For PT 7 S1 Q 16 I don’t see how if more mass equals more light that if the comet is 60 times smaller how the previous estimates would be too small? that’s less mass, so how would answer choice B make any sense if it’s saying the exact opposite? I’m convinced the LSAT writers messed this question up. I’ve looked at this over and over and can’t possibly see how B could ever possibly be right.

hey all,

so i'm having a real tough time bridging this gap btw my BR score and timed score. i'm BRing 175ish (granted, I BR/review every question but pay the most attention/effort to the questions I circle) but my timed score is in the low 160s.

One trouble I have in particular is executing timed LR sections.

For LR, it often happens that questions don't "click" under timed conditions. For example, in one timed LR section I did today, I skipped a SA question because I couldn't find the gap/didn't know how to map out the logic of the question due to the convoluted grammar.

I skipped it, and even when I went back to it, I still couldn't get it.

Then after I finished the test, I went back to the question for BR, and after thinking about that question for like 4 minutes, I finally saw the gap and successfully map out the logic.

agh so frustrating that i wasn't able to do this under timed conditions.

any advice or suggestions? many thanks.

While I'm a bit disappointed in my score as it's lower than my recent PT average, I'm grateful for all the support communities like 7sage, TLS, and Reddit provide to those who are just mediocre or below average. Sure, if your diagnostic is in 150-160 range it's relatively easier to hit 170+ than someone like myself. You may get discouraged over and over again feeling like you've hit a plateau or you're not smart enough. Trust me, my first real LSAT score was a 147 and that was after a year of studying. This post is for those that feel like they're losers. Failure is a better teacher than success will ever be!

Also, just want to give a big shout out to my tutors @Sami and @"Cant Get Right". Not sure if you guys use 7sage anymore or remember me since I stopped tutoring 6 months back but both of your approaches/strategies are the reason I was able to even hit 170. Josh with his tiered time management approach and Sami for teaching me how to read for reasoning structure. And yes, I actually tried on the diagnostic but still ended up with a 120 lol.

Thank you! Keep moving forward!

Just wondering why the PTs included here only have 4 sections and what the general consensus is over practicing with 4 or 5 sections. My concern is that the last section could very well be a "real" section. So if I'm only practicing with 4, this runs me the risk of getting burnt out.

I took the July test and scored a 166, which was my average. My goal for the LSAT is 168 or 169. I am signed up for the September test, but given that the test is only a few weeks away, I wonder if I should post-pone my retake until November. I am not sure that I will be able to meaningfully increase my score by either of those test dates, so I wonder if I might as well take September and apply as early as possible?

Second, I have still not mastered LG. I would say I usually get between -6 and -3. Sometimes I get -1 but most of the time something goes wrong. I think it is a combination of bad habits -- rushing in to the diagram or questions, or writing a rule incorrectly by accident -- but other times I simply make inferences too slowly.

There is no particular type of game that gives me trouble. I have been fool proofing games for 8 months or so and "feel" like I should be strong on the games by now, but that is not the case! I have been making a concerted effort lately to work on my habits (i.e., reread my rules to double check for errors). Still though, I am at a standstill. I feel very stuck and am not sure how to improve.

Any advice on either of these topics would be very much appreciated :) Thank you all

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158 to a 168! Super stoked. Owe it entirely to JY’s videos and the 7sage community.

Although I haven't done every single PT since 52, I have to say that Roman/U.S, Canadian law passage on blackmail from PT 65 is the most difficult to parse. Actually I take that back. The passages themselves aren't too terrible but about half of the questions are just impossible to get right even atmy second/third attempts. Which one is the most difficult one for you???

Also, I'm not sure if she was referring to the very same passages but I definitely recall in one of her webinars, Nicole challenged listeners to come up to her with more difficult dual passages than certain dual passages from one single PT. I'm wondering if that was PT 65.

Hello!

I am about 90% done with my CC. I took the July LSAT and had only studied for 10 weeks prior. I scored a 144. My diagnostic was a 139.I feel gutted. I have hit 153-154 at least 3 times each. (Target school has a median of 155) I guess the main problem I had was 1. I did not take FULL practice tests like back to back sections. I would take a two timed sections, then have a 5-10 min break and do the other so the exam just felt LONG and I was TIRED by the third section 2. I rushed through my CC and really need to understand conditional logic more. 3. I did NOT have my games down.

I guess i'm just worried I won't do much better when I retake November. I know a lot of members here have had higher diagnostics than my LSAT score so I am feeling really discouraged although I know where I messed up completely. Lack of studying and blind review. Has anyone else experienced a terrible first exam score but able to pull a 18 point improvement?

