucky 14. I've estimated my worst possible scenario (taking into account the predicted -12 curve) at a 157, and best case scenario at a 164. This is complicated by the fact that each time I got a high score on a PT (including the 169), I was convinced that I bombed it.

My biggest issue is that my target school, McGill, averages LSAT scores, and I've been specifically instructed to write once and "make it count." I'm also outrunning an awful GPA from over a decade ago, so I don't have much leverage.

As much as I'd like to hope that LSAC comes out with an unprecedented curve (e.g. -16 or something), I know that this is far from a belief I can rely on. I've been monitoring the forums carefully, and as I suspected, those who had not such a bad time on LG have started to come out of the woodworks and post about it. I simply can't deny the fact that if I were better prepared like they were, I would have made it through that section alive.

So my question is twofold:

(1) It seems like a lot of people are worried about this LG section -- but what are the chances, really, that the curve will reflect this difficulty? I have a hard time believing LSAC will make any special accommodations for us.

(2) I'm almost definitely looking at a cancel and a redo. So should I schedule for the November test? Or will that not be enough time to make a significant improvement? I feel like I could use some time off; I haven't taken a break from studying in over four months. I'm looking to apply next year by September.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

HI Guys!

All the test centers in my province are saying they're "unavailable" but I've booked a seat, how does this work? Will I get a seat, because I've already paid... I'm freaking out...

Hi All, I'm racking my brain right now with these SA questions, and I would greatly appreciate the community's help. While I can sort of diagram out the right answer, I don't exactly get why certain elements don't work.

For example:

If the support states that:

Don't Sleep -> Tired -> Prone to Mistakes

and the Conclusion is:

Don't sleep -> Fired

Why is the Sufficient Assumption: "Prone to Mistakes -> Fired" and not "Tired -> Fired"?

Hey 7Sagers,

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Curious your guys' opinions. I've just been going straight through the core curriculum. Anybody have tips for staying up on games and logical reasoning? I take a PT minimum once every other week. Should I be doing past core curriculum problem sets of LG and LR as well? Or should I be doing fresh problem sets from the question bank? Or neither, focus on Reading Comp., and keep taking my periodic PTs?

I had two sections of LG. THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY HARD! I had no mental power left after those two sections!!! How do you guys feel about those two sections??