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Just wondering if anyone has taken the LSAT at John Marshall Law School in Chicago, and how that experience was. I've read a lot of posts about different test settings and unexpected distractions, so I was hoping to get a sense of what testing at this location might be like. Thanks in advance!

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Since the LSAC says we have the option to cancel our scores after we see it, and also to retake it at a later date free of charge, I'm definitely leaning towards taking the July LSAT. However, I was wondering if those rules applied for those who get paper instead of digital on the actual exam day. The website doesn't differentiate at any point, but I was just curious if anyone knew for sure.

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Hi, I'm taking the March 30th test and have hit a plateau after finishing the core curriculum a few weeks ago. Before the core curriculum my diagnostic was a 156 which matched my real LSAT score of 157 from September 2018. I've been in the low to mid-160s since finishing the core curriculum, with little evidence of improvement. Ideally, I want to break 170, but scoring above 165 is my definite target. I'm looking for advice that anyone may have on making improvements in the home stretch. (I trust in the 7sage process and part of that process is in discussing on forum).

Here's some more details about my study regiment and performance:

I have stepped up on fool proofing for LG, been thoroughly blind reviewing tests in my lsat journal, spending time explaining each answer choice, and have been doing drills.

With three weeks out, I've noticed I have had no actual improvement with RC since the end of the curriculum (I get 5 or 6 wrong on each RC section before BR) and no actual improvement on LGs since I began 7sage in January (I almost always have 6 wrong before BR). My LRs, range more dramatically (even after blind review), getting 1 wrong on one section of one test and 7 on another. I feel as though the more thoroughly I blind review, the less confident and worse score I get on the following test.

36 Score: 164, BR: 166

37 Score: 164, BR: 170

38 Score: 166, BR: 174

39 Score: 162, BR: 170

I'm fairly happy with the improvement I've made, but am worried that my overall average of 163-4 would be reduced on test day to a 160 or below, leaving me basically where I was in September of 2018.

Any advice for me?

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Hi friends, just tried to search to see if there’s already an nyc study group for the tests after march.. with no luck (but also the search functionality is weird on my phone).

Would anyone be interested? Alternatively if there’s already something like that, can you let me know how to reach out to them?

Thanks!

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Hi, I'm retaking in March, and I really can't seem to get my RC below -4 or -5. I'm really shooting for -2. I know getting -2 on RC is a grind, but I have drilled constantly and it doesn't seem to be working. Is there anything that I can do/ any way I can think about the RC section differently that could help me get down to -2? I'm mainly getting Infer Author/Other Perspective Questions wrong. I would appreciate any help at all. Thank you!

What I've done so far:

Constant Drilling

Powerscore Method

Memory Method

LSAT Trainer Method

Should I BR every RC drill I do? Any crazy helpful tips any one has?

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Hi I have a 3.85 UGPA and a 149 LSAT. I was wondering if it would be worth it to apply now for schools or to do my retake in June. I want to go into politics, and after something that happened last night, realized I want to make changes in legislation as soon as possible. A little background: I am 23 years old, female, and have 3 associate degrees and BS in criminology and criminal justice. I recently graduated from ASU in 2018. I am a member of the Humane Party, a party dominated by the ideology of rights for animals. I want to help argue cases against animal cruelty, child abuse, and domestic violence. I moved my family from San Diego, CA to Phoenix, AZ in hopes of getting into ASU Law. I honestly want to attend ASU Law in the future, but not sure if I should try to get my career kicked off as soon as possible, and transfer to ASU. I would be forgoing the scholarships I might get with the retake (if it's over 164) but I would get my career started as soon as possible. With AOC, I think I'm too late to start doing things if I don't get started NOW. So, a little worried. But I would imagine I would go to Barry or Cooley with my stats, then transfer. I don't know what to do now...help?

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I got waitlisted at UChicago and NYU, but also got waitlisted at UCLA and USC Gould. I have a 167 and 3.89 GPA. I also waitlisted at some other schools in between the ones listed, and rejected by a couple. What does this mean?

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I barely read discussions on how people balance their time with their significant other and doing house chores while studying for the exam. Especially when you’re planning to study for 3+ months. My partner and I been together for 2+ years and for the past 1.5 months we’re both been studying for our exams (mcat/lsat) but we find it hard to coordinate and balance our time with each other/ cooking/cleaning/ shopping/ taking care of bills. Side note, I also work full time (8-5:30).

I was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to go about dividing tasks that will definitely not go away on their own. Especially cooking is a big issue for us.