I am retaking in November.

What's the best way to research law schools? I'm off to a little bit of a late start in the application process, but I have a group of 3-5 schools I am for sure applying to. However, I want to be sure I'm not leaving out a school that would be a great fit for me. Please help!

I'm looking for an excel document that outlines LG Fool Proofing with the following pattern type: full LG section from PT 1 today, revisit tomorrow, revisit next week; full LG section from PT 2 today, revisit tomorrow, revisit next week; repeat. The excel document I am using now doesn't help me clearly organize the PT's that I'm doing for the day. Any old excel docs folks used for fool proofing games would be greatly appreciated too!

Does anyone have any tips for attacking rule substitution questions on logic games without fully sketching out the implications of each new rule? That method works, but I simply don't have the time for it so I usually end up skipping those questions. It seems to me like there might be some sort of structure/trick to it (i.e. in a sequencing game, these types of substitutions are most common etc.), but I haven't been able to wrap my head around it.

What's worked for you? What hasn't worked for you?

Thanks!

I'm writing in September and was struggling to get PT scores that I was happy with. I was consistently getting in the mid 160's on my PT's but my BR would always be above 170. I was missing most of my points from LR and RC. I skipped PT 50-59 so I could use the LR drills and they made the world of difference. On top of drilling at least one LG section every day of the week, I've been doing 4-6 LR drills a week on days that I don't take PT's (I do 3 PT's a week). Now I'm getting in the 170's. To other people in the same boat, I would say focus on keeping your LG above -2 and try to scoop as many of the LR points up as you can. I usually go -3 to -8 in RC, so I'm still trying to stabilize that and get it down by a few points, but by far the easiest points to rake up are the LG and LR.

Another big thing for me is the mental game. I've picked up guided meditation every morning using the app Headspace and regularly practice breathing and body awareness exercises throughout the day. They help me block distracting thoughts and focus on the task at hand. Taking 30 second breathing breaks during a section is really helpful for me if I start to feel overwhelmed/rushed. Before I write a PT, I sit at my desk and do nothing from 8:30-9 (check in for me is 8:30 and reports of my test center say the test doesn't usually start until at least half an hour after that). During that time I try to make myself feel as anxious/nervous as possible, and then spend the last 10 minutes mediating it away. Picking up a habit before writing the tests can be a really good thing. Something that you can do before writing each PT to get you in the right mood. I do the meditation thing. A good friend of mine who got into the 170's last year would go for a walk around the block every time before writing. Just a quick thing you can do to remind your brain that an LSAT is coming up and it's time to get serious. Almost like Pavlovian training for your head.

Anyway, hope that helps! Keep grinding and putting in the time. Anyone can succeed.

Hey, guys, I just found out my results from the July LSAT, and wouldn't you know? I am back once again on this journey called the LSAT. I was PTing in the low 160s, and shit hit the fan with the first LG section (usually score -2) and it dropped to a 153 (I am sure with help of the residual shock that hurt the next section). Anyways, hoping to see if anyone can point me in the right direction. Was averaging -15 LR; -8 RC; -2 LG, so if any has an idea of how I can analyze this trend, feel free to comment. Thinking of running through the CC on weaker question types, drill, and start PTing again in mid to late SEP. Thanks, and lets crush it!

Hi all I recently modified my schedule so that I'm waking up at 4 am. I did this so I can study before work. In the spirit of keeping things consistent, I want to wake up at 4 am on the day of the test!

I want to start practicing my test day routine on the weekends. Please let me know what you think of my schedule and if you would add/take out anything! My main goal is to remain confident and calm throughout the test.

Breakfast: 2 sunnyside up eggs

Morning snack: PB&J sandwich

15 min break during the test snack: apple with peanut butter + Cheese + 1/2 PB&J sandwich

4 am Wake up, bfast

4:30 am Meditate

5 am 30 minutes of yoga, followed by a hot shower

6 am commute to test & warm up (1 game, 1 passage, and 2 pages of LR)

7 am Meditate & check in for test

How early should I get to the test center for the 8 am test to check in?

Do you guys have any easyish yoga routines/youtube channels that you follow?

Do you have better ideas for the 15 min break snack?

Hey ya'll,

With my July score in the books I'm paying a lot more attention to my school app list. I recall stumbling upon a really helpful site at some point which compiled law student feedback on various topics for their respective schools e.g. Georgetown students describing the collaborative vibe amongst the (generally) older student body and the lack of "gunners".