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I am not understanding the key concept of "only if/only when/only where" and how they are not biconditionals. Can someone help?

take this sentence:

"Lagitha performs fifth only if Norton performs third."

from the rules, I understand the translation to be:

L=5--------->N=3

BUT i don't understand for the life of me why. They seem to be biconditional.

As in: "Lagitha can perform anytime she wants unless norton is third, and in that case, she must be 5th." Confirming the necessary in this case, actually confirms the sufficient.

It seems to me that the english sentence

"If Lagitha performs 5, norton performs 3" has an entirely different meaning.

I thought i could just muddle through not understanding this, but now "only if" comes up all over logic games. I have tried just memorizing the rule, but it would be so much better to actually understand it. I have gone over all the lessons from this group, and I still don't get it. I'd really appreciate any advice.

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Hey there! Hope everyone is doing well in their LSAT studies!

I stumbled upon a question that stated "otherwise" within the answer choices. (for reference: PT 63 Section 1 #21) J.Y. noted that otherwise means "or, and not both" which is a biconditional, however, I'm having trouble distinguishing this from "not otherwise"

If someone can kindly look over the two statements I have provided below, one with otherwise & the other with not otherwise.

Examples:

If a class involves science work, the class will be conducted in a laboratory; otherwise, it will be conducted in a normal room.

If a class involves science work, the class will be conducted in a laboratory or a normal room, but not otherwise.

Are these both the same in conditional logic? Laboratory (--) Normal room.

Also, would someone be able to provide an example that would likely be a rule on a logic game with those terms?

Thank you!

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I'm writing this post in the hope that it will help me remember to follow my own advice, and perhaps help others as well in the process.

Here's my Foolproofing tip (mostly geared at people relatively new to Foolproofing):

  • SLOWER IS FASTER. Since one of the goals of foolproofing a game is solving the game within the target time, it's very tempting to think you need to rush things and that you will solve the game fastest by actively trying to go fast. Surprisingly, I find that when I give myself all the time I need, THAT is when I end up finishing the game within time. It's weird, because after completing the game I actually think that I went overtime, and lo and behold it's my record fastest time.

    • I think this works for two reasons: 1. A calm mind works WAY better. So even though you may be going slower (less thoughts, not scribbling frantically) you're actually being much more efficient and deliberate. 2. Even if you don't complete the game within the target time this time around, by going slower you are giving yourself a chance to really understand and remember the inferences (it's much easier to remember things you understand, vs. rote memorization) thus giving you the best chance to solve the game quickly on the next go around.

    P.S. In addition, I think this principle applies to LSAT studying in general. It's often very tempting to think that we can make ourselves cover more ground, understand things quicker, complete more prep-tests etc., through rushing. Unfortunately, the anxiety that comes with rushing deeply diminishes one's ability to focus and learn efficiently.

    In conclusion: Anxiety while studying or around studying is NOT a necessary component for LSAT success, and is possibly a sufficient condition for failure in certain cases.

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    Hello All!

    I've been a 7sager for nearly 2 years now. I planned to sit for Nov 2018 but due to some unforeseeable life occurrences, have had to adjust my timeline. Since I have been at this for so long, I decided that I needed a well deserved break from all things LSAT but now I am back and feeling refreshed and ready! Only thing is, I'm questioning how I should be adjusting my studying approach to fit the new digital format so I am asking you all to suggest all of your best tips/tricks/forum threads to help me get back in the groove and prep for the digital format!

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    Hello!

    I was looking for some insight as to what I am doing wrong. I have read all of the Bible books and perform very well with respect to time and accuracy. Yet whenever I do an exam, I have trouble maintaining that same performance. It struggle with improving my score but I continuously do well on all of my practice. Do you have any suggestions as to what I can do? I am aware that the time constraints are a factor but it doesn’t make sense as to why I perform well even when I do timed sections but still bomb my practice tests.

    I look forward to hearing from you all!

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    Currently deciding between these two and could use advice. Right now it's full price at both so not an option about negotiating scholarship. Would like to practice big law after grad. Which one has better name recognition/national reach?

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    I'm reaching out to you all and hoping I can save anyone from falling into the trap that I fell into: using Khan Academy (because its free) and not reviewing every question that I wasn't 100% certain I knew the answer. The lessons J.Y. talks about in the beginning is correct with NOT falling into the pitfall of taking practice tests just to see your score. He is 100% correct as it happened to me so please learn from my lesson. I started using the Khan academy and I had a very good study schedule and planned everything out. I wrote out a 300 hour schedule from November 1st until January 26th (LSAT test day). I googled how many hours needed and I started with that. I also used the free book that LSAC gives you. A little of my background: I'm 29 years old, BAS in Business Management 3.89 GPA cumulative University of Florida Graduated in December 2018. I have 10 years experience working in Accounting and management etc... And this review/advice is 100% unbiased I'm just trying to help anyone and excited using the 7sage so far (1 week in).