If you know the site I'm referring to or have another resource which you have found helpful (besides the standard numbers sites like LSN, MyLSN, etc) please do share.

Thanks!

Hi guys, sorry for another chancing post! Just got a 170 on my July LSAT, which is slightly lower than my PT average of around 171 (range was around 168-175, with the last two PTs being 173/174). I am a non-URM female with a 4.0 GPA at a top 10 undergrad and pretty generic extracurriculars, nothing stellar. I did some research and people generally thought that these stats would very unlikely get you into T3, but I also personally know someone who got HLS with similar stats (non-URM) - should I see that as an outlier? Does my undergrad give me a subtle advantage in any way?

I am really leaning towards retaking in September because my goal is T3, but I'd still like to hear what you all think. On the one hand, the July test wasn't exactly my best performance (couldn't finish a section, room was loud etc.), and I think I still have some room for improvement in LG. On the other, I've prepped for more or less half a year, did >30 PTs, and it's possible that I reached my limit and even risk scoring lower in September, which would be catastrophic.

Lastly, what are my chances for Columbia at this point? Both RD and ED (if they are any different)

Thank you in advance!!

Hi 7sagers,

I need some honest advice from ya'll. I just received my lsat score and received a 149. Although this is really low, I did jump 6 points from my previous score that I took the second time around. The first test I took I cancelled. I was hoping to make it into the 150 range however; since I didn't I'm wondering if it would be worth taking one final time? I do have a full time job which is very emotionally taxing making it difficult to study and make more major improvements to my score but I just don't feel comfortable applying to law school with this score. I plan to write an addendum explaining why my score was so low ( job, anxiety, etc) but I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts about 4 takes. I've don't a lot of reading on it and some people seem to encourage it if the applicant feels they can improve significantly and other strongly advise against it. I am a URM with a strong professional background and average GPA but I cant seem to get over the 149. Is anyone else taking it for the forth time or has anyone decided to just accept their third score and apply with that?

So today July Lsats came out and I hope everyone has met their expectations! Everyone on this site works their butts off, y'all deserve the best

I scored well below my average PT scores,from 163 average down to 155. I'm hoping it was first time nerves that got to me (the first LR section freaked me out). But this result has got me wondering, should I take the septemeber or novemeber Lsat?

I havnt really been practicing since the July exam, and I am registered for the Septemeber exam. Im more than willing to buckle down for the next 4 weeks. However Ive also been considering taking the exam in novemeber?

My target score is the high 160s, and Im not sure what a realistic expectation for achieving that score is at this point. Would taking both exams be a bad idea?

I have a 3.32 gpa and 155 lsat. I have a 3.96 degree gpa. Do I have good chances at getting into Seton Hall with early decision? What are your guys thoughts? Or should I just apply regular?

HI all,

Every single video in prep test 65 is not working nor is the explanation :(

I tried on both my mac and phone . Please help =[ !

Thank you guys for waiting! All video explanations for PrepTest 84 (June 2018 LSAT) are now available!

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If you have the Ultimate+ course, the explanations have been automatically added to your account: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat-explanations/ or https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/preptest-84-video-explanations-for-all-questions/

If you'd like to pick up PT84 and its explanations, you can pick it up here:

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Do you guys first grade your PT just to see the score in analytics without seeing the correct answers, and then blind review, or do you guys take the PT, blind review and then put it all into analytics?

I've always done it the second way. But I'm wondering if anyone prefers to do it the first way?

I feel like the answer is yes but I wanted a sounding board....I received a 166 just now, my PT range was 167-173. My GPA is 3.75 from a top 10 university undergrad and I have been working in public policy in DC for 2.5 years. I want to go to Berkeley or NYU. I think I can get to at least a 169 the circle game really screwed me last month. HOWEVER I have been doing 0 studying the last 3 weeks and I'm not feeling all that jazzed or motivated about gearing up for September (I am registered). Do I just suck it up and retake? Thanks...!!

7Sagers,

On Thursday, August 16, at 9 p.m. ET, I’ll host a webinar with Jay Austin, UCI Law’s assistant dean for admissions. I’ll begin by asking Dean Austin some general questions about admissions and financial aid, and then we’ll open it up to your questions. This is a great opportunity to get advice and learn from someone who’s making decisions at a top law school!

:warning: You’ll have to register for this webinar in advance.

→ Please register for the webinar (August 9, 2018 @ 9:00 p.m. ET) here: https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_0NCX1ukkTLuZ9H_O6h8Vnw

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

Zoom might prompt you to download something before you can join the webinar, so I’d advise you to show up a bit early on Thursday.

I hope to see you there!