    While studying here is what happened to me: I started out with a an LSAT practice test to see where I was at day 1 it was 142. I took off 3 months from work and studied 40 hours a week, and logged exactly 300 hours studying with Khan academy and the LSAC book. My tests progressed a few points here and there after 30 days my score jumped to 148. But it fluctuated back to 142, even 138 on 1 test. I did full length timed prep tests about 15 of them My highest practice score was 148. On the test day January 26th, 2019 everything was great. I felt great mentally and physically, my confidence was hi. The test center was great (U of Arizona Tucson) very organized, 0 interruptions or annoyances. Everything was perfect, I had the timing down and was thinking I'm probably going to hit 155 because of the pressure in testing environments I have a stronger focus then at home, I figured that would increase my efforts and get me a few more answers.

    Then...2/15/2019 test scores released my score: 142 (original pre score 142). So thats 300 hours studying only to get the routine down, and used to timing etc... the rigorously 4 hour test day stamina down and I made little to no improvement. My practicing with Khan only made me calm on test day because of the preparation. I made absolutely zero intellectual gain and understanding of anything really.

    Solution: Use 7sage, use the blind review method. Its honestly that simple. Here is what happened after 1 week only 30 hours studying with 7sage using J.Y. methods I got through the studying up until the 1st optional LSAT practice test. I took the test this morning and under timed conditions and scored 154, and with the blind review I scored 158. Don't just practice material as I did for 300 hours it gets you nothing. Your just spinning your wheels and not improving, just practicing over and over the same mistakes. You must break down each question with the blind review method please.

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    Hi, @Trusttheprocess and I look for study buddies focusing on CC. We plan to put at least 15 h per week. We both finished CC not long time before, but right now we start over one more for better understanding. I believe it is important to DO IT RIGHT at the beginning. We can study together, share study tips, do drills and so on. If you are interested or in the CC phase, let us know!

    https://discord.gg/ReAk2c4

    Here's the Discord Group Link. Come and Join us!

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    Leading up to the July 2018 LSAT I had not used 7Sage (aside from the free LG videos) and I was averaging around 170 on my PTs, with the last five or so PTs I took averaging around 174. My LG section would usually be -0/-1, LR would be -0 to -2 a section, and RC was really a variable, ranging from -1 to -6, usually getting -3 or -4.

    Ultimately, I scored a 167 on test day. That test was not disclosed, but I know my pacing was off for the first time in a while on the first LR section which made me nervous throughout the rest of the test. So ultimately, I simply didn't perform well when it counted.

    I haven't touched LSAT materials since then, and want to start restudying now to take the June 2019 LSAT. I'm not sure the best way to go about prepping as I have already done all the recent PTs (up through PT83) so I only have three fresh, recent PTs left. So I just bought the 7Sage Ultimate+ package as I thought having the access to the "hard" drill questions would be beneficial, but I don't really have time to watch all or even most of the CC. Are there specific lessons within the CC that are particularly valuable?

    I'm currently planning to take a PT or two during the week (2 sections a night) and a full PT on Saturdays, with some review and drilling on Sundays. But I am eager to hear if some of you in the 7Sage community have advice as to how I should proceed since this is not the typical LSAT Retake scenario where one takes the exam very soon after their initial take and I'm not sure what's best.

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    Can someone please tag me or send me the link for the post that has the RC session that JY is hosting in NYC? I can't find it even with doing a search.

    Thanks.

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    Hi all,

    I’ve taken the LSAT twice now - once in Sept. 2018 and again in Nov. 2018 - and both times my experimental section was LG. In each of the experimental LG were games containing multiple (or even exclusively, in one game) rules that combined sequencing rules (such as A — B or [AB]) with conditionals packed into them.

    For example: (A — B ) —> (C — D)

    For whatever reason, I found that having multiple rules in a single game like that to be very difficult to conceptualize and make quick inferences. I’m worried that I may run into one for March or June given they’ve been on separate experimental sections twice now. While I’m fairly experienced in LG, I haven’t taken every section out there. Would any of you happen to know if there are games with rules like this and which PTs they’re on? I’m having trouble off the top of my head. Thanks so much for any help!

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